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    Mini Trip Report Carnival Poker Pro

    Took a 5 day cruise out of Miami on Carnival to the Bahamas. Great weather. I always enjoy them. 2-3000 people all looking to get ripped and have a good time. Food, weather, good shows.

    Took a quick spin through the casino. As expected all the table games were terrible. Blackjack tables paid 6:5 on a blackjack, for instance.

    Saw one Poker Pro table. One lonely $1/$2 game. Railed it for a while. I have never seen Poker Pro in the flesh before.

    Decided to sit in. No cash. You deposit via your cruise "Sail & Sign" card. Multi purpose card used for on board purchases, ID & room key.

    Players use these cards to make selections on the Poker Pro screen. Input is far quicker and precise using the card edge than your finger. So the cards are obvious to everyone. I began scouting the cards and cypher'd out who the heavy hitters were (gold VIP etc).

    I saw players with a little "Cheers" square printed on the card. I asked the player what that was. "I paid $208 up front for up to 15 free drinks a day. Lol. BINGO

    Cruises are all about drinking. The cruise personal are hustling the $8 drinks hard. Yet the casino manager was constantly offering the table free drinks. Unheard of. Unlike land based casinos - there are no free drinks in the casino.

    So the table is hammered and friendly. Couple heavy hitters (clearly identifiable) playing well under their comfort zone. Couple min buyin nits.

    Poker Pro is the nuts.
    No dealer fumbling with cards. Hands per hour were great for live poker. Play was lightning fast.
    No tipping the dealer every winning hand.
    Did I mention free drinks?
    No fumbling with chips & cash.
    No dopes holding up game buying chips from dealer.
    All the tells and chatter and fun of live play

    When you left table, you cashed out winnings back to the card. When you sat back in - later in the day or whatever - you could buy in with your huge stack

    This game was playing pretty big for $1/$2 by day 3. Loose. Friendly. Lots of awful "I know I'm beat but I'll call you anyway"

    I never had more fun playing poker in my life!. I can't put my finger on it but my impression was that Poker Pro on cruises were a poor play. I am back in a heart beat.

    The table game dealers live on board ship. Food, housing, salaries. Poker Pro is guaranteed bank for comparatively little expense. Casino manager was pimping the poker table with free drinks etc. Clearly, they want this presence to grow.

    Hope it does.

     
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    did your cell phone company try to charge you like 2k for data when you got like 1 second out of the us

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol wow View Post
    did your cell phone company try to charge you like 2k for data when you got like 1 second out of the us
    No shit. Been hammered before. Cancelled international roaming, shut off phone and passed on the $129 for wifi.

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    i got hit for 6 k in 2013 and i called before hand BAE LIKES HIS PANDORA but it was a hassle getting it done

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    I could never figure out the rake on the poker pro machine, and no one I asked could tell me.

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    The rake on those machines is terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible. Like they will rake some pots $25.

    I determined it's -EV even if the players are awful, which they actually were when I played it in 2009 and 2011 on a Princess cruise.

    One thing you can do (presuming Carnival works the same way as Princess) is just keep buying in chips, and then trade them for cash. Then use your credit card to pay the cruise bill, and you will earn points/miles/whatever. This worked because there wasn't a fee for buying chips on this machine, while all other machines would charge you 3%.

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    When I returned from my cruise people would ask how the trip was and eventually we would start chatting about the casinos and poker.

    Folks in Florida regard cruises the same way people in Southern California regard a day trip to Disneyland. So I heard from a number of people who had a varying experiences on different lines.

    Turns out that the rake for the epoker machines varies from cruise line to cruise line (and even ship to ship within the same cruise line)

    Norwegian rakes 10% up to $25. Wow.

    My particular Carnival ship was 10% up to $6.. I think it was rounded up at every $5 in the pot to the next quarter. (No rake 3 handed or less. I think the casino manager could massage the settings). Carnival has a reputation for being the best with rake.

    I heard the rake was a little more on other Carnival ships. It varied.

