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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee...-media-1516833

    McAfee thinks the whole thing was an inside job by a disgruntled broad.
    I believe the inside job part. I thought the same thing when I heard the details of the amount of data that was breached, but didn't say much about it because I thought Ashley Madison already stated initially that they suspected it was a disgruntled (male) contractor. (I haven't heard much about the contractor since then, though.)

    I don't necessarily buy the female angle, though. I understand McAfee's logic, but I think he's stretching.

    I actually engaged in this sort ofc gender-critical thinking fairly often in the past when I used to frequent chat rooms. When a suspected fake account was there, I would also consider whether I felt the actual person behind the account was actually male or female. I would deduce this from a variety of factors, from the (fake) picture they chose to use, their general aggression, topics of interest, whom they chose to PM, and their word/phrase choices.

    A good example involved a fake MALE account where the person used a picture of a clean-cut, "cute" teenage guy. The user clearly wasn't the guy in the picture, but was the actual person behind it male or female? I determined that it was highly likely to be a female behind the account, because a male using a fake picture of another guy would usually choose a muscular/hyper-masculine guy, while a woman would be much more likely to choose one who is simply "cute". Turned out I was right -- it was a 35-year-old woman behind the account.

    Anyway, getting back to the Ashley Madison hack, McAfee claims that it's a female because of two things written by the hacker:

    - The cheating guys on the site were referred to as "scumbags", and that's supposedly what a female would say to describe a male cheater.

    - The hacker talked about a member on the site "spitefully creating an account on AshleyMadison the day after Valentine's Day" -- something a woman is much more likely to think when they see February 15, whereas a man will not think on those terms.

    The "scumbags" part is really reaching. Look at the front page of PFA, and you will see me referring to "scumbags" in the site's mission statement. People have called me many things on these forum, but feminine has never been one of them. I see male posters using the word "scumbags" all the time on various forums (not just poker), and it's generally used to refer to anyone engaging in dishonest/shady behavior. So that's not a tell at all. You don't have to be a woman to think poorly of guys who seek to cheat on their wives.

    The Valentine's Day "spitefully" comment gave me more pause, but again, I don't think it means that much. Keep in mind that the hacker is likely engaging in deflective tactics to make people believe a different motive for the breach than actually occurred. So if the hacker was indeed a consultant angry at how he was treated by AshleyMadison when he worked for them, he doesn't want to give ANY clue that his motivation was frustration with behind-the-scenes office issues, or otherwise the finger will point to him quickly. Instead, he seizes upon the obvious "reason" for the hack -- a disdain for the company's business practices and their cheating clientele.

    Therefore, when releasing statements about the hack, the hacker makes CERTAIN that you understand he sees the clientele as "scumbags", and that a particular client who signed up on February 15th was "spiteful" because it was the day after Valentine's Day. The hacker initially spent time making sure everyone understood that AshleyMadison was a scam (which it was), where there were almost no real active female members, and where the "full deletion" paid feature was a farce.

    So you read all of that and get the impression that this was just a hacktivist who wanted to expose both a shady company and the asshole clientele who used them.

    It's similar to what Chucky has been doing to me on his blogs. His actual source of anger (as proven by the PMs I recently posted) stemmed from my refusal to remove a silly GIF of him, taken from a scam video he did. His stated reasoning on his blogs involves "exposing" me for all kinds of unrelated stuff that he is either making up or twisting to suit his rhetoric. So he's hoping that the reader doesn't see "bitter, vindictive, threatening former PFA user", but rather sees a brave soul who is exposing an evil man.

    Same type of shit.

    But I really do believe it was someone pissed at the company itself for internal matters, and this is their revenge.

    Bottom line is that McAfee should stick to technical analysis and leave the psychological determinations to the experts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee...-media-1516833

    McAfee thinks the whole thing was an inside job by a disgruntled broad.
    I believe the inside job part. I thought the same thing when I heard the details of the amount of data that was breached, but didn't say much about it because I thought Ashley Madison already stated initially that they suspected it was a disgruntled (male) contractor. (I haven't heard much about the contractor since then, though.)

    I don't necessarily buy the female angle, though. I understand McAfee's logic, but I think he's stretching.

    I actually engaged in this sort of gender-critical thinking fairly often in the past when I used to frequent chat rooms. When a suspected fake account was there, I would also consider whether I felt the actual person behind the account was actually male or female. I would deduce this from a variety of factors, from the (fake) picture they chose to use, their general aggression, topics of interest, whom they chose to PM, and their word/phrase choices.

