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    Canadian arrested for not providing phone password to airport staff

    Anything happen like this in USA? What is the law? I've heard of having to boot up laptops before but not being forced to turn over your cellphone.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...port-1.2982236


    A Quebec man charged with obstructing border officials by refusing to give up his smartphone password says he will fight the charge.

    The case has raised a new legal question in Canada, a law professor says.

    Alain Philippon, 38, of Ste-Anne-des-Plaines, Que., refused to divulge his cellphone password to Canada Border Services Agency during a customs search Monday night at Halifax Stanfield International Airport.

    Philippon had arrived in Halifax on a flight from Puerto Plata in the Dominican Republic. He's been charged under section 153.1 (b) of the Customs Act for hindering or preventing border officers from performing their role under the act.

    According to the CBSA, the minimum fine for the offence is $1,000, with a maximum fine of $25,000 and the possibility of a year in jail.

    Rob Currie
    Rob Currie is the director of the Law and Technology Institute at the Schulich School of Law. (CBC)

    Philippon did not want to be interviewed but said he intends to fight the charge since he considers the information on his phone to be "personal."

    The CBSA wouldn't say why Philippon was selected for a smartphone search.

    In an email, a border services spokesperson wrote, "Officers are trained in examination, investigative and questioning techniques. To divulge our approach may render our techniques ineffective. Officers are trained to look for indicators of deception and use a risk management approach in determining which goods may warrant a closer look."​

    Rob Currie, director of the Law and Technology Institute at the Schulich School of Law at Dalhousie University, said that under Canadian law, travellers crossing the Canadian border have a reduced expectation of privacy.

    He said border officials have wide-ranging powers to search travellers and their belongings.

    "Under the Customs Act, customs officers are allowed to inspect things that you have, that you're bringing into the country," he told CBC News. "The term used in the act is 'goods,' but that certainly extends to your cellphone, to your tablet, to your computer, pretty much anything you have."

    Philippon has been released on bail, and will return to court in Dartmouth on May 12 for election and plea.

    Not tested yet in court

    Currie said the issue of whether a traveller must reveal a password to an electronic device at the border hasn’t been tested by a court.

    "This is a question that has not been litigated in Canada, whether they can actually demand you to hand over your password to allow them to unlock the device," he said. "[It's] one thing for them to inspect it, another thing for them to compel you to help them."

    Currie said the obstruction case hinges on that distinction.

    "[It's] a very interesting one to watch."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Anything happen like this in USA?
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    In the US they can ask the password for any device (and anything encrypted) but you don't have to give it to them. After that they can seize any device for further inspection for a few days to forever.

    Passwords for mobile devices are more of a formality than anything else though.

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    I know they can ask you to turn on and use the device to prove that it is not something other than what it represents itself to be. Looking through the information on the device is not permitted without a warrant.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Anything happen like this in USA? What is the law?
    We have a document called the Constitution which contains a provision that "guarantees" us protection from unlawful searches and seizures by government officials. However, everyone got scared and stopped caring about that about 14 years ago.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SrslySirius View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Anything happen like this in USA? What is the law?
    We have a document called the Constitution which contains a provision that "guarantees" us protection from unlawful searches and seizures by government officials. However, everyone got scared and stopped caring about that about 14 years ago.
    IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]

    The problem with the 4th amendment is that the word "unreasonable" is used. This will mean different levels of concern to different people in different times and areas. The 4th amendment can only get smaller from when it was enacted into law.
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    Different rules at the border and it has pretty much always been so.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/defen...phone-20140102

    "January 2, 2014 A federal court on Tuesday upheld a Homeland Security Department policy that allows authorities at border checkpoints to search laptops and other electronic devices belonging to U.S. citizens and foreigners."

    A lot of things are considered "reasonable" at the border and international airports that are considered "unreasonable" inside the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbertstemple View Post
    Seriously, hail is some scarey shit because it means a tornado is close by.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83
    I'm going to come across as a bit of a douche but I really know more about this then anyone on this board by miles.

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    not gonna lie







    I go out of my way to bust Canadians on Stars in MTTs and often make - EV decisions based solely upon my general loathing of Canada

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    I have actually developed more of an appreciation for Canada and Canadians in general, having traveled there a few times over the past 2 years. I'm actually going to be in Canada again this fall.

    There are some idiotic laws there (especially related to border crossing), but the US is no picnic with that either. Taxes are way too high, but at least I don't pay most of that as a tourist. It does have much lower crime than the US, so that's a plus.

    The weather is a huge minus, though. Unlike the US, which has every climate you can imagine, Canada's weather ranges from cold to bitter cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrigan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by herbertstemple View Post
    Seriously, hail is some scarey shit because it means a tornado is close by.
    Turning into a one trick pony aren't you Corrigan?
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    It is clearly stated the man is from from Quebec......say no more.

    And in this neck of the woods we had zero snow this year, warmest in a while. One guy nearby cut his lawn in January. Nice lawn.

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