Best ways to Seven Stars, Diamond, or "Diamond in a Day" for Caesars properties around the US

[mickeycrimm]

To snap that blue 70 off the expectation was to make 2000 spins average. At $2.50 per spin the expectation was to generate 1000 points.

But I sucked out of this play way early. I hit the 3X on the wheel in just 4 attempts when the expectation is 16.

I had started on other games with just a $100 ticket. Built it up to $350 then sat down on the BD. I was down to $202 when I hit it. But the expectation on this play is to go 1K into the machine. So I got outhouse lucky. I hit it at 74 free games and it built to 99 during the free games.

[mickeycrimm]

So I won $1050 on this BD play and had a $250 win on the other machines for a $1300 win total.

I had put 235 points total on the card, just an $1175 wager. Nothing else to play at that point, the machines needed some time to build new plays from the ploppies.

I went to the player's club kiosk to make sure my information was current and to see if there were any promotions. Found one promotion. I punched it up and was awarded a 5X multiplier for the day.

So I generated 1175 tier credits in about an hour's time. If I wanted to I could have hung around the joint to catch other plays as they developed. But I had other things to do.

Per the Caesar's Slot Finder online the Buffalo Diamonds are in about half their casinos.

It's stuff like this one should be generating points on instead of the losing video poker. You can literally show a profit while building to Diamond and 7 Stars.

I'll go over the playable numbers per the bet levels in future posts as I get the time.

PS: The expectation on the BD play was to put 1000 points on the card which would have multiplied to 5000. But I sucked out early so I'll take the win in lieu of the points.

[Jayjami]

Looked around a little more. There are a few 9/6 games on the Harrah’s main floor, northeast section. Even found a $1 Triple Play!



Also one at Harvey’s, but it’s a 10 play:

[Jayjami]

Oops! Both of those machines has a 5 unit payout for 2 pair! No bueno!

[Dan Druff]

Oops! Both of those machines has a 5 unit payout for 2 pair! No bueno!

Makes more sense now. Usually these reports I get aren't incorrect.

So it looks like Tahoe really is dead for VP.

[mickeycrimm]

While visiting this Caesars property I forgot to go to the Rewards booth and use my Wyndam status to get the diamond card.

But I also discovered another way one can get Diamond. That's thru competitor slot clubs. I currently belong to maybe 50 slots clubs.

As an example, I have a myChoice Preferred Card which will get me Diamond status with Caesars.

Caesars has analyzed all the slot clubs out there and know what level of gambler you are by your card status/levels in the other casinos.

This makes me think that it's possible one could work advantage plays in other casinos to get the card status Caesars is looking for. Here's a link to see what card levels from non Caesars casinos that qualify you for Diamond. Scroll down to Caesar's Diamond thru 2023:

https://www.bougiemiles.com/caesars-status-match/

At the very least you might be able to find a better game than 9/6 Jacks in the other casinos to get to Diamond level.

[Dan Druff]

While visiting this Caesars property I forgot to go to the Rewards booth and use my Wyndam status to get the diamond card.

But I also discovered another way one can get Diamond. That's thru competitor slot clubs. I currently belong to maybe 50 slots clubs.

As an example, I have a myChoice Preferred Card which will get me Diamond status with Caesars.

Caesars has analyzed all the slot clubs out there and know what level of gambler you are by your card status/levels in the other casinos.

This makes me think that it's possible one could work advantage plays in other casinos to get the card status Caesars is looking for. Here's a link to see what card levels from non Caesars casinos that qualify you for Diamond. Scroll down to Caesar's Diamond thru 2023:

https://www.bougiemiles.com/caesars-status-match/

At the very least you might be able to find a better game than 9/6 Jacks in the other casinos to get to Diamond level.

You can't get the Diamond card by visiting the Caesars Rewards desk. This is done by a back office. Wyndham sends them a list of eligible people, and they are auto-upgraded.

If you got your Wyndham Diamond through any kind of status match, you are not eligible to match it back with Caesars. However, if you got your Wyndham Diamond through a credit card or by staying at Wyndham hotels, you can match it. See instructions on page 1.

