IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

[Belly Buster]

Username of the cheater is "KuntyKunter".

Kuntmissioner is this true?

[Belly Buster]

1) His friend, who had a pair of 8s after the third draw, tried to bluff the cheater. The cheater called him with a pair of 6s (a bad hand), which was shocking. Then the cheater again called his friend bluffing with 8s, this time holding a pair of 7s. So not only did the cheater call twice while holding a pair, but both times he called with a pair that was slightly lower (i.e. better) than the guy bluffing him.

This is hugely suspicious - because when the cheater is bet in to in this spot, he should just go ahead and raise. The other guy can't call with 88, so you take the pot without a showdown. (Calling with 88 in triple draw is like calling with 3 high in Hold'em)

It's like they wanted to get caught, or are totally totally totally totally totally clueless.

[FRANKRIZZO]

I would appreciate if you or Drex (or Druff) would comment on the OP's comments about the play. I have only played 2-7 triple draw about 3 times and have no room to comment on the play.

Drex is the better 2-7 player than me, but I'll give it a shot.

For those of you that don't know, in 2-7 triple draw, you are trying to make the lowest possible 5-card hand (23457, no flush), and you have three drawing rounds to improve your hand.

In addition to attempting to avoid flushes and straights (which are terrible for obvious reasons), you also need to avoid pairs. If you finish with a pair in your hand, there is a good chance you have the worst hand.

Regarding the drawing, that can be a giveaway that your hand is weak. That is, if you "stand pat" and don't draw anything, you either like your hand or are trying to fool your opponent into thinking you like your hand. If you are drawing something like 3 cards, then your hand is obviously bad, and it's rare that all 3 cards will combine to make your hand good.

A common strategy in 2-7 triple draw is to hammer your opponent who is drawing a lot, assuming that he isn't likely to improve to like his hand much, and you can bet him off his hand without making much yourself. This is the holdem equivalent to betting when checked to, but with an additional dimension.

Going back to what this guy was saying....

He complained of the following (I will refer to his opponent has "the cheater", even though cheating hasn't been proven yet):

1) His friend, who had a pair of 8s after the third draw, tried to bluff the cheater. The cheater called him with a pair of 6s (a bad hand), which was shocking. Then the cheater again called his friend bluffing with 8s, this time holding a pair of 7s. So not only did the cheater call twice while holding a pair, but both times he called with a pair that was slightly lower (i.e. better) than the guy bluffing him.

2) John Locke (the accuser) noticed his opponent was hyper-aggressive, but oddly got super passive or foldy whenever John made a hand, no matter how many cards he drew. In one case, John drew 3 cards and the cheater just drew 1. John lucked out and improved to 2357x on his first draw (a great hand at this point, but his opponent should assume he is super weak), and tried to check-raise. Oddly the cheater checked back despite only drawing 1. Any good/aggressive player is auto-betting there in position when his opponent draws 3 and he only draws 1 card.

3) In another spot, John came within 2 spots of 23457 after the second draw after drawing two cards, with the cheater only drawing 1. John checked, and the cheater checked -- again peculiar for an aggressive player. When John bet the river after lucking into making 23457, the cheater folded.

4) When both players were drawing 1 card (referred to as a "1-1 spot"), the cheater was always getting hyperaggressive if John paired up. In one case, the cheater value bet king high after John's hand worsened by drawing one and getting an ace.

John has over 2,000 posts on 2+2. I think I believe that he was being cheated there.

The question is who did it, and how.

While it's possible that a screengrabber trojan was installed onto the victims' computers (thereby not being SWC's fault), it's also very possible that the cheater cracked the system or the RNG in some way.

For SWC management to stonewall them on the results of the investigation is bullshit, and highly suspicious.

Why wouldn't it be possible that someone from the site is doing the actual cheating and this is the reason they are stonewalling? I mean we don't know who the owners are who the devs are. Its the prime and ultimate way to cheat, with nothing known about the sites management and it gives them not only a lot of opportunity but also temptation that may be too high to ignore considering the circumstances.

