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I suspect Ukraine hasn’t been a particular focus for you.

There isn’t a “Russia is great faction” of the GOP. Granted there is a lotta crazy GOP but what you describe isn’t a real thing tbf.

There is an appreciation of the unfortunate foreign policy that prompted them to act as they did. Let’s call it empathy or the ability to read your opponent.

F-16 sorties into Russian territory is not likely to have positive results. Just a wild guess.
I’ve been openly against intervention there since page 1 because I find both countries shit. That said, if you don’t have pro-Russia Putin-loving MAGA people in your world, consider yourself to have made a wise geographic choice on where to live because I have hundreds around me to spare. Everyone here MAGA views Russia as some idyllic 50s Americana attending church and pure of heart.
Lay off the LSD. MAGA's don't support Putin or Russia. Our beef is with American foreign policy....which is to pretty much bully the world. Foreign policy should be fair. Repeat, fair. Repeat, fair.

Would we tolerate Russia or China putting a million troops in Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela? Calling it RCTO (Russia China Treaty Organization). No, we wouldn't tolerate that one iota.

But we think nothing of expanding NATO a thousand miles east and building a million man Ukrainian army on Russia's border. What for?

Americans are fed bullshit by the government and media. 30 years ago the Russians had a 5 million man standing military. They left East Germany, pulling out 400K troops in the process. They pulled out of the rest of eastern Europe.

NATO expanded incrementally eastward to the Russian border. Meanwhile, Russia let it's military dwindle down to just 200K troops. While their military was dwindling all us mushrooms in the US were kept in the dark and fed bullshit. "The Russian menace!!! The Russian menace!!! They want to take Europe!!"

If they want to take Europe then why the fuck did they leave in the first place? And why did they let their military dwindle down?

We kept poking the Russian bear with the incremental expansion of NATO. Then we poked the Russian bear some more by building a million man military in Ukraine.

WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK THE RUSSIANS WERE GOING TO DO? NOTHING?

It doesn't have anything to do with liking Putin and the Russians. It's all about fair foreign policy. The Ukraine War is our fault because we are hegemonists devoid of a FAIR FOREIGN POLICY. The United States believes that Russia has no right to any security at all.