    A good example involved a fake MALE account where the person used a picture of a clean-cut, "cute" teenage guy. The user clearly wasn't the guy in the picture, but was the actual person behind it male or female? I determined that it was highly likely to be a female behind the account, because a male using a fake picture of another guy would usually choose a muscular/hyper-masculine guy, while a woman would be much more likely to choose one who is simply "cute". Turned out I was right -- it was a 35-year-old woman behind the account.

    Anyway, getting back to the Ashley Madison hack, McAfee claims that it's a female because of two things written by the hacker:

    - The cheating guys on the site were referred to as "scumbags", and that's supposedly what a female would say to describe a male cheater.

    - The hacker talked about a member on the site "spitefully creating an account on AshleyMadison the day after Valentine's Day" -- something a woman is much more likely to think when they see February 15, whereas a man will not think on those terms.

    The "scumbags" part is really reaching. Look at the front page of PFA, and you will see me referring to "scumbags" in the site's mission statement. People have called me many things on these forums, but feminine has never been one of them. I see male posters using the word "scumbags" all the time on various forums (not just poker), and it's generally used to refer to anyone engaging in dishonest/shady behavior. So that's not a tell at all. You don't have to be a woman to think poorly of guys who seek to cheat on their wives.

    The Valentine's Day "spitefully" comment gave me more pause, but again, I don't think it means that much. Keep in mind that the hacker is likely engaging in deflective tactics to make people believe a different motive for the breach than actually existed. So if the hacker was indeed a consultant angry at how he was treated by AshleyMadison when he worked for them, he doesn't want to give ANY clue that his motivation was frustration with behind-the-scenes office issues, or otherwise the finger will point to him quickly. Instead, he seizes upon the obvious "reason" for the hack -- a disdain for the company's business practices and their cheating clientele.

    Therefore, when releasing statements about the hack, the hacker makes CERTAIN that you understand he sees the clientele as "scumbags", and that a particular client who signed up on February 15th was "spiteful" because it was the day after Valentine's Day. The hacker initially spent time making sure everyone understood that AshleyMadison was a scam (which it was), where there were almost no real active female members, and where the "full deletion" paid feature was a farce.

    So you read all of that and get the impression that this was just a hacktivist who wanted to expose both a shady company and the asshole clientele who used them.

    It's similar to what Chucky has been doing to me on his blogs. His actual source of anger (as proven by the PMs I recently posted) stemmed from my refusal to remove a silly GIF of him, taken from a scam video he did. His stated reasoning on his blogs involves "exposing" me for all kinds of unrelated stuff that he is either making up or twisting to suit his rhetoric. So he's hoping that the reader doesn't see "bitter, vindictive, threatening former PFA user", but rather sees a brave soul who is exposing an evil man.

    Same type of shit.

    But I really do believe it was someone pissed at the company itself for internal matters, and this is their revenge.

    Bottom line is that McAfee should stick to technical analysis and leave the psychological determinations to the experts.
    Somehow you wrote a fucking wall of text, and turned the Ashley Madison hacking into all about you? FFS you are a self delusional prick (free Jewdonk)

     
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    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Now a porn star has come out saying Duggar had an affair while his wife was preggo.

    What a winner.

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    Brian "Dont ship heroin to my house bro" Krebs just doxed https://twitter.com/deuszu as a contributing member of Impact Team and directly responsible for the AM hack.

    Very little evidence being posted in public, which makes sense because Krebs basically makes a living infiltrating private hack forums/chat channels/etc but the deuszu account is sketchy as fuck and just kicked up a huge unrelated shitstorm by posting a screen cap of a compromised .gov webserver, so the person behind that account is 100% definitely up to some dirt.


    Worth mention: there is a growing number of high profile sorts putting a ton of pressure on Krebs to back up his accusations, with good reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Now a porn star has come out saying Duggar had an affair while his wife was preggo.

    What a winner.
    For only $1,500 you can have sex with this stripper and porn star.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Now a porn star has come out saying Duggar had an affair while his wife was preggo.

    What a winner.
    For only $1,500 you can have sex with this stripper and porn star.

    Name?
    BALLIN'!!

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    Porn star Danica Dillon, real name Ashley Lewis.

