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WhereÂ’s the fraud analytics team ? Paging PositiveVariance, BedWetterBettor, zealanddonk & etc. All 3 of you should get a kick back from Dan Druff for the amount of time & effort you guys break down these frauds.

I was a paid poster @ a Sportsbetting forum for a short time & all I did was shoot the shit with the members & try to get them to deposit with our sponsored Sportsbook with moderate sports betting content and picks.

Those days came & went real fast. Had a falling out with the under boss & they banned me for reasons very far from the truth. I think I just knew too much about the business model & they didnÂ’t want the other members to know how things work on how they profit off their members losses, oh well it was definitely an experience.

This is long. If you want CLIFF’S go to the end.


Here is my take, However, some may not agree with me but please hear me out. I will go over the gambling aspect first, then I will get to where he is getting his money at the end.

I believe the amount that we are looking at on this screen is authentic. Yes, I think in 2021 at the Venetian he was up over 10 MILLION DOLLARS as shown on his screen, shocking I know. Does this mean he was an overall winning player for 2021? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I definitely agree he is a MASSIVE loser.


So why do I believe the 10 Million is real?

There are 360 Baccarat tables in Las Vegas. I’m not sure how many casinos spread high limit Baccarat that Mikki plays. Let’s say there are 40 casinos that offer high limit Baccarat.

Wether you are playing with an edge or at a disadvantage, you will have “variance”, both positive and negative (up and down).

It’s very possible in 2021 Mikki played Baccarat at 40 or more casinos in Las Vegas. Overall if you were to get every single win/loss statement for Mikki in 2021 from ALL Las Vegas casinos and add them together, you would without a doubt have an OVERALL LOSS.

In a game with such a small house edge such as Baccarat, it’s possible, even likely that with scattered play at various casinos, out of 40 casinos that he gave action to, there will be several that he had a net gain for the year.

I believe Mikki picked the highest win/loss statement for 2021 and that is what he is showing these guys as well as what he showed Spencer privately, awhile back. From listening to the way Mikki talks, he is NOT a Martingale type bettor. He seems to do a lot of “double up” Or “press” betting once he starts winning. So you either finish with nothing or you come out with a massive multiple of your starting stack. In this case, it could be 50x-200x what he started with.

Out of Mikki’s 40 or more win/loss statements that include Baccarat/table games, Mikki simply pulled out and is SHOWING US THE BEST STATEMENT. It’s possible he started with $250,000 and 40x that amount to $10 Million. How likely is this? Extremely unlikely, but it does happen.

If you were to look at all his win/loss statements for 2021, for the year he may have 45 Million “coin in” and 40 Million “coin-out”. For a total LOSS of $5 MILLION on the year. Due to variance, at various casinos you will be UP at some, DOWN at most. He simply showed us one at the Venetian, where he was miraculously up over 10 Million. With his “Double up” degenerate style of gambling this does not surprise me. He could gamble this same way (starting with 100k-250k) for the next 20 years and NOT run it up to 10 Million.



Where does Mikki get his cash?
Prior to 2021, no one heard of Mikki Mase in the gambling community. He came out of no where. There is very little online about his background. In various interviews he mentions all these companies he had. There would be even the smallest trail which there is not. This is my theory: Mikki had a VERY wealthy Grandfather. After doing some research, I found out his grandfather past away in 2019. It is my belief that the Grandfather set up some type of Trust Fund for him. Mikki’s cash flow seems to fluctuate. Like the time in the high limit game at Hustler with Phil Helmuth, he asked to take $200 off the table for gas. It is my belief he gets either monthly or quarterly disbursements of cash since his Grandfather’s passing. Everything lines up with this. He may get $500,000 per month. 20k for living expense - Then DONK off 480k.


CLIFFS / CLIFFS / CLIFFS / CLIFFS:
He May play high limit Baccarat at up to 40 casinos. He simply pulled out 1 winning win/loss statement which showed a massive win due to favorable positive variance in a negative expectation game. If all his win/loss statements were analyzed for 2021, there is no question we would see a negative amount for table game play. Baccarat has a small edge, it’s “close” to a coin flip, favorable streaks do happen. If he happens to press bets as he does, occasionally great things will happen. Mikki, show us the other Win/loss statements. Until then, you are just like every other Vegas defen, but in your case you have a reloadable bankroll, thanks to Grandpa Mase.
So 1st of all you definitely think he is fudging the numbers overall which would be in the multiple tens of millions of dollars. See this is where I agree with you, but not to that extent. I believe he’s possibly hiding 10-15 million in losses for his bottom line which would still indicate him as being a winning gambler even so. He’s definitely a trust fund entitled gambler which helps extremely to pull something like this off “takes money to make money” or not in most cases in the casino world. I appreciate your point of view, but I slightly disagree with you regarding Micki’s bottom line.