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Sure i don't mind denouncing Antifa violence when there's no reason for it, when it's miss-targeted or excessive. I don't really know when that's the case though. This is the rough equivalent of asking me to denounce the police and go figure the same things apply.

For some random reason you seem to be under the impression that far-right has any interest in sensible intelligent discourse. That no one from the left ever thought to just talk things out. And speaking of words, apparently all words are amazing and none of them have any kind of impact. It's just a coincidence that a same forum spawns several mass murderers. Or that Isis can radicalize people thousands of miles away by using Isis magic. Yay words.

For you to think Antifa would ever cross paths with 99% of conservatives makes me think you've been touched by some bad words. Oh and yes victim Andy was inciting violence or at least he played his part as a grifter in painting remarkably flawed picture that apparently found it's audience.

Like i said look into that Patriot Prayer case in May Day. That's kinda how it's always been and that's why Antifa thinks use of force is justified.
I don't care why Antifa thinks their use of force is justified.

Use of force by a civilian group is not justified unless they are placed in danger themselves, or if they are rescuing someone else from immediate danger. A very high percentage of Antifa attacks are simply instigated by them out of nowhere. Antifa doesn't even deny this. They don't claim to be a "violence only in defense" group. They fully acknowledge that they're violent and engage in it offensively, but assert that the violence is necessary in order to prevent the rise of fascism.

The term "far right" is also misused a lot, and it's meant to invoke images of dangerous, violent white supremacists. While such groups exist, they are a tiny minority of conservatives, and almost all conservatives denounce them (unlike Antifa, which has increasingly become accepted and lauded by the left). Do you think I'm the "far right"? Because that accusation has been lobbed at me many a time by those on the left who disagree with me, even while I'm engaging in reasonable debate and never advocating for any kind of violence or racial discrimination.

"Far right" and "hate speech" are intentionally broad terms meant to justify modern censorship and censorship-based violence. That's Antifa's basic gameplan.
This is how it started decades ago, "Use of force by a civilian group is not justified unless they are placed in danger themselves, or if they are rescuing someone else from immediate danger". What you're seeing now is just the escalation of it. When the far right groups circumvented this protection by targeting isolated individuals, the groups themselves became legitimate targets. When they chose to start trying to blend among the populace by hiding their swasticas and bald heads, anyone giving them protection or trying to hide their true colors became a target. The last part is where Andy comes along.

You don't defeat terrorists by being one step behind.

Some decades ago far right started to change their optics. Changed a few key words and started to control the narrative. Behind all this is still the same far right. I didn't really believe that anyone bought that facade, but here we are. The current far right lite groups that are willing to accept jews and gays are a weird bastardized reflection of this. They mimic that facade. I don't consider them to be a part of the far right and neither does Stormfront. They don't really care if said groups work for their own demise, but from their perspective jews in particular don't have a seat in the promised ethnostate.

Oh and no i don't think you're part of the far right or that any of your comments would fall under hate speech.