    Did Josh Duggar Really Have Sex With This Porn Star?
    http://gawker.com/did-josh-duggar-re...tar-1726634494

    A stripper and porn performer claims she had two rough sexual encounters with fallen moralist and former reality TV personality Josh Duggar, kid number 1 of 19 (and counting), earlier this year while Josh’s wife Anna was pregnant with their fourth child.

    Danica Dillon peddled her story to In Touch, and in it she paints Josh as an obsessive fan who enjoyed violent, unprotected sex.
    Josh bought $600 worth of private dances and eventually asked how he could spend the night with her. She says she agreed to take him back to her hotel room in exchange for $1,500, but once they got there, he got sexually violent.

    “He was manhandling me, basically tossing me around like I was a rag doll,” Dillon said, “It was very traumatic. I’ve had rough sex before, but this was terrifying.” She also says he didn’t use protection.

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    I could point you guys in the right direction for MUCH better quality talent for less than that broad.

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    Guys at strip clubs pay way too much for way too little, so it doesn't surprise me that they will also overpay to transition it to sex later on.

    LOL @ not using protection with this one. Oh boy.

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    Watched news said out of 5 million women registered only 15,000 where real live and breathing with the rest being created by ashley madison site administrators.

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    note that its not 15,000 active at any one time either. its 15,000 people identifying their accounts as female have registered and been active there for at least long enough to prove they are human over the course of the 14 years the site has been online.

    subtract men catfishing and you probably have maybe 6000-7000 actual biological women, maybe 1 in 50 who were not whores.
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    My blog on the staggering gender disparity and how women just don't use casual sex sites:

    http://toddwitteles.com/blog/?p=27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    My blog on the staggering gender disparity and how women just don't use casual sex sites:

    http://toddwitteles.com/blog/?p=27

    So is anybody gonna mention that RentBoy got raided or did i miss that in this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    My blog on the staggering gender disparity and how women just don't use casual sex sites:

    http://toddwitteles.com/blog/?p=27

    Decent read


    Bang on about women on regular sites who kid themselves that they're not on there for the same reasons as pervy men.



    Learnt myself pretty fast how to play the game, by always allowing THEM to lead the subject to sex.


    One bint from POF was expressing her disgust to me about men on there only after one thing.. Obviously I share her disgust, and within 24 hours she's doing things to me (and herself) that you would struggle to find on most legal pornsites.


    Tagged many just using this very simple method. And as long as you are not a dullard or a fat cunt. Then it seriously is fish in a barrell stuff.


    Bottom line is. Many split arses enjoy getting fisted by near strangers. And our only job is allowing them the dignity of pretending that nasty sex is not in their end game.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-affairs.html


    Ashley Madison said to have up to 5.5million female members, not 12,000
    Original estimate put forward by tech news website after data analysis
    New report found that 770,000 of those 5.5m are looking for lesbian affairs
    Gizmodo also claimed cheating website created army of 70,000 'fembots'

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    http://www.etonline.com/news/171117_...dison_scandal/


    Snooki, after finding out her husband's email address was in their system, claims that he didnt do it because he isnt smart enough to use a computer, and that he is too good looking and wouldnt have to work that hard to cheat.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRK Star View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-affairs.html


    Ashley Madison said to have up to 5.5million female members, not 12,000
    Original estimate put forward by tech news website after data analysis
    New report found that 770,000 of those 5.5m are looking for lesbian affairs
    Gizmodo also claimed cheating website created army of 70,000 'fembots'
    I believe the fembot thing. Totally makes sense.

    I don't believe the 5.5 million female users, nor the 770,000 lesbians.

    I think that the lesbians were accounts signed up by the husbands/boyfriends looking to have a threesome, without the actual woman's knowledge.

    I used to find that sort of crap all the time on Yahoo. Went something like this:

    JennyBi69: hi, 32/f here, looking for bi f to join me and my hot 34/m hubby for good times

    Druff: yeah right. YOU are the 34/m hubby, and "Jenny" either doesn't exist or doesn't know you're doing this

    JennyBi69: lol no i am totally real and very bi

    Druff: Okay, can you get on the microphone right now and speak?

    JennyBi69: no, kids are sleeping, sorry

    Druff: Uh huh. OK, how about get on cam and show yourself for 10 seconds?