    The others cruise lines are all in between.

    You cannot discount tips on winning hands! Dan. Tipping dealers in live games is a subject I have not seen discussed. I always have - more out of peer pressure & social convention than because I am a generous baller. Nevertheless, this ROI leak is not present at the Pro Poker table.

    It occurred to me that what I experienced was what my poker experience online in 2002-3 must have been.

    The notion of "earning a living" or making "significant money" playing poker never really occurred to me or the rest of the low limit players competing with me. It was just something new and fun. It was little more than exciting entertainment for most.

    That is what it was like on board.

    There is a social atmosphere to the casino on a ship. It is a place to gather after dinner and before a show or night club. You see people from dinner or the beach. People throw down bets to impress girlfriends and wives. There are no kids with headphones and hoodies. No miserable rounders with bad hygiene.

    The poker players were just splashing around and drinking. Sure they wanted to win but there was little energy spent thinking about the game. Lotta limped pots all around. Any raise under $10 was called all around. I almost never saw a 3-bet or a C-bet. Lol, C-bets were snap called by the table all around. That kid usually quickly gave up.

    I saw people calling who couldn't figure out how to get their cards to turn up on their display.

    People called with ANY draw for almost any price. Very few bet their draws.... and on and on.

    It was often the same 5-6 players with random drop ins often for $20 min buy in, LOL. The occasional drunk would drop in & buy in max, fire like a nut trying to run over table, spew a few buy ins then leave.

    Players discussing their hands both in play and afterward. It was a damn home game. Drinking and talking about their excursion that day.

    You just have to get deep and punish with value.

    One of the biggest advantages to the low limit Poker Pro table was the fact that players could rebuy instantly with two or three clicks on the screen. No walk of shame to the ATM - perhaps rethinking their decision to keep playing.

    It was the easiest game I have played in a decade. The most fun too.

    I hope you don't pass up the opportunity next time Druff. Take a trip back to 2002, for nostalgia's sake.

    Mike: I can beat the game.
    Knish: Maybe. Maybe this is a game can be beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    When I returned from my cruise people would ask how the trip was and eventually we would start chatting about the casinos and poker.

    Folks in Florida regard cruises the same way people in Southern California regard a day trip to Disneyland. So I heard from a number of people who had a varying experiences on different lines.

    Turns out that the rake for the epoker machines varies from cruise line to cruise line (and even ship to ship within the same cruise line)

    Norwegian rakes 10% up to $25. Wow.

    My particular Carnival ship was 10% up to $6.. I think it was rounded up at every $5 in the pot to the next quarter. (No rake 3 handed or less. I think the casino manager could massage the settings). Carnival has a reputation for being the best with rake.

    I heard the rake was a little more on other Carnival ships. It varied.

    The others cruise lines are all in between.

    You cannot discount tips on winning hands! Dan. Tipping dealers in live games is a subject I have not seen discussed. I always have - more out of peer pressure & social convention than because I am a generous baller. Nevertheless, this ROI leak is not present at the Pro Poker table.

    It occurred to me that what I experienced was what my poker experience online in 2002-3 must have been.

    The notion of "earning a living" or making "significant money" playing poker never really occurred to me or the rest of the low limit players competing with me. It was just something new and fun. It was little more than exciting entertainment for most.

    That is what it was like on board.

    There is a social atmosphere to the casino on a ship. It is a place to gather after dinner and before a show or night club. You see people from dinner or the beach. People throw down bets to impress girlfriends and wives. There are no kids with headphones and hoodies. No miserable rounders with bad hygiene.

    The poker players were just splashing around and drinking. Sure they wanted to win but there was little energy spent thinking about the game. Lotta limped pots all around. Any raise under $10 was called all around. I almost never saw a 3-bet or a C-bet. Lol, C-bets were snap called by the table all around. That kid usually quickly gave up.

    I saw people calling who couldn't figure out how to get their cards to turn up on their display.

    People called with ANY draw for almost any price. Very few bet their draws.... and on and on.