[zealanddonk]

Drex is the better 2-7 player than me, but I'll give it a shot.

For those of you that don't know, in 2-7 triple draw, you are trying to make the lowest possible 5-card hand (23457, no flush), and you have three drawing rounds to improve your hand.

In addition to attempting to avoid flushes and straights (which are terrible for obvious reasons), you also need to avoid pairs. If you finish with a pair in your hand, there is a good chance you have the worst hand.

Regarding the drawing, that can be a giveaway that your hand is weak. That is, if you "stand pat" and don't draw anything, you either like your hand or are trying to fool your opponent into thinking you like your hand. If you are drawing something like 3 cards, then your hand is obviously bad, and it's rare that all 3 cards will combine to make your hand good.

A common strategy in 2-7 triple draw is to hammer your opponent who is drawing a lot, assuming that he isn't likely to improve to like his hand much, and you can bet him off his hand without making much yourself. This is the holdem equivalent to betting when checked to, but with an additional dimension.

Going back to what this guy was saying....

He complained of the following (I will refer to his opponent has "the cheater", even though cheating hasn't been proven yet):

1) His friend, who had a pair of 8s after the third draw, tried to bluff the cheater. The cheater called him with a pair of 6s (a bad hand), which was shocking. Then the cheater again called his friend bluffing with 8s, this time holding a pair of 7s. So not only did the cheater call twice while holding a pair, but both times he called with a pair that was slightly lower (i.e. better) than the guy bluffing him.

2) John Locke (the accuser) noticed his opponent was hyper-aggressive, but oddly got super passive or foldy whenever John made a hand, no matter how many cards he drew. In one case, John drew 3 cards and the cheater just drew 1. John lucked out and improved to 2357x on his first draw (a great hand at this point, but his opponent should assume he is super weak), and tried to check-raise. Oddly the cheater checked back despite only drawing 1. Any good/aggressive player is auto-betting there in position when his opponent draws 3 and he only draws 1 card.

3) In another spot, John came within 2 spots of 23457 after the second draw after drawing two cards, with the cheater only drawing 1. John checked, and the cheater checked -- again peculiar for an aggressive player. When John bet the river after lucking into making 23457, the cheater folded.

4) When both players were drawing 1 card (referred to as a "1-1 spot"), the cheater was always getting hyperaggressive if John paired up. In one case, the cheater value bet king high after John's hand worsened by drawing one and getting an ace.

John has over 2,000 posts on 2+2. I think I believe that he was being cheated there.

The question is who did it, and how.

While it's possible that a screengrabber trojan was installed onto the victims' computers (thereby not being SWC's fault), it's also very possible that the cheater cracked the system or the RNG in some way.

For SWC management to stonewall them on the results of the investigation is bullshit, and highly suspicious.

Why wouldn't it be possible that someone from the site is doing the actual cheating and this is the reason they are stonewalling? I mean we don't know who the owners are who the devs are. Its the prime and ultimate way to cheat, with nothing known about the sites management and it gives them not only a lot of opportunity but also temptation that may be too high to ignore considering the circumstances.

You mean they are setting up a savvy guy like Micon as a patsy, unpossible!

[TheXFactor]

Micon is scheduled to be sentenced on November 3rd 2015. (Tomorrow)

Will Micon get probation or time in prison?

[sonatine]

Stacking up hard on probation. Kids been keeping a low profile.

[BeerAndPoker]

He better at least walk in with a freshly washed and ironed Hoosiers Rock shirt.

[DRK Star]

Isnt it about time that another Drone shop was "robbed"?

[Sanlmar]

The kid skates. Well played. Light regulation or light justice?

NOVEMBER 3, 2015
Vegas man gets probation, fine in illegal online poker case

A Las Vegas professional gambler and former operator of the bitcoin online poker site "Seals with Clubs" was fined $25,000 and placed on up to two years of probation on Tuesday after pleading guilty to a criminal charge of operating an unlicensed interactive gambling system.

Bryan Micon, 37, also surrendered 3.0996 in bitcoin credits, another $900 in cash and more than six computers after returning to Nevada in June from the Caribbean island nation of Antigua as part of a plea agreement reached in July.