    JennyBi69: no i have no cam

    Druff: Let's see a pic of you holding up a sign with a word I choose

    JennyBi69: look i have nothing to prove to you, so any hot bi chicks wanna chat? PM me!


    It went like this pretty much EVERY TIME one of these would show up, which was fairly frequent.

    This is because dudes would want a threesome, but often would want to secure an interested woman to join them before asking their wife. Or they had already broached the topic with their wife and got an answer like, "Well, um, I don't know... maybe if she's really hot", and then they went off to the internet to see if they could find an interested hot chick before bringing it up again.

    And a lot of times it was probably just horny single dudes who just wanted to jerk off while chatting with a bi chick about a threesome.

    The Gizmodo report showed that only 1,493 female members of AshleyMadison ever checked their messages, according to a flag that was on each account indicating when messages were "last checked". 20+ million men had checked their messages according to that flag, so I find it unlikely that it was malfunctioning.

    I'm still going with that stat. This article seems like garbage, as it doesn't even mention how many of the 5.5 million female members were ACTIVE, which is arguably the most important stat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DRK Star View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-affairs.html


    Ashley Madison said to have up to 5.5million female members, not 12,000
    Original estimate put forward by tech news website after data analysis
    New report found that 770,000 of those 5.5m are looking for lesbian affairs
    Gizmodo also claimed cheating website created army of 70,000 'fembots'
    I believe the fembot thing. Totally makes sense.

    I don't believe the 5.5 million female users, nor the 770,000 lesbians.

    I think that the lesbians were accounts signed up by the husbands/boyfriends looking to have a threesome, without the actual woman's knowledge.

    I used to find that sort of crap all the time on Yahoo. Went something like this:

    JennyBi69: hi, 32/f here, looking for bi f to join me and my hot 34/m hubby for good times

    Druff: yeah right. YOU are the 34/m hubby, and "Jenny" either doesn't exist or doesn't know you're doing this

    JennyBi69: lol no i am totally real and very bi

    Druff: Okay, can you get on the microphone right now and speak?

    JennyBi69: no, kids are sleeping, sorry

    Druff: Uh huh. OK, how about get on cam and show yourself for 10 seconds?

    JennyBi69: no i have no cam

    Druff: Let's see a pic of you holding up a sign with a word I choose

    JennyBi69: look i have nothing to prove to you, so any hot bi chicks wanna chat? PM me!


    It went like this pretty much EVERY TIME one of these would show up, which was fairly frequent.

    This is because dudes would want a threesome, but often would want to secure an interested woman to join them before asking their wife. Or they had already broached the topic with their wife and got an answer like, "Well, um, I don't know... maybe if she's really hot", and then they went off to the internet to see if they could find an interested hot chick before bringing it up again.

    And a lot of times it was probably just horny single dudes who just wanted to jerk off while chatting with a bi chick about a threesome.

    The Gizmodo report showed that only 1,493 female members of AshleyMadison ever checked their messages, according to a flag that was on each account indicating when messages were "last checked". 20+ million men had checked their messages according to that flag, so I find it unlikely that it was malfunctioning.

    I'm still going with that stat. This article seems like garbage, as it doesn't even mention how many of the 5.5 million female members were ACTIVE, which is arguably the most important stat.
    That stat is almost certainly false. It doesn't;t even make sense why guys would continue to use the site. Doesn't make sense to me.

    Secondly what are the odds that you just happen to know one out of the 1493 active female Ashley madison users in the entire world (Stephanie)? Because turns out I know a female active member as well... The odds that both of us would know somebody is very minimal if there really are only a thousand women in the entire world...

    As a separate issue. I think one thing that is surprising is that lots of people probably have accounts there not to hook up but to check and see if their spouse or someone else they knew were members (those wouldn't be active accounts of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
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    The Gizmodo report showed that only 1,493 female members of AshleyMadison ever checked their messages, according to a flag that was on each account indicating when messages were "last checked". 20+ million men had checked their messages according to that flag, so I find it unlikely that it was malfunctioning.

    That stat is almost certainly false. It doesn't;t even make sense why guys would continue to use the site. Doesn't make sense to me.

    Secondly what are the odds that you just happen to know one out of the 1493 active female Ashley madison users in the entire world (Stephanie)? Because turns out I know a female active member as well... The odds that both of us would know somebody is very minimal if there really are only a thousand women in the entire world...

