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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
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    Beating Cowboy at this stage even in an impressive way isn't that amazing. I love Cowboy as a fighter but the guy has so much mileage on him and goes into many fights without any strategy he just tries to use his natural abilities to win that isn't good enough plenty of times.

    Conor owned him I'll say that much but did Cowboy really have a plan here?
    No one has done anything close to that to Cowboy. Cowboy just fought Pettis and lost a decision (I thought he won the fight). Conor abused that man, it was sad honestly.


    Gaethje recently finished Cowboy within a round as well and Ferguson finished him inside two rounds. Conor has an accurate and powerful left hand, he can finish anyone early in a fight. He's also shown questionable cardio and heart after 1.5 rounds. There's an obvious path for either guy to win but Gaethje seems to have plugged some of his holes recently. He gets hit less and his cardio looked great vs Ferguson. I think Gaethje is the favorite in that fight but not by a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter mcneil View Post
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    No one has done anything close to that to Cowboy. Cowboy just fought Pettis and lost a decision (I thought he won the fight). Conor abused that man, it was sad honestly.


    Gaethje recently finished Cowboy within a round as well and Ferguson finished him inside two rounds. Conor has an accurate and powerful left hand, he can finish anyone early in a fight. He's also shown questionable cardio and heart after 1.5 rounds. There's an obvious path for either guy to win but Gaethje seems to have plugged some of his holes recently. He gets hit less and his cardio looked great vs Ferguson. I think Gaethje is the favorite in that fight but not by a lot.
    Would be a fun fight for sure.

    BTW, not sure Conor even landed that left hand in the Cowboy fight and it was still over in 20 seconds. That fight was so quick that it's hard to gage if Conor has improved much. However, he seemed to have the hunger back which was surprising to me. Also, an underrated part of Gaethje's game is that low hard leg kick. Not sure that would be so effective against Conor because he's left handed.
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
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    Moments like when he made Cowboy look like a Cowgirl?
    Beating Cowboy at this stage even in an impressive way isn't that amazing. I love Cowboy as a fighter but the guy has so much mileage on him and goes into many fights without any strategy he just tries to use his natural abilities to win that isn't good enough plenty of times.

    Conor owned him I'll say that much but did Cowboy really have a plan here?

    From what I saw, his plan was to collect a big pay day, nothing else. It was pathetic.

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    cowboy starts slow. he always starts slow. hes always going to start slow. conor, for all his faults, is anything but a fool in the ring. point being lets not read anything into that bout beyond the obvious, imo.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Those slaps are hilarious, also disarming someone is idiotic training, I bet he's also doing knife defense training. The only appropriate defense when someone pulls a gun on you is to cry and beg for your life, or run and hope they shoot like shit. Dean Lister posted this link on his social media to encourage people not to spend money learning nonsense defense.



    Agree on the Cowboy fight. Donald is a slow starter and Conor might be the best 1 round fighter the UFC has ever seen.

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    good info to have when picking upcoming fights


     
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Lol Ivanov 30-27 and two judges Sikai 29-28.

    How can they be that far off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Lol Ivanov 30-27 and two judges Sikai 29-28.

    How can they be that far off?
    #TheFixIsIn
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Woodleys career is over

    #laterfag
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Suga show. What a KO.

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    So Suga asks for the contract renegotiation he was previously promised, as well as 100K instead of the 50K bonus for that KO, and at the same time, Jorge Masvidal was coming on Sportscenter with Kenny Mayne talking about the UFC offering him LESS money for the title fight than they did for the fugazi diaz belt. Talks about the fighter share of the revenue, compares it to other sports, etc.

    This was the week where The Athletic released all the articles and polls from their fighter survey, and the vast majority now know the vast majority want some sort of collective bargaining, and how much of revenue the UFC pays, etc. Also, The Athletic also laid off more than half their MMA staff, which sucks ass, because they were easily the best bunch of mma writers in one place ever.

    Weird times. Fighters feeling empowered a bit.

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    Chase Hooper is a snack and a half.

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    Sterling just said in his post fight interview “you better win yo fight cause I’m cumming in yo ass”
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Is it possible the UFC is in trouble? Bones wants released. Vacated light heavyweight belt. Cejudo retired, vacated bantamweight and featherweight belts. BMF belt holder Masvidal wants released. No one even cares Miocic is heavyweight champ. And now Connor McGregor announces his 3rd retirement. UFC just spent billions on an island and none of the champs carry any real star power. Khabib is a emotionless drone. Tony Ferguson seems human. No one will even fight Ngannou that matters. Nunes has no challengers on the women’s side. I’m a huge fan but right now seems like a really low time. Possible collective bargaining on the horizon?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post
    Is it possible the UFC is in trouble?
    I guess it depends on what you mean by "trouble." Certainly not financially in trouble, not now. They get guaranteed money for every show from ESPN no matter how shitty, they get paid for every PPV as if it sold about 500K buys under the old system, they are locked into this deal for 6 more years, and they pay their fighters under 20% of their revenue. They are making money hand over fist right now without even having a live gate.

    It's a lot like the WWE right now. Consider those guys. They get paid SO much for TV, guaranteed money, that by the nature of not having to travel and do live house shows right now (they tape their shows in their own building in Florida rn, much like UFC runs in their own building in Vegas), they are making even more money than if they had to run their regular schedule of shows. They are financially bulletproof, for the next bunch of years, even though their ratings keep going down.

    The only way either of these 2 companies gets in any trouble at all is if the TV landscape crashes completely, and even then, we've never seen live sports tv money go anywhere but up in our lifetime.

    It really is a bad time for a top fighter like Bones to ask for huge money, tho, when there's no live gate. Same with Conor, he won't be fighting in an empty arena any time soon, because he's not gonna take the haircut that comes along with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSA View Post
    Chase Hooper is a snack and a half.
    You'll be able to feed him through a straw if someone doesn't teach him to move his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jsearles22 View Post
    Is it possible the UFC is in trouble?
    I guess it depends on what you mean by "trouble." Certainly not financially in trouble, not now. They get guaranteed money for every show from ESPN no matter how shitty, they get paid for every PPV as if it sold about 500K buys under the old system, they are locked into this deal for 6 more years, and they pay their fighters under 20% of their revenue. They are making money hand over fist right now without even having a live gate.

    It's a lot like the WWE right now. Consider those guys. They get paid SO much for TV, guaranteed money, that by the nature of not having to travel and do live house shows right now (they tape their shows in their own building in Florida rn, much like UFC runs in their own building in Vegas), they are making even more money than if they had to run their regular schedule of shows. They are financially bulletproof, for the next bunch of years, even though their ratings keep going down.

    The only way either of these 2 companies gets in any trouble at all is if the TV landscape crashes completely, and even then, we've never seen live sports tv money go anywhere but up in our lifetime.

    It really is a bad time for a top fighter like Bones to ask for huge money, tho, when there's no live gate. Same with Conor, he won't be fighting in an empty arena any time soon, because he's not gonna take the haircut that comes along with that.

    Is there anything to stop the fighters from forming a union? It seems like thats where this is headed. All major sports have a players union. As you mentioned the UFC isnt paying fighters shit. If big name after big name after big name keeps balking eventually something has to change right?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    pat barry tried to get behind the whole union thing and they ended his career and salted the earth under the careers of all who declared allegiance to his cause.

    this narrative feels cyclical at this point.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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