Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

You're already doing all of this. It's called welfare. That's how it works. It's pragmatic purpose is stability of society.

Oh and the reason why everyone gets UBI is that their financial situation isn't constant. It's much cheaper to pay it monthly vs applying it whenever your financial situation changes. Like that's not even close. Saying it's infinitely cheaper isn't that much of an exaggeration. Now to make this all work a lot smoother US might have to join the 21st century. Rest of the western world has been there for a while. We have decent idea what are citizens are doing and our governments have actual bargaining power.
Welfare needs reform, but that's not the reform it needs.

How is it so expensive to "apply assistance to whenever your financial situation changes"?

Wouldn't it be a hell of a lot cheaper to only give people aid when they actually need it?

It is not the government's responsibility to keep shoveling free money into the pockets of every citizen just in case they hit upon hard times. Assistance should come as needed, not in the form of "take this money every month, because who knows, maybe you might need it at some point".
Assistance comes when it's needed even with the model i presented. The applying process is expensive in relation to 12 yearly bank transfers because it can't be automated currently. It involves decision making and human supervision/contact. You also have what 120+ different welfare programs. It's expensive because it's a shitshow. Oh and something like half your citizens get more in government assistance than they pay taxes right now. This isn't a case where only a small minority needs support and rest are just fine. Small minority is fine on their own.