Had a stroke in July due to blood pressure

[cmoney]

I don't think you're interested in getting healthier and that's fair. I think the longer a person gets pleasure from activities like eating sugar, alcohol or drugs the harder it becomes to make changes. At a certain point you can't be happy making those changes, perhaps you're at that point and I think it would also explain you digging in seemingly to an irrational degree in this thread to defend that you can't improve blood pressure. You don't want to make those changes and the idea that a better lifestyle could make them bums you out. That means you'd lose something you've gained significant pleasure from for a long time.

I played pro tennis at 172lbs, 5'11". After I quit and got into a heavy drinking and gambling lifestyle I slowly put on 75lbs. 5 years ago I peaked out at 247lbs. I dropped down to 185 in 6 months after making significant and abrupt changes. I now walk around at 165lbs and I've been at this weight for 3.5 years. For me the benefits outweigh the negatives by a pretty large margin (there are definitely things I miss about the old life). This debate has probably run its course.

I'm mainly interested to see if cmoney can cut the booze out for a few weeks. I'm rooting for him and looking forward to updates.

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

[gimmick]

I don't think you're interested in getting healthier and that's fair. I think the longer a person gets pleasure from activities like eating sugar, alcohol or drugs the harder it becomes to make changes. At a certain point you can't be happy making those changes, perhaps you're at that point and I think it would also explain you digging in seemingly to an irrational degree in this thread to defend that you can't improve blood pressure. You don't want to make those changes and the idea that a better lifestyle could make them bums you out. That means you'd lose something you've gained significant pleasure from for a long time.

I played pro tennis at 172lbs, 5'11". After I quit and got into a heavy drinking and gambling lifestyle I slowly put on 75lbs. 5 years ago I peaked out at 247lbs. I dropped down to 185 in 6 months after making significant and abrupt changes. I now walk around at 165lbs and I've been at this weight for 3.5 years. For me the benefits outweigh the negatives by a pretty large margin (there are definitely things I miss about the old life). This debate has probably run its course.

I'm mainly interested to see if cmoney can cut the booze out for a few weeks. I'm rooting for him and looking forward to updates.

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

Take it easy today. Benzos are likely the most important part of dodging delirium, but the effective dose should make and keep you fairly groggy. Quitting drinking and doing stuff isn't really a combination that necessarily works. As the days strangest sounding unsolicited advice there's no shame in having one drink if you start feeling really shaky. Basically check your pulse and listen to your doctor for the correct dose and how active you should be.

[gauchojake]

I quit drinking over a year ago and remember that the restlessness was not fun. I used to take a Benedryl before bedtime and that helped a lot. I also learned to meditate which helped a lot when I was craving.

I know a guy who has 34 years sober and asked him how he did it. He said two things helped him get 34 years - he didn't drink and didn't die.

[peter mcneil]

I don't think you're interested in getting healthier and that's fair. I think the longer a person gets pleasure from activities like eating sugar, alcohol or drugs the harder it becomes to make changes. At a certain point you can't be happy making those changes, perhaps you're at that point and I think it would also explain you digging in seemingly to an irrational degree in this thread to defend that you can't improve blood pressure. You don't want to make those changes and the idea that a better lifestyle could make them bums you out. That means you'd lose something you've gained significant pleasure from for a long time.

I played pro tennis at 172lbs, 5'11". After I quit and got into a heavy drinking and gambling lifestyle I slowly put on 75lbs. 5 years ago I peaked out at 247lbs. I dropped down to 185 in 6 months after making significant and abrupt changes. I now walk around at 165lbs and I've been at this weight for 3.5 years. For me the benefits outweigh the negatives by a pretty large margin (there are definitely things I miss about the old life). This debate has probably run its course.

I'm mainly interested to see if cmoney can cut the booze out for a few weeks. I'm rooting for him and looking forward to updates.