    It was often the same 5-6 players with random drop ins often for $20 min buy in, LOL. The occasional drunk would drop in & buy in max, fire like a nut trying to run over table, spew a few buy ins then leave.

    Players discussing their hands both in play and afterward. It was a damn home game. Drinking and talking about their excursion that day.

    You just have to get deep and punish with value.

    One of the biggest advantages to the low limit Poker Pro table was the fact that players could rebuy instantly with two or three clicks on the screen. No walk of shame to the ATM - perhaps rethinking their decision to keep playing.

    It was the easiest game I have played in a decade. The most fun too.

    I hope you don't pass up the opportunity next time Druff. Take a trip back to 2002, for nostalgia's sake.

    Mike: I can beat the game.
    Knish: Maybe. Maybe this is a game can be beat.
    I agree with everything you said here. We discussed this topic briefly years ago. Everyone staunchly believes that the rake cant be beat. But as Sanlmar highlighted there is no $1/pot tip, no $1/drink tip, no bad beat drop, etc. So $6 max out of pots that easily and routinely get huge (considering its $1/2). As I mentioned in this old thread, I made over $2000k really just playing ABC punish when I had a hand poker. On a cruise I went on in May of this year the poker table only worked one night and then froze up and was done for the remainder of the cruise. I felt like I got one outed on the river. I literally walked by to check and see if the table was magically working 3-4x a day for the rest of the week.

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    Our work is done here Jsearles. Debunking the myth.

    I approached the table having heard the same chatter about the game not being beatable. It's worth a look and can be a huge opportunity in the right spot and at the right rake.

    I have walked away from Norwegian games without a second thought. Norwegian sucks. They are always on the make to hijack your wallet. Just gotta take this opportunity to bad mouth them.

    Carry on gentlemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Our work is done here Jsearles. Debunking the myth.

    I approached the table having heard the same chatter about the game not being beatable. It's worth a look and can be a huge opportunity in the right spot and at the right rake.

    I have walked away from Norwegian games without a second thought. Norwegian sucks. They are always on the make to hijack your wallet. Just gotta take this opportunity to bad mouth them.

    Carry on gentlemen.
    I've talked about these machines on here through the years as I'm a south Florida guy who does go out on cruises 2-3 times a year. They are FUCKiNG GOLD. Princess and Carnival have $6 max rake and anyone who plays poker more then once every two weeks should be able to crush one of these games. I've made as much as 2k over a week before.

    Edit: $25 max rake is stupid and I wouldn't play that either. That said I've only seen $6 Max in my experience.

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    What sort of age range are the people on these cruise's? My parents love them but didn't start till their 60's. Do you pay for all your alcohol upfront? or everytime you want a drink. And do you wait for the better half to go to bed before gambling? There would be murders if I just fucked her off and went to the casino.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUUP View Post
    What sort of age range are the people on these cruise's? My parents love them but didn't start till their 60's. Do you pay for all your alcohol upfront? or everytime you want a drink. And do you wait for the better half to go to bed before gambling? There would be murders if I just fucked her off and went to the casino.
    Age range is literally 18-90. There are all ages and everyone is having a good time. Alcohol is not paid for up front, it is one of the few things that isnt included. And it flows like water, but then you get a huge bill at the end!

    On cruises I get laid probably 3-4x as often as usual. I never get it twice a day at home but on the cruise its not uncommon to do it in the morning and then again in the afternoon once we get back on the ship after the excursion. Sometimes after a nice dinner and drinks too (never 3x in a day, you know what I mean). My wife personally loves to sleep too so she could care less if she goes to bed at midnight and I go play cards until 4:00am. As long as Im up and ready to go at 9:00 or so.
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    I agree that a $6 max rake can be beat, provided the players are awful enough.

    Sadly, it was 10% up to a max of $25 on the Princess cruises I took. I haven't found the machine on either of my Norwegian cruises, but apparently it's the same awful rake, according to Sanlmar.

    I will say that the opponents on the Princess cruises were literally the worst NL opponents I've ever faced.