Clark County District Court Judge Kerry Earley told Micon he faces up to 2½ years in state prison if he violates terms of his sentence.

Micon spoke only to tell the judge he understood. He could have faced up to 10 years in state prison and a $50,000 fine.

Defense attorney Richard Schonfeld told the judge Micon planned to complete his probation in Las Vegas and move with his family to Antigua to take a job in the technology office of a newspaper there.

Nevada gambling regulators and state Attorney General Adam Laxalt announced in April that Micon was sought on a warrant in what they called the first-of-its-kind state-level prosecution dealing with bitcoin and illegal Internet gambling. Laxalt declared that Nevada would protect its reputation as leader in casino regulation.

Bitcoin currency isn't backed by any government. Its use enables Internet transactions without banks and provides anonymity that authorities say provides a method for money laundering and illegal drug sales.

Nevada officials said Micon operated his site for almost a year and went to Antigua after investigators obtained a warrant and searched his home in February.

The website sealswithclubs.eu went inactive after offering players a chance to retrieve bitcoin balances.

Online gambling occupied a legal gray area until a federal crackdown in 2011. Later that year, the U.S. Justice Department said online gambling except sports betting was legal, as long as it was permitted on the state level.

Nevada, New Jersey and Delaware have legalized the practice among players who log in within their state lines.

Several other states are considering adopting laws to allow online games.

[Dan Druff]

Expected result at this point.

But why didn't the article mention swcpoker.eu?

Also, he's going to take a job at an Antiguan newspaper when his probation is up? Huh? How does he know that the job will still be open to him in 2 years? Weiiiiiiiiiird.

The article also doesn't mention his job at Drones Plus.

So... I wonder what the terms of his probation are.

I'm sure it includes standard stuff, such as not getting in trouble for anything else while on probation. And I'm sure it states he can't operate any illegal gambling sites, or be part of them in any way.

But what else? I have a feeling that he is NOT banned from casinos.

Do the probation terms state that he cannot go on social media and talk about the "oppressive government" related to this case?

And will he start talking on social media again and even restart DD Radio?

I predict he will remain mostly quiet while on probation, and then will go crazy again with anti-government rhetoric once he's safely off probation and back in Antigua.

[Sanlmar]

So... I wonder what the terms of his probation are.

And will he start talking on social media again and even restart DD Radio?

I predict he will remain mostly quiet while on probation, and then will go crazy again with anti-government rhetoric once he's safely off probation and back in Antigua.

He's entitled to free speech. Obv lay off direct comment on his trial & probation. Strike while he is in the news and get back in the saddle (radio).

Round him up Druff and give him a forum.

[sonatine]

A 25k hit is no small thing.


In before kickstarter shenans...

[Forum Wars]

Also, he's going to take a job at an Antiguan newspaper when his probation is up? Huh? How does he know that the job will still be open to him in 2 years? Weiiiiiiiiiird.

LOL. It's currently the main news story on the front page of the only Antiguan newspaper I think there is, the Antuguan Daily Observer (antiguaoberserver.com). Something strange is going on here...I believe that Micon's "set something up", casino/bitcoin/otherwise with that country and we'll be hearing more and more about it over time.

[unchainedghost]

Expected result at this point.

But why didn't the article mention swcpoker.eu?

Also, he's going to take a job at an Antiguan newspaper when his probation is up? Huh? How does he know that the job will still be open to him in 2 years? Weiiiiiiiiiird.

The article also doesn't mention his job at Drones Plus.

So... I wonder what the terms of his probation are.

I'm sure it includes standard stuff, such as not getting in trouble for anything else while on probation. And I'm sure it states he can't operate any illegal gambling sites, or be part of them in any way.

But what else? I have a feeling that he is NOT banned from casinos.

Do the probation terms state that he cannot go on social media and talk about the "oppressive government" related to this case?

And will he start talking on social media again and even restart DD Radio?

I predict he will remain mostly quiet while on probation, and then will go crazy again with anti-government rhetoric once he's safely off probation and back in Antigua.

