Justin "Steathmunk" Schwartz decided to go off on a long Twitter rant today against poker coaches, accusing them of either being delusional or liars/scammers.



Quote Originally Posted by stealthmunk
Poker Coaching: 60% Outright scamming thieves/charlatans self-aware they can't win anymore. 39% delusional idiots unaware they suck. 1%good

Its amusing to try to speculate if the person is a scumbag (self-aware they are selling snake-oil) or if they are just too stupid to know.

Like take @phil_hellmuth for example, I'm positive that he truly believes he is one of the best NL players in the world, and great coach!

Then look at @JonathanLittle does he know that the "information" he's putting out there or selling is complete garbage? Or is he delusional?

See, if the person is dumb enough to think that they are actually a worthy poker coach, they aren't guilty of being a scumbag, only dumb... Whats even more funny, is they will read this tweet, and think "lol jealous haters" and not realize that they are in fact stupid. Circular..

There are probably hundreds of MTT "Pros" now blinded by variance who have run above EV lifetime and think they would be a good poker coach.

I used to get into fights on @twoplustwoforum with some idiotic poster named 'betgo' who sold poker coaching, and he was a moron too... Obviously, he didn't realize he was a moron. So he took offense to me calling him a thief for selling garbage. (his poker coaching)

See I don't know if @JonathanLittle is self-aware and realizes he's terrible at poker. Take this guy though: http://t.co/uqTiQE134H

I'd be willing to be a lot of money that @sharkslayerrr genuinely believes he's a top NL boss and his coaching is worth top dollar. So its hard to call @sharkslayerrr a scumbag, because he doesn't realize he's probably not even near the top 5000 NL players in the world.

Now @JonathanLittle on the other hand....he seems smart enough to realize that the information he's putting out there is straight garbage. He should be berated then if he is in fact self-aware that he's scamming people. Apologies if he is just really stupid, delusional, unaware. You could browse @JonathanLittle coaching site for under 10 minsand be able to realize that this guy doesn't teach winning poker in 2015

Whats amusing....is you then have the clueless amateurs getting reviews/blinded by variance as well! They don't know anything! So then an amateur wins a tournament. Causation=Correlation! (DUH) THATS WHY CHOICE=DNEGS/ANTONIO WIN...clueless training site gets credit. When in reality, anyone caring enough about poker to realize they suck and try to improve, will eventually luckbox some sort of tourney.

Note: I'm not even saying @JonathanLittle doesn't win at poker in 2015, he might! I'm just saying what he's selling is outdated garbage.

Its the same thing with markup. Amateur cashes 4 of first 6 live tourneys they play, so they think getting a 50-50 one time deal is fair. They aren't a scumbag at all, just clueless. However, a seasoned pro scamming a 50-50 onetime deal in a SHR from investors, is scum. Same. And can extrapolate further that people like Hellmuth /other delusional idiots think they'd be great investments, just like coaches.

I love the people that say "its up to the consumer" lol, supporting these scumbags. This attitude is what @DanielColman_ hates=cancer... If you are selling shit, and you know that its shit, and you are claiming its gold, then you are a piece of shit. The end.

Now obviously this isn't black and white, its very grey. But I think its obvious which "poker coaches" cross the line and are predatory. Its the whole "training" industry in anything. How can I know what makes a good XX coach (guitar, golf, any skill) if I have no experience.

The only way a consumer would be able to know if a coach was worth it, would be if he didn't need coaching in the first place! duh! So then it relies on reviews, from stupid people, blinded by variance, who are still stupid, and learned nothing. So I offer REAL reviews.

Fact: Anyone bad enough at poker to pay for @JonathanLittle coaching will not be able to understand if he improved or didn't from it.

Fact: Just getting poker coaching probably offers a great placebo effect, and they will get better with the confidence, albeit artificial.

Fact: Browsing @JonathanLittle coaching for under 10minutes I literally laughed out loud at advice/explanation three times before I quit.

Yet so few of those same poker players call out the exact predatory type of delusional idiot scumbag that infests nearly all poker training.

You know what I promise you won't happen....a poker coach like @JonathanLittle defending his product and challenging me calling me wrong.. As I'm sure he knows that I could use logic/facts/#science to just show that material he is masquerading as advanced poker is outdated shit.

With the advances in modern medicine, can't teach doctors with shit from the 1920s! Don't ask P5s top 10 from before UIGEA for 2015 advice!

To people asking me for "good coaches" I only browse enough to be able to identify "terrible" I'd have to look deeper to identify "good". Just like you could play very shortly with someone and deduce they are terrible at poker, but takes much longer to deduce they are good...

To the people pointing out that 1% is too low. FINE. SOMETIMES I USE HYPERBOLE TO PROVE A POINT. KILL ME. IT WORKED DIDN'T IT?

And for Poe's law to come into play.....there was a dude on 2p2 selling coaching on how to make 100k from coaching poker...i shit u not.

RT @GriffinBenger: @JonathanLittle has cashed for 200k in the last month & a half alone. Your arguments are valid but ur targeting needs work IMO.

LOLOL I spit up my drink at @GriffinBenger latest tweet. #blindedbyvariance

If he's able to market himself as he wants, then there should be an open market, and people should be able to criticize it! I mean its in his pinned tweet! @JonathanLittle Watch that clip, and think "is that someone that understands poker in 2015" or a charlatan?

In case any of you cash game players want to improve your MTT game, here's https://jonathanlittlepoker.leadpage...istake-replay/ … @ikepoker etc. take note. #tightisright

I could talk poker with someone for 15 minutes and determine if they are an idiot, takes a while to see if elite, stupidity shows quickly.. He doesn't include math/theory/logic. He just basically pontificates nonsense and says "play tight OOP" He is Taylor Caby in 2004.

I think he's being a bit hard on Little and other coaching operations. Not all coaches are aiming themselves at good players trying to become world class. Many coaches are aiming their services at fish, in which case they don't need to include advanced theory or fifth-level thinking in their training. Many bad players would benefit greatly from the most basic level of coaching from any competent player.

I will say that he has a point, though, in that a lot of "coaches" inflate/mislead people about their success at the tables, and are actually coaching because they're broke and failed to make a living playing poker. You know... the "those that can't do, teach" line of thinking. And it's one of those things... when you're doing really well at poker, it's hard to imagine that you would want the distraction of a coaching business.

I do believe that there are some legit/competent coaches out there, but probably also plenty of shady ones.

Do you think stealthmunk is off base here, or is he right on? Or somewhere in the middle?