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    I will say that I have heard awful things about Carnival.

    Namely, the food is terrible, the passengers are drunk and obnoxious, and that the whole thing is basically a low-end experience.

    Sounds like you had a good time, Sanlmar, but I don't think I would want to take a Carnival cruise, especially since I don't drink.

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    I have been on Norwegian, Royal and Carnival. I could not imagine going on one without being sedated with alcohol. And a lot of it. You are with people that do not have any etiquette. For instance:

    1) People will continually not allow you to leave an elevator before entering and bumping into you as you leave. Usually its foreigners who speak no English and white trash who are on their first vacation in 5 years

    2) Many obese people go on an eating orgy and act like they have not eaten in months. These people take a half hour in the buffet line towering their plate with 2000 calories and asking the staff unnecessary questions on how they can actually get fatter. Meanwhile people like myself are waiting endlessly just to make it up to the single portion we would like to get. Gluttony galore

    3) There is always an entertainment director on board who thinks he is funny when he is not, also making unnecessary announcements all day and saying stupid shit that is already in the program guide they leave in your room every day

    4) I have rarely been entertained by all this great entertainment they claim. The Vegas style production shows they tout are flat out awful most of the times. And the comedians are very hit or miss. I usually find myself getting bored by day #3 on a seven day cruise, especially at night. Basically they get the entertainment that has been rejected by Las Vegas, Miami, LA, etc...Or it's definitely the entertainment probably at the end of their career

    5) Taking tenders to a port, I simply do not have the patience for these. You have to sit there sometimes up to an hour before the boat leaves listening to people make stupid fucking jokes that are not funny. Here again, no etiquette, rather than talk quietly you get the random assholes that think they are funny and make sure everyone hears them. Not to mention the heat on these tenders, sometimes waiting to leave its 98 degrees with stifling humidity

    6) The food is the general dining room generally sucks. I always find myself paying to eat in the Steakhouse @ $40 a head just to break the cycle of eating the same recycled shit they serve in the general dining room, which is cheap steak, cheap fish and crap appetizers

    7) Not sure about the poker. Every time I tried to play there was a slot tournament 5 feet a way with someone on a microphone giving play by play of some group of older ladies feverishly swatting the machines with other people screaming behind them, so I have to leave before I start puking

    8) I always have a sense of empathy when I leave a cruise for the crew. They work every day with never a day off for 10 months at a time. Their reward? They get two months off without pay. Many people treat them like shit and they just have to take it.

    I do not think I will ever take another cruise. They are all the same to me and require two times the legal limit by noon just to function as a passenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUUP View Post
    Do you pay for all your alcohol upfront? or everytime you want to drink?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I saw players with a little "Cheers" square printed on the card. I asked the player what that was. "I paid $208 up front for up to 15 free drinks a day. Lol. BINGO
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    I never heard of the drink deal before. $8 bucks a crack. Adds up fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I will say that I have heard awful things about Carnival.

    Namely, the food is terrible, the passengers are drunk and obnoxious, and that the whole thing is basically a low-end experience.

    Sounds like you had a good time, Sanlmar, but I don't think I would want to take a Carnival cruise, especially since I don't drink.
    This isn't a high end luxury resort experience. This isn't 5 days at Canyon Ranch.

    You ever go to a college football game Druff? It's a raucous time & there is drinking. The Carnival cruise is rather similar.

    I work at home. Wife works for her family's business during the day. I easily drift into the life of a shut in/recluse. I am like those grinders who play poker online 10-12 hours a day alone. I am one hell of a guy and can think of no one I'd rather spend the day with than me. Ha!

    Yeah, I am a sick fuck and need to get out more.

    Lol. I just saw this GrubHub television commercial. Final line in ad says, "order online for free and never talk to a human being". My god, I am your target audience. Fucking funny ad.



    So we went down Naples to survey the flooding and check the house. Wife booked this trip out of Miami while we were down there. Perhaps not my first choice. Wife loves crowds.