[FRANKRIZZO]

Druff, you could have had 40k for a mere 300

[tigerpiper]

update the Wyndam Rewards Earner Business card from Barclays worked again to match me to Diamond status.

Took about a month from online matching on Caesars website but it worked. You get the $100 dinner for Diamond which offsets to credit card annual fee of $100 or so.

I guess you have to have a business but I use the card maybe once a year. Also, you can transfer all your Wyndham points to Caesars with no penalty (that I can tell), so that got me another $400 or so in comps.

[tigerpiper]

If Wyndham had any decent hotels that would be a bonus but I dont think they do.

[Dan Druff]

update the Wyndam Rewards Earner Business card from Barclays worked again to match me to Diamond status.

Took about a month from online matching on Caesars website but it worked. You get the $100 dinner for Diamond which offsets to credit card annual fee of $100 or so.

I guess you have to have a business but I use the card maybe once a year. Also, you can transfer all your Wyndham points to Caesars with no penalty (that I can tell), so that got me another $400 or so in comps.

Correct, but you can speed them up. The slowness is on Wyndham's end. The problem is you get Philippines customer service, which is useless. You need to call Wyndham's VIP line, ask them for a supervisor in the US, and occasionally they can find you one. Once you get that, they can speed up the status match. But you can't do it before February 1.

And while Wyndham was once a good/decent brand, it is indeed shit now. They let a lot of total trash motels stamp the Wyndham name on it, and they don't do anything for you if you have a bad experience there.

Back in the day, people would stay at Wydham Commerce during the LAPC, because the Commerce hotel would fill up.

[carnitastaco]

Oops! Both of those machines has a 5 unit payout for 2 pair! No bueno!

Makes more sense now. Usually these reports I get aren't incorrect.

So it looks like Tahoe really is dead for VP.

Those are double double bonus payout tables, not JoB. The picture Jayjami posted on 1/16 appears to show some very legit 9/6 JoB options, is there any indication that those have been removed since? vpfree2 doesn't list them- I'd like to go play them if they exist during a 5x multiplier harrahs is running next month.

[Dan Druff]

Makes more sense now. Usually these reports I get aren't incorrect.

So it looks like Tahoe really is dead for VP.

Those are double double bonus payout tables, not JoB. The picture Jayjami posted on 1/16 appears to show some very legit 9/6 JoB options, is there any indication that those have been removed since? vpfree2 doesn't list them- I'd like to go play them if they exist during a 5x multiplier harrahs is running next month.

Someone told me he played 9-6 JoB in December. Jayjami's pics are from January.

So there might be 9-6 still in Tahoe. Look for the Five Star machines Jayjami posted back in January.

[Jayjami]

Those are double double bonus payout tables, not JoB. The picture Jayjami posted on 1/16 appears to show some very legit 9/6 JoB options, is there any indication that those have been removed since? vpfree2 doesn't list them- I'd like to go play them if they exist during a 5x multiplier harrahs is running next month.

Someone told me he played 9-6 JoB in December. Jayjami's pics are from January.

So there might be 9-6 still in Tahoe. Look for the Five Star machines Jayjami posted back in January.

Haven’t really played video poker much lately. I haven’t even played real poker this winter. All they have is 2/3 NLH, and I’m just not interested. Now if they had some limit games, maybe.
I’m going out of town, but will check when I get back.

[skyjo]

Horseshoe Council Bluffs is offering 10x rewards if you swipe before 10am. Does that mean I can earn Diamond status for 1/10 of the expected losses? The Iowa post on the first page of this thread says the expected losses to reach Diamond status on the 9/6 Double Double Bonus machine is $510. Does that mean expected loss only $51 with the 10x reward? Are there any catches?

Here's the full wording of the promo:

The earlier you swipe, the higher the Multiplier.

Swipe your Caesars Rewards card at a Horseshoe Promotions Kiosk during one of the scheduled times to lock in your GUARANTEED Reward Credit Multiplier.

