Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
putin is the ultimate strongman politician and maga wants that security. trump knew it and he did and continues to do everything in his power to capitalize on its strengths.

anyway.

one of the reasons why the hamas / israel situation is so fucking bonkers is it obliterates the narrative that america's billions somehow were enough to insulate israel from the blowback of maintaining a whole ass apartheid state.

its impossible to ignore the timing.

america is going to back an oppressive regime and in doing so, its going to call into question the validity of its position on ukraine.

at a time when maga republicans just crippled one of the core legislative bodies in the american government.

the saudis get to walk away from israel, iran gets to turn israel and the US into pariahs, and russia gets to fracture the western support for its land grab in ukraine, which gives it beach front access to repatriating half a dozen other breakaway nations, and the dumbest people in america get to blame it all on 'the libs'.

There are 9 million Israeli citizens. 2 million of them are arab with 1.5 million being palestinian. Don't sound much like apartheid to me.

The Saudi's get to walk away from Israel? Where did you get that one? The Saudi Prince was on Fox News just a few weeks ago saying they and the Israeli's are "getting closer every day."

The Saudi's and Iranians have been fighting proxy wars for 50 years. It's heated up in the last several years. They are enemies. Iranian proxy's have recently attacked Saudi oil storage facilities. The Saudi's, and the other Arab countries, need Israel.
I'm not sure where you got those numbers, but this is the most up to date estimate from our state department:

"The U.S. government estimates the total Palestinian population at 3 million in the West Bank and 2 million in the Gaza Strip (midyear 2022)."

The 1.6 million you are referring to are the older estimates of Palestinians that are Israeli citizens that live in Israel outside of those areas. This population is estimated now to be around 2 million. The combined estimates are over 7.5 million, meaning Palestinians are actually the ethnic majority in what is known as Israel.

Israel is essentially put in a no win situation long term. Flattening Gaza is obviously not the right move, but I'm not sure what else they are supposed to do without risking countless soldiers in an urban warfare setting if they don't flatten it. By the end of day one our media was blaming this on Iran. This is 15 straight years of a Zionist push to invading Persia. There are a lot of dominoes that could fall this time leading to it actually happening. All we need is Netanyahu to pull a Bush/Iraq scenario and here we go.