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    Quote Originally Posted by hesterandeldridge View Post
    IMO , if you are a pro women poker player , you should never be single (unless you want to be). you being outnumbered 19-1 should never net you that problem.

    I understand a lot of us won't date women poker players but they still have awesome odds .

    I had a buddy who for years was a nurse and we must have gone on 50 different double dates as he could pick up a different nurse to go out with him every week . he was in a 5-1 field .


    That's another reason Vanessa's statement in 2021 was so absurd. She isn't being forced to date every gross slob at the poker table. As an attractive female in an industry comprised of almost all men, it's laughable that she claimed she still couldn't find a guy good enough to meet her standards. If she honestly felt that way, that's fine, but you don't announce on Twitter that no men in poker are good enough for you, especially if your entire identity revolves around fighting sexism.

    If a guy had posted on Twitter that no women in poker are good enough to consider dating, Vanessa would've been the first one to call him out as a sexist or misogynist.

    I've always found it odd that the loudest women in poker beating the sexist drum are also the ones who have benefited the most from being female. If you've received lucrative sponsorships or social media attention primarily due to being an attractive poker female, it's hard to complain about being a victim of sexism. Note that Vanessa got her ACR sponsorship before she had won anything significant.

    Are there downsides to being a woman in poker? Of course. Men can be rude, boorish, or dismissive of you. It's hard to just sit down and play without receiving unwanted flirting and attention, especially if you're young and attractive. I get that. There's sometimes when I'm not in the talking mood, and am thankful I'm male and can just go sit down and quietly play, without anyone bothering me. In some ways, I'm sure being a female in poker can be exhausting. I've always made sure to treat all women at the table exactly the same way I treat the men. I treat all opponents with respect, provided they treat me with respect. I never have flirted with or hit on a woman at the table, even when single.

    Like with everything in life, there's advantages and disadvantages being female in poker, just like there's advantages and disadvantages of being male. You have to be willfully ignorant not to see that.

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    Lots of people won't date within their own industry for myriad reasons.

    Most adults understand this. Kudos to Vanessa for tapping into the socially inept world of poker and monetizing the outrage to a heightened level of fame.

    Easy marks sfo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Lots of people won't date within their own industry for myriad reasons.

    Most adults understand this. Kudos to Vanessa for tapping into the socially inept world of poker and monetizing the outrage to a heightened level of fame.

    Easy marks sfo
    She wasn't expressing a desire to date outside the industry. That's obviously fine.

    She was expressing a desire to date WITHIN the industry, but claiming that all of the men were terrible and not up to her standards. Those weren't her exact words, but the message was crystal clear.

    Unfortunately she hasn't monetized the outrage. Her tendency to get in these type of conflicts scared Pokerstars away from signing her, at least according to what I was told by my friend who knows a Pokerstars pro.

    If you're an attractive female in poker who won a large tournament, your ticket to sponsorship writes itself. If this describes you and somehow you're not being offered them, then it's usually your fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Lots of people won't date within their own industry for myriad reasons.

    Most adults understand this. Kudos to Vanessa for tapping into the socially inept world of poker and monetizing the outrage to a heightened level of fame.

    Easy marks sfo
    She wasn't expressing a desire to date outside the industry. That's obviously fine.

    She was expressing a desire to date WITHIN the industry, but claiming that all of the men were terrible and not up to her standards. Those weren't her exact words, but the message was crystal clear.

    Unfortunately she hasn't monetized the outrage. Her tendency to get in these type of conflicts scared Pokerstars away from signing her, at least according to what I was told by my friend who knows a Pokerstars pro.

    If you're an attractive female in poker who won a large tournament, your ticket to sponsorship writes itself. If this describes you and somehow you're not being offered them, then it's usually your fault.
    Man she is just taking a blowtorch to you here.

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    I guess since Will Jaffe decided to take a pass on defending this one, Sloppy is taking up the old position as soy white knight. She's not gonna date you.

    I haven't gotten involved in the Twitter matter. That tweet isn't aimed at me. I doubt she even knows this thread exists.

    But if you really do want to see a "blowtorch" being taken to someone, look at the replies to that tweet.

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    Anyway, now she's going off regarding Kevin Martin and the games where she used to play in Canada.

    Brave post from someone it appears just married and cheated on then promptly divorced his brand new wife. It's been interesting to see you drop the 'fake nice guy' bit here and there the last couple years, I think people would be surprised if that mask fell all the way off.

    The poker community Kevin is referring to back then was the most toxic I'd ever seen - it was largely men from the oil fields who would come down and get super drunk, dump off money on their weeks off. They were so rude to me (being called "bitch" or "c*nt" just for winning pots, and the casino would never interfere because the guys who did this were the biggest losers of money in the room - once a roided out guy followed me through three table changes and after I'd repeatedly felted him he got dragged out by security after threatening to punch me) it got to a point I would just wear headphones and refuse to engage with anyone.

    The locals would largely sit around complaining about how horrible their wives were, and leering at the women going past the glass to the night club next door - I remember one guy once saying, "that one reminds me of my daughter" while undressing her with his eyes.

    There was even an incident where an elderly poker player LITERALLY MOTORBOATED a waitress without her consent, and nothing was done until the waitress complained to her boss' boss (or something) and the guy got banned. The poker player's reaction was to say, "poor Norm" and literally threaten to boycott the room (even some women were defending Norm) unless they unbanned him. They ended up giving him a six month ban instead (conveniently six months in the winter that he normally spent away anyway), so effectively no punishment. The woman however I vaguely remember hearing she was no longer allowed to work in the poker room. So basically no consequences for the guy and the woman lost the most lucrative section of the casino to work in. When some guys were saying "poor Norm" over and over I snapped at the table and pointed out that that was literally sexual assault - and just got a bunch of deer in the headlights look in return like I was the crazy one.