6am – 9:59am | 10X
10am – 12:59pm | 7X
1pm – 6am | 3X

Guests may only swipe once. Once a guest has swiped and received a Multiplier, that Multiplier will be locked in and will not change for the entirety of the promotional day.

I'm very much a newb at both video poker and hunting rewards credits. I'm not even sure where the promotional kiosks are that you need to use. Anyhoo, the Iowa post says,

25c/credit, 100-play ($12.50-$125 per hand)

Do I have to play 100-play? Can I play single play to minimize my variance? Like, I assume if I'm playing $12.50 per hand showing up with $1K should be reasonable. If I'm playing $125/hand, I'd need to walk in a with a lot more cash?

[skyjo]

Do I have to play 100-play? Can I play single play to minimize my variance? Like, I assume if I'm playing $12.50 per hand showing up with $1K should be reasonable. If I'm playing $125/hand, I'd need to walk in a with a lot more cash?

Ok. If I'm doing the math correct:
You need 5,000 tier credits, then you get 10,000 bonus credits which gets you to the 15,000 Diamond level.
You earn 1 credit per 10 dollars bet.
Normally you'd have to bet $50,000 to get to 5,000 credits. But with the 10x multiplier you only need to bet $5,000.
At 100-play ($125/hand), you'd only have to play 40 hands to get to Diamond? Very quick! But a lot of variance.
At 10-play you'd need 400 hands.
At 1-play you'd need 4,000 hands.

10-play seems like a happy medium?

And a random question (I said I was a VP newb) : If you are doing the 100-play, and you get dealt a pat Royal Flush.... does that pay out as 100 Royal Flushes??

[Dan Druff]

Do I have to play 100-play? Can I play single play to minimize my variance? Like, I assume if I'm playing $12.50 per hand showing up with $1K should be reasonable. If I'm playing $125/hand, I'd need to walk in a with a lot more cash?

Ok. If I'm doing the math correct:
You need 5,000 tier credits, then you get 10,000 bonus credits which gets you to the 15,000 Diamond level.
You earn 1 credit per 10 dollars bet.
Normally you'd have to bet $50,000 to get to 5,000 credits. But with the 10x multiplier you only need to bet $5,000.
At 100-play ($125/hand), you'd only have to play 40 hands to get to Diamond? Very quick! But a lot of variance.
At 10-play you'd need 400 hands.
At 1-play you'd need 4,000 hands.

10-play seems like a happy medium?

And a random question (I said I was a VP newb) : If you are doing the 100-play, and you get dealt a pat Royal Flush.... does that pay out as 100 Royal Flushes??

The first part of your post is correct. Unless the machine has reduced tier credit earnings (which is usually marked on the machine), you get one tier credit per $10 played. So, yes, if you run $50,000 of coin-in during a gaming day, you will earn 5000 tier credits, which will then earn you 10,000 bonus, and you've earned Diamond.

However, make sure you understand what the property's "gaming day" is. It's never midnight to midnight. It tends to run from 3:00am-2:59am, 4:00am-3:59am, 5:00am-4:59am, or 6:00am-5:59am. Even worse, most employees don't know this. Your best bet is going to the Caesars Rewards desk, ask for a supervisor, and find out.

To answer your final question, yes, if you get dealt a pat hand in a multi-play machine, and you hold it, you automatically get it on every other hand you're playing. Multi-play machines end up with FAR more emphasis on the dealt hand than the draw, whereas both the deal and draw are important on single-play hands. At a 100-play machine, your success or failure will almost completely depend upon the dealt hands you get. The huge advantage of 100-play is if you're dealt a monster (quads or better). The huge disadvantage of 100-play is if you're not dealt many good pat hands, you will get clobbered no matter what.

[Cerveza Fria]

Ok. If I'm doing the math correct:
You need 5,000 tier credits, then you get 10,000 bonus credits which gets you to the 15,000 Diamond level.
You earn 1 credit per 10 dollars bet.
Normally you'd have to bet $50,000 to get to 5,000 credits. But with the 10x multiplier you only need to bet $5,000.
At 100-play ($125/hand), you'd only have to play 40 hands to get to Diamond? Very quick! But a lot of variance.
At 10-play you'd need 400 hands.
At 1-play you'd need 4,000 hands.

