Quote Originally Posted by ToasterOven View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

How can you say that "the only thing that matters is who benefits"?

No.

The only thing that should matter is what is right. While the Republicans benefit from voter ID and Democrats benefit from the lack of it, that shouldn't be a factor in debating whether it is right or wrong.

You are acting like elections are a surprise and/or occur every day. Even if there is some effort required to obtain an ID, you have plenty of time to obtain one, and the cost of doing so is extremely minimal, to where it shouldn't even be a factor for poor people.

If you are going to claim that requiring ID to vote is so cruel and racist, then why isn't it cruel and racist to require ID for nearly everything else in life? The "voter ID is wrong" people might as well lobby that we shouldn't need ID for anything, and should just take everyone's word for who they are. At least that line of argument would be consistent.

While voting is a right that shouldn't be denied to anyone, it also requires some effort and those not making the effort can't claim to be discriminated against. For example, if I forget to register in time, I can't claim that my rights to vote are being violated when I show up to the polling place anyway. If I get too sick on election day to leave the house to vote, I can't scream that I was a victim of discrimination that they wouldn't bring the voting to my house, or that nobody would pick me up and drive me there.

This is just an attempt by the Democrats to get extra votes from people too lazy/weird/old to bother getting ID. They know the votes will mostly go their way, so they scream "racist" and accuse Republicans of manipulating things.

Where did I claim that requiring an ID is cruel and racist? Do you know you have a habit of assigning views to people when they haven't expressed those views?



Frankly, I just like freedom more than you. I don't want to tread on someone if they don't want to get an ID.
Nobody is being forced to get an ID.

If you want to live off the grid with no ID, that is your right.

But then you have to give up certain elements of civilized life such as voting, driving, obtaining credit, flying, etc.

You can't have it both ways where you don't want ID but want the benefits of having ID.

We have a semi-modern Presidential election decided by voter fraud. I guess today's Democrats realize that most people are too young to remember 1960, so they can sell the "voter fraud can't happen" idea more easily.

I prefer practical prevention rather than leaving security holes wide open and saying, "We will worry about this after something bad happens."