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Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

I don't understand this statement.

The current round of anti-Semitism isn't a result of Trump or the right. It's a result of extremists on both the left and right pushing fake genocide propaganda, and both of these contingents being far louder than the moderates on both sides.

Recall that the 10/7 attacks happened under Biden, and even though they weren't his fault, the anti-Semitism arose during that time frame, not since Trump took office on 1/21/25.

In fact, a lot of left wing Jews are stupidly supporting the Mamdani types who claim to be for the people, and not to hate Jews (wink wink nudge nudge) while actually doing all they can to support the Islamic Jew hating contingent in this country. Maybe you haven't been paying attention to what's happening in Minnesota and Michigan?

BTW, right wing Jews were, for the most part, not fans of any of the current anti-Semitic right, with the exception of Tucker. This is why you'll notice that I was speaking against Candace Owens long before 10/7/23.
No one knows who any of these popular right wing antisemites even are if not for MAGA. You needed these people to win, cultivated them, courted them, nodded your head when Trump said the Jews will not replace us were very fine guys, and now it’s blowing up in your face. Who is the antisemite of the left atm? No one that anyone is talking about. This is entirely a right wing story. Tucker, Nick, Candace. Trump made all those people. These are all people birthed from the MAGA movement. Tucker recreated himself from neo-con, but Trump loves him.
I never nodded my head about these people, and the "Very fine people" shit was a lie taken out of context. I'm surprised you're still repeating that.

For a long time, I have condemned the anti-Semitic trashy wing of the right, and in fact argued with a lot of them online.

I also said that they were a fringe element and did not influence policy. At the time I said it, I was right. They did not influence first term Trump policy at all. Their enthusiasm helped Trump win, and their loudness online probably helped convert some in the middle, but I never embraced them. Much like I doubt you embrace the purple-haired woke female college students who despise the patriarchy and white men, yet they help your candidates win.

Trump had no choice but to accept support from the groyper contingent. They were loud, they were posting funny memes, they were an enthusiasm machine. He needed every vote he could get. He needed every bit of possible support to counter the massive media and Hollywood machine working against him. If he condemned them, he never would have won 2016, or 2024 for that matter.

Yes, now some of that is coming home to roost. The Israel situation opened that door -- it was what that group needed to attempt to graduate from fringe to mainstream. It's just an excuse, by the way. None of them care about this fake "genocide", and none actually give a shit about US money going to a foreign country. It's an excuse to openly bash Jews, and it's a further excuse to force out the mainstream politicians and voices on the right.

What can be done now? The party has to reject that contingent. If we lose short term because of that, so be it. In the medium term, it's the right strategy. Besides, if that group is embraced, we will lose even worse.