    It was an environment that made me super unfriendly and anti social for a period of time, but I used to pull in so much money from those games because they were so good and especially against a woman some of their egos would just cause them to make absolutely terrible plays either insane bluffs or just never fold to my bets. I won so much money out of those rooms some not so bright players actually started complaining that I *must* be cheating somehow. They looked at hours and hours of footage and told those guys, no, she's not. But the complaints didn't stop and management who I liked very much asked if I wouldn't mind not sitting with certain people or using my phone at the table just to shut them up. I liked this guy, and wanted to make things easier on him and the room so I complied, but my winrate went unchanged, and they continued to insist I must be cheating *somehow*. Eventually the narrative became that because I wasn't "allowed" to use my phone at the table or sit with my friends any longer that there MUST have been something right to that narrative, like it confirmed their suspicions even though I was still winning the same amount - so eventually I pointed this out to the manager and said it's not fair to have my reputation harmed in this way and we agreed I would resume sitting with whomever and using my phone like anyone else.

    Since having seen some amount of success, I refused to go back there (why would I?), and people who have asked me to come and knew what it was like for me back then have repeatedly told me it's changed, most of those people are now proud to say I came from there, and please come back. I got stuck there last year on a layover when there were fires in my current hometown of Kelowna, and ended up playing in the rooms for a week.

    The atmosphere was unrecognizable. People were friendly and kind to each other, I noticed a number of really respectful interactions between the men and women (and many more women in the room than there used to be), women being treated exactly like the other male players, and the maybe one time I saw someone be rude the entire table chimed in to shut them down.

    Somehow that place went from the (socially) worst I've ever seen to one of the best, and it made me really happy. Everyone was extremely nice, welcoming, happy to see me and I had a wonderful time.

    When things are really wrong with a place, or an environment, or a person, and you hold a mirror up to it - the reaction is rarely positive.

    You wanna say I "caused" a lot of problems or that they magically appear around me - it's only because I have a tendency to bring to the surface things that are not right or fair. And if that makes me the problem, then I guess I'll take that.
    https://twitter.com/VanessaKade/status/1863850805096227136

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    depaulo is entertaining (sometimes) although i could see how playing live he could be annoying with his vlogging and shit ....


    vanessa cade seems like a cunt


    winner = depaulo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I guess since Will Jaffe decided to take a pass on defending this one, Sloppy is taking up the old position as soy white knight. She's not gonna date you.

    I haven't gotten involved in the Twitter matter. That tweet isn't aimed at me. I doubt she even knows this thread exists.

    But if you really do want to see a "blowtorch" being taken to someone, look at the replies to that tweet.
    She's clowning people just like you, dummy; socially inept pros who do weird shit like jump on Twitter burners to harass her that prove her point about poker players being gross and weird.

    She is awful, but great at tilting aggrieved men that have never talked to her in real life. Hence the lulz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
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    I guess since Will Jaffe decided to take a pass on defending this one, Sloppy is taking up the old position as soy white knight. She's not gonna date you.

    I haven't gotten involved in the Twitter matter. That tweet isn't aimed at me. I doubt she even knows this thread exists.

    But if you really do want to see a "blowtorch" being taken to someone, look at the replies to that tweet.
    She's clowning people just like you, dummy; socially inept pros who do weird shit like jump on Twitter burners to harass her that prove her point about poker players being gross and weird.

    She is awful, but great at tilting aggrieved men that have never talked to her in real life. Hence the lulz
    Almost everyone involved, even longtime white knights like Jaffe, is telling her that she's toxic and negative, and needs to stop unnecessarily attacking people and then playing victim.

    Someone is indeed being socially inept in this situation, but it's not her critics. Notice she's not exactly getting support from other female pros, who seem to be collectively sitting this one out.

    But she'll be thrilled to know that Sloppy Joe from Poker Fraud Alert is going to bat for her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    She's clowning people just like you, dummy; socially inept pros who do weird shit like jump on Twitter burners to harass her that prove her point about poker players being gross and weird.

    She is awful, but great at tilting aggrieved men that have never talked to her in real life. Hence the lulz
    Almost everyone involved, even longtime white knights like Jaffe, is telling her that she's toxic and negative, and needs to stop unnecessarily attacking people and then playing victim.

    Someone is indeed being socially inept in this situation, but it's not her critics. Notice she's not exactly getting support from other female pros, who seem to be collectively sitting this one out.

    But she'll be thrilled to know that Sloppy Joe from Poker Fraud Alert is going to bat for her!
    Autism is hard; I'm making fun of your past harassment of her and you being an archetype of the inept incel types who criticize her.

    Pop a pill and go for a walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Almost everyone involved, even longtime white knights like Jaffe, is telling her that she's toxic and negative, and needs to stop unnecessarily attacking people and then playing victim.

    Someone is indeed being socially inept in this situation, but it's not her critics. Notice she's not exactly getting support from other female pros, who seem to be collectively sitting this one out.

    But she'll be thrilled to know that Sloppy Joe from Poker Fraud Alert is going to bat for her!
    Autism is hard; I'm making fun of your past harassment of her and you being an archetype of the inept incel types who criticize her.

    Pop a pill and go for a walk.
    I guess nearly every male in poker is an "inept incel" then, because it's pretty clear that she's someone with a victim complex who starts unnecessarily conflicts for attention.

    You've managed to out-Jaffe the actual Jaffe on this one. Soy achievement unlocked!

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