10-play seems like a happy medium?

And a random question (I said I was a VP newb) : If you are doing the 100-play, and you get dealt a pat Royal Flush.... does that pay out as 100 Royal Flushes??

The first part of your post is correct. Unless the machine has reduced tier credit earnings (which is usually marked on the machine), you get one tier credit per $10 played. So, yes, if you run $50,000 of coin-in during a gaming day, you will earn 5000 tier credits, which will then earn you 10,000 bonus, and you've earned Diamond.

However, make sure you understand what the property's "gaming day" is. It's never midnight to midnight. It tends to run from 3:00am-2:59am, 4:00am-3:59am, 5:00am-4:59am, or 6:00am-5:59am. Even worse, most employees don't know this. Your best bet is going to the Caesars Rewards desk, ask for a supervisor, and find out.

To answer your final question, yes, if you get dealt a pat hand in a multi-play machine, and you hold it, you automatically get it on every other hand you're playing. Multi-play machines end up with FAR more emphasis on the dealt hand than the draw, whereas both the deal and draw are important on single-play hands. At a 100-play machine, your success or failure will almost completely depend upon the dealt hands you get. The huge advantage of 100-play is if you're dealt a monster (quads or better). The huge disadvantage of 100-play is if you're not dealt many good pat hands, you will get clobbered no matter what.

This is correct. You cannot play a 100 play machine for very long. It should be strictly a short term play.

[skyjo]

The first part of your post is correct. Unless the machine has reduced tier credit earnings (which is usually marked on the machine), you get one tier credit per $10 played. So, yes, if you run $50,000 of coin-in during a gaming day, you will earn 5000 tier credits, which will then earn you 10,000 bonus, and you've earned Diamond.

However, make sure you understand what the property's "gaming day" is. It's never midnight to midnight. It tends to run from 3:00am-2:59am, 4:00am-3:59am, 5:00am-4:59am, or 6:00am-5:59am. Even worse, most employees don't know this. Your best bet is going to the Caesars Rewards desk, ask for a supervisor, and find out.

To answer your final question, yes, if you get dealt a pat hand in a multi-play machine, and you hold it, you automatically get it on every other hand you're playing. Multi-play machines end up with FAR more emphasis on the dealt hand than the draw, whereas both the deal and draw are important on single-play hands. At a 100-play machine, your success or failure will almost completely depend upon the dealt hands you get. The huge advantage of 100-play is if you're dealt a monster (quads or better). The huge disadvantage of 100-play is if you're not dealt many good pat hands, you will get clobbered no matter what.

Thanks for the reply. I gotta note: The promotion I was referencing was for 10x REWARDS credit. It is the TIER credits that get you to Diamond status. So you'd still be earning the regular 1 tier credit per $10 coin-in during that promotion. I thought 10x sounded too good to be true! Good thing I wasn't dumb enough to lose $600 trying to grind out Diamond status last weekend.... heh.... heh....

[Jayjami]

To answer your final question, yes, if you get dealt a pat hand in a multi-play machine, and you hold it, you automatically get it on every other hand you're playing. Multi-play machines end up with FAR more emphasis on the dealt hand than the draw, whereas both the deal and draw are important on single-play hands. At a 100-play machine, your success or failure will almost completely depend upon the dealt hands you get. The huge advantage of 100-play is if you're dealt a monster (quads or better). The huge disadvantage of 100-play is if you're not dealt many good pat hands, you will get clobbered no matter what.

Agreed. When I played in December during the 5x tier multiplier, I was dealt a pat steel wheel for $5000. Otherwise, I’d a probably lost about $2000. I was ready to take a little loss to get the points, but you’re entitled to get lucky once in a while. I’ve never had a royal btw.

Being dealt 3 of a kind is good when you’re playing a 9/6 machine. Hitting those full houses and quads helps a lot.