    Miami is were old cruise ships go to die.. There is a reason the cruise was cheap. Royal Carribean's Oasis of the Seas isn't sailing out of Miami to the Bahamas. (Was in New Jersey yesterday and saw ads for the new Quantum of the Seas - sounds amazing - main port is NJ apparently)

    You gotta approach this thing like a trip to Disneyland with drinking and bikinis. Life isn't all 5 Star resorts. I just totally surrender to the thing and I talk up the guy who just elbowed me in the elevator. Yeah, the tenders could try your patience but you gotta engage the crowd not fight it. People are funny and just looking for a laugh.

    I love the dining room where you are assigned to a table of 10. Older couple, newlyweds, gay couple, Detroit Minister & wife. Would never have met these people otherwise and the dinner conversation was fantastic.

    Even these cheap cruises are a lot of fun if you choose to embrace the crowd. Tremendous people watching. You can't be a snob and enjoy this. It's only 4-5 days. Relax.

    I gotta laugh about the 3-4x sex comment from Jsearles. Sun, booze and nearly naked people all day. Kid is right.

    Everyone is on upper deck waiting for departure from the port of Miami. Let's get this party rolling... 2 hours late the ship finally releases the lines from the dock. WTF.

    I have learned you never get any info from the Captain. Got a lot of stories. The ship could be on fire and you would only learn of it by turning on CNN in your stateroom.

    Investigation continues after man falls to his death on Carnival ship
    According to cruise line spokeswoman, the Ecstasy was pulling into PortMiami when the unidentified 20-year-old man entered a restricted area and climbed the ship's forward mast.

    He fell about 25 feet and landed on the deck below. Police said the man's fall was the equivalent of two decks of the ship.


    Yeah, I am sure no alcohol was involved.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I will say that I have heard awful things about Carnival.

    Namely, the food is terrible, the passengers are drunk and obnoxious, and that the whole thing is basically a low-end experience.

    Sounds like you had a good time, Sanlmar, but I don't think I would want to take a Carnival cruise, especially since I don't drink.
    There is a hierarchy when it comes to cruise lines. Carnival is the discounted party boat. If thats what you are looking for then its perfect. I'm more of a middle age family guy so I'm more of Princess or Royal Caribbean guy myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I will say that I have heard awful things about Carnival.

    Namely, the food is terrible, the passengers are drunk and obnoxious, and that the whole thing is basically a low-end experience.

    Sounds like you had a good time, Sanlmar, but I don't think I would want to take a Carnival cruise, especially since I don't drink.
    There is a hierarchy when it comes to cruise lines. Carnival is the discounted party boat. If thats what you are looking for then its perfect. I'm more of a middle age family guy so I'm more of Princess or Royal Caribbean guy myself.
    Well, that's me too. I long ago learned not to fight the wife. She's the type who wants to hit the malls on Black Friday after Thanksgiving just to mix it up with the crowds.

    FML

    She still thinks she's 22 and loves this sort of thing.

    Where are you in Fla, Daly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth View Post
    1) People will continually not allow you to leave an elevator before entering and bumping into you as you leave. Usually its foreigners who speak no English and white trash who are on their first vacation in 5 years
    I've never noticed this happening, and I've been on a lot of cruises.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    2) Many obese people go on an eating orgy and act like they have not eaten in months. These people take a half hour in the buffet line towering their plate with 2000 calories and asking the staff unnecessary questions on how they can actually get fatter. Meanwhile people like myself are waiting endlessly just to make it up to the single portion we would like to get. Gluttony galore
    Buffets are sometimes overcrowded on cruises, but I'm not seeing an issue with people piling up plates of food. It's just crowded because the ship has thousands of people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    3) There is always an entertainment director on board who thinks he is funny when he is not, also making unnecessary announcements all day and saying stupid shit that is already in the program guide they leave in your room every day
    Agree. The cruise director is usually obnoxious and annoying. However, the cruise director can be avoided by just staying away from shows, or leaving at the end before he/she starts speaking.