You think he has to pee in a cup with regularity now?

[Dan Druff]

Expected result at this point.

But why didn't the article mention swcpoker.eu?

Also, he's going to take a job at an Antiguan newspaper when his probation is up? Huh? How does he know that the job will still be open to him in 2 years? Weiiiiiiiiiird.

The article also doesn't mention his job at Drones Plus.

So... I wonder what the terms of his probation are.

I'm sure it includes standard stuff, such as not getting in trouble for anything else while on probation. And I'm sure it states he can't operate any illegal gambling sites, or be part of them in any way.

But what else? I have a feeling that he is NOT banned from casinos.

Do the probation terms state that he cannot go on social media and talk about the "oppressive government" related to this case?

And will he start talking on social media again and even restart DD Radio?

I predict he will remain mostly quiet while on probation, and then will go crazy again with anti-government rhetoric once he's safely off probation and back in Antigua.

You think he has to pee in a cup with regularity now?

At least maybe he'll get another shot at making a viral video out of it.

But no, since this has nothing to do with drugs, I don't think it will require any drug testing.

[Forum Wars]

The article also doesn't mention his job at Drones Plus.

The article on VegasInc.com confirms that he's got that job for now...also the last two paragraphs glean a bit more interesting info:

- could have been three years probation, but "Schonfeld argued that Micon has responded to the charges against him responsibly" and the judge chose two years.

- Micon will purportedly need to stay within the confines of Nevada for his entire probation period of two years.



Bitcoin poker site operator gets probation

By J.D. Morris Tuesday, November 3, 2015 - 11:26 a.m.

The Las Vegas man who pleaded guilty to running an illegal online gambling website that used Bitcoin was sentenced today to a maximum of two years’ probation.

Bryan Micon agreed in District Court to also pay a $25,000 fine and surrender certain items that authorities seized from him, among other conditions. He will avoid jail time as a result of the plea he entered in July.

Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt announced in April that his office was pursuing legal action against Micon in a case that officials characterized as a first for the state. Micon was charged with one felony count of operating an unlicensed interactive gaming system due to his involvement with the poker website Seals with Clubs, which allowed players to gamble with Bitcoin, the alternative currency.

Micon’s felony can be reduced to a gross misdemeanor once he successfully completes probation.

After his home was raided by state authorities in February, Micon and his family left the United States for Antigua, a Caribbean island with a reputation for friendliness toward online gaming. Micon has said they were already planning to go there.

But Micon returned to Nevada once charges were filed against him, and his attorney Richard Schonfeld said today that Micon would remain in the state for as long as he was on probation.

District Court Judge Kerry Earley considered whether to sentence Micon to a maximum of two or three years’ probation. She chose two after Schonfeld argued that Micon has responded to the charges against him responsibly and wishes to return to Antigua for a job opportunity after he serves his sentence. Until then, he is employed by a drone store in Las Vegas.

[dwai]

Bryan micon is god.

[Pooh]

Expected result at this point.

But why didn't the article mention swcpoker.eu?

Also, he's going to take a job at an Antiguan newspaper when his probation is up? Huh? How does he know that the job will still be open to him in 2 years? Weiiiiiiiiiird.

The article also doesn't mention his job at Drones Plus.

So... I wonder what the terms of his probation are.

I'm sure it includes standard stuff, such as not getting in trouble for anything else while on probation. And I'm sure it states he can't operate any illegal gambling sites, or be part of them in any way.

But what else? I have a feeling that he is NOT banned from casinos.

Do the probation terms state that he cannot go on social media and talk about the "oppressive government" related to this case?

And will he start talking on social media again and even restart DD Radio?

I predict he will remain mostly quiet while on probation, and then will go crazy again with anti-government rhetoric once he's safely off probation and back in Antigua.

Who fuckin cares to all of your questions regarding Micon.

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

Can all 50 of you "obv going to jail" tards admit you were wrong now?

[DRK Star]

I think the most valuable lesson to be learned from this is, that when you fuck up, make sure you invest in the best, most connected attorney