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

I struggled with sleep for years after quitting drinking. I used zopiclone in a mild dosage to sleep and it helped a lot although it's also addictive and side effects vary from person to person.

I'm impressed cmoney. Most people can't get past hour 2 or 3 quitting. Getting to day 3 puts you into some elite company. I'm cheering for you man.

[limitles]

Fuck yeah it's tricky folks. I just ended 48 hours of sobriety because I could feel the ugly creeping in. 1st day and a half and I'm taunting AA devotees etc and then it was off to the liquor store(where I only purchased 3(tall cans) and plan on continuing my sojourn tomorrow. Also picked up a Mexican Coke nearby and overpaying made me happy

I told you a long time ago to never quit drinking. I'm not dumb about everything.

Also still amazed that you are the only Canadian ever that doesn't call it the beer store.

You're the third doctor to tell me that.

At one time we had Cold Beer and Wine stores(after breaking away from the Queen) but they now sell
everything liquor so it's back to calling them liquor stores. We don't have lettuce stores though or the Colt and Colts drive thrus.

[cmoney]

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

I struggled with sleep for years after quitting drinking. I used zopiclone in a mild dosage to sleep and it helped a lot although it's also addictive and side effects vary from person to person.

I'm impressed cmoney. Most people can't get past hour 2 or 3 quitting. Getting to day 3 puts you into some elite company. I'm cheering for you man.

Thank you. Actually had no desire or even thought to quit until i read your posts. I salute you.

[cmoney]

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

Take it easy today. Benzos are likely the most important part of dodging delirium, but the effective dose should make and keep you fairly groggy. Quitting drinking and doing stuff isn't really a combination that necessarily works. As the days strangest sounding unsolicited advice there's no shame in having one drink if you start feeling really shaky. Basically check your pulse and listen to your doctor for the correct dose and how active you should be.

I have quit a few times in the past (never for longer than a week) . The worst was when i was 23 in Sofia Bulgaria. Long story why I was there but this was back in 2003. Basically, at that time if you were an American with money you were a rock star (probably still like that). Anyway, was drinking 3-4 bottles of wine a day min with whatever shots were in the mix . Did that for 3 months and then tried to stop cold turkey. It is didnt really cross my mind I could go through withdrawals so didnt know what it was. After a day of shakes, rapid heart beat and just complete misery i checked into a Bulgarian hospital. They had seen this thing a million times so knew what it was. After a couple days of some drip (probably a benzo) I was back to normal. Gave it few days and then starting drinking again . Never drank to that degree since.

Ever since then, I have learned my lesson. If the pain is too much, a .5 Xanax will go a long way if used sparingly (3-4 times a year)

[Charham]

I don't think you're interested in getting healthier and that's fair. I think the longer a person gets pleasure from activities like eating sugar, alcohol or drugs the harder it becomes to make changes. At a certain point you can't be happy making those changes, perhaps you're at that point and I think it would also explain you digging in seemingly to an irrational degree in this thread to defend that you can't improve blood pressure. You don't want to make those changes and the idea that a better lifestyle could make them bums you out. That means you'd lose something you've gained significant pleasure from for a long time.

I played pro tennis at 172lbs, 5'11". After I quit and got into a heavy drinking and gambling lifestyle I slowly put on 75lbs. 5 years ago I peaked out at 247lbs. I dropped down to 185 in 6 months after making significant and abrupt changes. I now walk around at 165lbs and I've been at this weight for 3.5 years. For me the benefits outweigh the negatives by a pretty large margin (there are definitely things I miss about the old life). This debate has probably run its course.

I'm mainly interested to see if cmoney can cut the booze out for a few weeks. I'm rooting for him and looking forward to updates.

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

funny you mention sugar. i gave up booze for 6 months this year and changed diet to try and lose weight to get rid of this lethargic feeling I had (welcome to middle age). In any event I eased off the no drinking after 6 months and I can take it or leave it, but the biggest issue has been curbing this never ending sweet tooth craving that won't seem to go away. very frustrating, but leave sweets out and I am like an animal after them. I try and keep away from them, but its hard with kids and once I see them its game on. sort of pathetic I can't have better self control.