    As a separate issue. I think one thing that is surprising is that lots of people probably have accounts there not to hook up but to check and see if their spouse or someone else they knew were members (those wouldn't be active accounts of course).
    The number seemed low to me. Perhaps the person analyzing it screwed something up, but it would be unusual for the male "last_checked_message" entry to be correct while the female "last_checked_message" to be incorrect or inactive. The system isn't likely to work that way.

    I suppose it's possible that something went wrong when processing the data, or the hackers intentionally deleted most of the female last_checked_message entries, hoping this would be found and make AshleyMadison look bad, but these aren't all that likely.

    Anyway, I'm willing to question the 1,493 number, but this Daily Mail article is garbage, because it seems to be asserting that there were actually 5.5 million female members, aside from the 70,000 bots, which would take it down to 5.4 million. There's no way that's true, and there's especially no way that there were a large number of female active members.

    How did the site stay in business? For one, because these bots were talking to these men and giving them hope. If a guy complained that he didn't actually have an affair, AshleyMadison could simply respond that they are an avenue to meet interested people, but that they can't promise an affair.

    Actually there WAS a package called "Affair Guarantee", purchasable for $250, and I think Josh Duggar bought it. Basically you spend $250 up front, and then get all of your money back after 3 months if it fails to produce an affair. But it looks like this was again mostly a scam, as it was filled with a bunch of ridiculous terms and conditions which were spelled out here: https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/pu.../detailsform.p

    So basically anyone who didn't fulfill all of these requirements (some of which were tough and/or time consuming) wouldn't get their money back.

    I don't think AshleyMadison made all that much money on repeat business, except from chumps who were strung along for awhile by bots.

    I think they made money mostly from a constant stream of new members who spent money, attempted to have an affair, failed, and were too ashamed/embarrassed to even try to get their money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    That stat is almost certainly false. It doesn't;t even make sense why guys would continue to use the site. Doesn't make sense to me.

    Secondly what are the odds that you just happen to know one out of the 1493 active female Ashley madison users in the entire world (Stephanie)? Because turns out I know a female active member as well... The odds that both of us would know somebody is very minimal if there really are only a thousand women in the entire world...

    As a separate issue. I think one thing that is surprising is that lots of people probably have accounts there not to hook up but to check and see if their spouse or someone else they knew were members (those wouldn't be active accounts of course).
    The number seemed low to me. Perhaps the person analyzing it screwed something up, but it would be unusual for the male "last_checked_message" entry to be correct while the female "last_checked_message" to be incorrect or inactive. The system isn't likely to work that way.

    I suppose it's possible that something went wrong when processing the data, or the hackers intentionally deleted most of the female last_checked_message entries, hoping this would be found and make AshleyMadison look bad, but these aren't all that likely.

    Anyway, I'm willing to question the 1,493 number, but this Daily Mail article is garbage, because it seems to be asserting that there were actually 5.5 million female members, aside from the 70,000 bots, which would take it down to 5.4 million. There's no way that's true, and there's especially no way that there were a large number of female active members.

    How did the site stay in business? For one, because these bots were talking to these men and giving them hope. If a guy complained that he didn't actually have an affair, AshleyMadison could simply respond that they are an avenue to meet interested people, but that they can't promise an affair.

    Actually there WAS a package called "Affair Guarantee", purchasable for $250, and I think Josh Duggar bought it. Basically you spend $250 up front, and then get all of your money back after 3 months if it fails to produce an affair. But it looks like this was again mostly a scam, as it was filled with a bunch of ridiculous terms and conditions which were spelled out here: https://www.ashleymadison.com/app/pu.../detailsform.p

    So basically anyone who didn't fulfill all of these requirements (some of which were tough and/or time consuming) wouldn't get their money back.

    I don't think AshleyMadison made all that much money on repeat business, except from chumps who were strung along for awhile by bots.

    I think they made money mostly from a constant stream of new members who spent money, attempted to have an affair, failed, and were too ashamed/embarrassed to even try to get their money back.
    I don't know the stats here but I would think repeat business could be a big factor. I'm not very familiar with how the money aspect worked so can't really speculate. Cmoney would probably have a good idea though as I imagine his work mirrors this. I'd actually be interested to hear Cmoney's take on the whole thing and how this will affect the industry. Should I be investing money in a "porn security" company? And if so with whom....

    This really is a huge event and I think there is investing money to be made as a result long term.

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