[YUUP]

Anyone mind sharing how much they were drinking before they quit ?

I would consider myself a heavy drinker for the past 25 years but have always done a physical job and drunk 3/4/5 litres of water everyday.

No health issues yet.

Drinking all the water and sweating it out at work makes you ready for the next beer.

[peter mcneil]

Thank you. Starting my day 3, 5 AM EST no booze. Could not sleep for shit but actually feel pretty good considering the situaiton. Not alcohol foggy like most days i get up. I think my body is so used to "going to sleep" with alcohol and is super confused why I am trying to sleep naturally. I definitely feel on edge right now and just overall pissed off. It really is similar to when I quit smoking cigarettes. I can already tell today is going to be hard to focus which is going to be rough because i need to get a lot done.

Funny , as all the talk about sugar. Last night, had crazy craving for sugar which I never . Had a Coke and was best thing ever. Probably havent had a full soda in 5 years. SO there is something to probably be said for my the alcohol wrecking havoc on my blood sugar.

Anyway, I am sticking with this even if i end up in the ER. I got two doctors I can call and one is going to come over tonight to check on me. Even offered to bring IV with vitamins and stuff to help. Ironically, all the doctors i know are also the biggest alcoholics i know.

I think that is one of the things that probably stops a lot of alcoholics from giving up the drinking is that you can actually die from withdrawals. When the going gets tough with quitting smoking , or even heroine, at least you know you arent going to die. With alcohol , when you feel like shit, i think it is much easier to panic because of how bad it can get. Thus you start drinking again.

funny you mention sugar. i gave up booze for 6 months this year and changed diet to try and lose weight to get rid of this lethargic feeling I had (welcome to middle age). In any event I eased off the no drinking after 6 months and I can take it or leave it, but the biggest issue has been curbing this never ending sweet tooth craving that won't seem to go away. very frustrating, but leave sweets out and I am like an animal after them. I try and keep away from them, but its hard with kids and once I see them its game on. sort of pathetic I can't have better self control.

Exact same thing I went through after quitting. Guys like us who gravitate to excessive behaviours will always fight some battles. I literally have no free will when it comes to sugar. At movies I'll demolish a large bag of nibs during the previews.

From the research I've done guys like you and me get a larger than average beta endorphin rush when we indulge in alcohol, sugar, sex, gambling and anything that gives instant pleasure. The good news is that I also get that rush from healthy things. Work and money, family time, hiking, camping, exercise and sports.

What works for me is to simply stay away from sugar, moderation isn't in my DNA. My kids hide their treats on me in the house, sounds pathetic but they think it's funny. I indulge once a week but otherwise my wife is a magnificent zero sugar chef, we rarely eat out and when we do I tend to make good choices. Your body needs to adapt to a new energy source. If you can grind out a full week with no sugar you'll drop the sweet tooth cravings although I think the neuropathways that lead us to sugar are a longer term battle.

[peter mcneil]

Anyone mind sharing how much they were drinking before they quit ?

I would consider myself a heavy drinker for the past 25 years but have always done a physical job and drunk 3/4/5 litres of water everyday.

No health issues yet.

Drinking all the water and sweating it out at work makes you ready for the next beer.

How old are you? I drank 4-6 beer daily and 25+ 2 or 3 times a week at the bar or poker room. I drank a lot and loved it.

[DrPeters]

Anyway, this thread has scared me into going and finding another doctor and getting some BP meds which work.

That scam doctor's office I went to in February prescribed me some meds which work for my brother, but were ineffective for me (they literally did nothing).

Thanks to shitty Obamacare making very few doctors available to me (at least ones which take new patients), I didn't bother going to find a new doctor to try other meds. So I'm still sitting on a 152/92 type BP, which while not immediately dangerous, is not good to be sitting with in the long or medium-term.

So I'm going to bear down this week and find a place, and get some different medication for it.

yeah, 152/92 is not good druff, hopefully u follow thru and go see a good dr and get that pressure down brother
godspeed

[cmoney]

Anyone mind sharing how much they were drinking before they quit ?

I would consider myself a heavy drinker for the past 25 years but have always done a physical job and drunk 3/4/5 litres of water everyday.

No health issues yet.

Drinking all the water and sweating it out at work makes you ready for the next beer.

I drank 10-15 a day regularly. I say "drank" but I am only on day 3 of not drinking so long ways to go.

However, 1 is never less than 6 percent for a beer. For example, I would drink a "Golden Monkey" six pack and count it as six beers even though it is around 10 percent per beer.

In the last 10 years, i never blacked out and rarely got drunk (maybe 1-2 times a year). So, i dont drink to get drink. I drink to get a steady buzz.

Peter's posts got to me and I took a step back and realized that the only reason i really have not suffered because of my drinking is because when the work load gets rough (because of hangovers or non motivation) is because i have the ability to delegate. I have gotten so good at delegation because of my drinking that i could probably go to prison for a year and only need to write one email a week and still do well financially.

With that said, the booze has started to compete with my energy and overall zest for life. I also am more anxious than before and that is almost for sure because of booze.

So who knows. I am day 3 and feel like shit but i am going to get to the two week mark if it kills me. Once i hit two weeks I will see how it all feels and take it from there. As shitty as i do feel my brain already feels as if it can process information easier. As if part of it had been in a constant semi sleep state and now just kind of coming out of hibernation.

The sugar craving thing is a trip though. The feeling is as if you need water but the water to quench the thirst is sugar. So bizarre.

Doctor friend coming over tonight to check vitals and bring me fluids and some other stuff in a banana bag. He seems to think the third night will be the worst so will see . Right now I feel shitty but no worse than third day of quitting smoking.

[hongkonger]

Well since we are all getting old. I am a male at above average height and was around 175 pounds almost 8 years ago. I dropped my weight to 135 pounds and never felt better. I am now in the upper 140's. My weight even in the 170's, 160's was not healthy for me. I am now stronger than I have ever been and have more energy.

How tall are you

[peter mcneil]

Post report from doctor please, cmoney. Also, curious what kind of business you run? I sell real estate. When I drank I did 8-15 deals per year for a decade. On year 5 after quitting I'm up to 80 deals a year with a small team working under me, I have so much energy on a daily basis that I get shit done now. Every little detail of running a good business I used to fuck up I'm on top of now.

[DrPeters]

Anyone mind sharing how much they were drinking before they quit ?

I would consider myself a heavy drinker for the past 25 years but have always done a physical job and drunk 3/4/5 litres of water everyday.

No health issues yet.

Drinking all the water and sweating it out at work makes you ready for the next beer.

I drank 10-15 a day regularly. I say "drank" but I am only on day 3 of not drinking so long ways to go.

However, 1 is never less than 6 percent for a beer. For example, I would drink a "Golden Monkey" six pack and count it as six beers even though it is around 10 percent per beer.

In the last 10 years, i never blacked out and rarely got drunk (maybe 1-2 times a year). So, i dont drink to get drink. I drink to get a steady buzz.

Peter's posts got to me and I took a step back and realized that the only reason i really have not suffered because of my drinking is because when the work load gets rough (because of hangovers or non motivation) is because i have the ability to delegate. I have gotten so good at delegation because of my drinking that i could probably go to prison for a year and only need to write one email a week and still do well financially.

With that said, the booze has started to compete with my energy and overall zest for life. I also am more anxious than before and that is almost for sure because of booze.

So who knows. I am day 3 and feel like shit but i am going to get to the two week mark if it kills me. Once i hit two weeks I will see how it all feels and take it from there. As shitty as i do feel my brain already feels as if it can process information easier. As if part of it had been in a constant semi sleep state and now just kind of coming out of hibernation.

The sugar craving thing is a trip though. The feeling is as if you need water but the water to quench the thirst is sugar. So bizarre.

Doctor friend coming over tonight to check vitals and bring me fluids and some other stuff in a banana bag. He seems to think the third night will be the worst so will see . Right now I feel shitty but no worse than third day of quitting smoking.

u got this cmoney!

[Charham]

funny you mention sugar. i gave up booze for 6 months this year and changed diet to try and lose weight to get rid of this lethargic feeling I had (welcome to middle age). In any event I eased off the no drinking after 6 months and I can take it or leave it, but the biggest issue has been curbing this never ending sweet tooth craving that won't seem to go away. very frustrating, but leave sweets out and I am like an animal after them. I try and keep away from them, but its hard with kids and once I see them its game on. sort of pathetic I can't have better self control.

Exact same thing I went through after quitting. Guys like us who gravitate to excessive behaviours will always fight some battles. I literally have no free will when it comes to sugar. At movies I'll demolish a large bag of nibs during the previews.

From the research I've done guys like you and me get a larger than average beta endorphin rush when we indulge in alcohol, sugar, sex, gambling and anything that gives instant pleasure. The good news is that I also get that rush from healthy things. Work and money, family time, hiking, camping, exercise and sports.

What works for me is to simply stay away from sugar, moderation isn't in my DNA. My kids hide their treats on me in the house, sounds pathetic but they think it's funny. I indulge once a week but otherwise my wife is a magnificent zero sugar chef, we rarely eat out and when we do I tend to make good choices. Your body needs to adapt to a new energy source. If you can grind out a full week with no sugar you'll drop the sweet tooth cravings although I think the neuropathways that lead us to sugar are a longer term battle.

very interesting. I think you nailed it, the rush I get from eating sugar reminds me of that feeling of walking into a casino. it has to be a neuro pathway thing. I am having a family meeting tonight about hiding the sweets much better. great advice, thanks. if I can get it out of sight it really helps.

[peter mcneil]

Exact same thing I went through after quitting. Guys like us who gravitate to excessive behaviours will always fight some battles. I literally have no free will when it comes to sugar. At movies I'll demolish a large bag of nibs during the previews.

From the research I've done guys like you and me get a larger than average beta endorphin rush when we indulge in alcohol, sugar, sex, gambling and anything that gives instant pleasure. The good news is that I also get that rush from healthy things. Work and money, family time, hiking, camping, exercise and sports.

What works for me is to simply stay away from sugar, moderation isn't in my DNA. My kids hide their treats on me in the house, sounds pathetic but they think it's funny. I indulge once a week but otherwise my wife is a magnificent zero sugar chef, we rarely eat out and when we do I tend to make good choices. Your body needs to adapt to a new energy source. If you can grind out a full week with no sugar you'll drop the sweet tooth cravings although I think the neuropathways that lead us to sugar are a longer term battle.

very interesting. I think you nailed it, the rush I get from eating sugar reminds me of that feeling of walking into a casino. it has to be a neuro pathway thing. I am having a family meeting tonight about hiding the sweets much better. great advice, thanks. if I can get it out of sight it really helps.

If someone says 'just don't eat it' tell them to fuck off. That shit doesn't work and only people who don't fight the battled we fight with excessive behaviour see the world that way. Do whatever it takes, as long as the sweets aren't there or I don't give myself a little taste I'm fine for long periods without sugar. I let myself indulge once a week with the family but I may cut that out. Every Saturday morning after my Friday night binge I feel like dog shit and am irritable.

[Krypt]

I've got a friend struggling with a crippling porn/hooker addiction, does anyone here have any constructive suggestions for him?

[Hockey Guy]

I've got a friend struggling with a crippling porn/hooker addiction, does anyone here have any constructive suggestions for him?