    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    4) I have rarely been entertained by all this great entertainment they claim. The Vegas style production shows they tout are flat out awful most of the times. And the comedians are very hit or miss. I usually find myself getting bored by day #3 on a seven day cruise, especially at night. Basically they get the entertainment that has been rejected by Las Vegas, Miami, LA, etc...Or it's definitely the entertainment probably at the end of their career
    Partially true. Yes, these shows are inferior to what you will see in Vegas or New York, but some of them are decent. They don't cost any money, so you can always walk out if they suck. BTW, the new megaships (the ones that carry 4,000 passengers) have massive theaters and high-budget productions. But I think they cost extra to attend.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    5) Taking tenders to a port, I simply do not have the patience for these. You have to sit there sometimes up to an hour before the boat leaves listening to people make stupid fucking jokes that are not funny. Here again, no etiquette, rather than talk quietly you get the random assholes that think they are funny and make sure everyone hears them. Not to mention the heat on these tenders, sometimes waiting to leave its 98 degrees with stifling humidity
    I also hate tenders, but for a different reason. There is a long wait for them (especially leaving the ship in the morning), and also they are not always operated safely, as often they are contracted out to third-world locals. In Belize, I was honestly afraid the boat was going to sink because it was so overloaded.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    6) The food is the general dining room generally sucks. I always find myself paying to eat in the Steakhouse @ $40 a head just to break the cycle of eating the same recycled shit they serve in the general dining room, which is cheap steak, cheap fish and crap appetizers
    Where is it $40? The highest upcharge I've seen is $30. But this is definitely worth doing. The specialty restaurants are WAY superior to the main dining room, which tends to serve tasteless food. The specialty restaurants are also much less crowded and quieter. On my last Norwegian cruise, I bought a pass for $119 that allowed me to dine in unlimited specialty restaurants. Totally worth it. Anyone who eats in the main dining room is a fool. That's the wrong place to skimp.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    7) Not sure about the poker. Every time I tried to play there was a slot tournament 5 feet a way with someone on a microphone giving play by play of some group of older ladies feverishly swatting the machines with other people screaming behind them, so I have to leave before I start puking
    Cruise ship casinos are terrrrrrrrrrrible and should be avoided. Rake is ridiculously high in all tournaments (and cash poker), and the blackjack rules are awful.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    8) I always have a sense of empathy when I leave a cruise for the crew. They work every day with never a day off for 10 months at a time. Their reward? They get two months off without pay. Many people treat them like shit and they just have to take it.
    I agree. These people also work ridiculously long hours and get terrible pay. They do it because they get free room and board, so they can basically incur almost zero expenses, and then ship the money home to their families. I always try to treat the staff well on these cruises, unless they are intentionally rude to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seth
    I do not think I will ever take another cruise. They are all the same to me and require two times the legal limit by noon just to function as a passenger.
    Cruising isn't for everyone, but it can be enjoyable if you do it right.

    There are three big advantages of cruising:

    1) You can see a lot of places without having to pack, unpack, drive long distances, or take airplanes.

    2) You can see areas which are hard or impossible to reach by land or plane.

    3) Provided you understand the pricing model and how to spend efficiently, you can get a great value and travel fairly cheaply.


    The main trick is to avoid paying for extras. Arrange your own shore excursions. Don't shop onboard. Curtail your drinking (or don't do much of it), and bring whatever alcohol of your own on board that they allow. Stay out of the casino. Also, learn to understand how the pricing works, and buy your stateroom at the optimal time. You can pay a fraction of what others paid for the same room just by waiting until 14-50 days before the cruise and snagging it at a huge discount.

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    There is a hierarchy when it comes to cruise lines. Carnival is the discounted party boat. If thats what you are looking for then its perfect. I'm more of a middle age family guy so I'm more of Princess or Royal Caribbean guy myself.
    Well, that's me too. I long ago learned not to fight the wife. She's the type who wants to hit the malls on Black Friday after Thanksgiving just to mix it up with the crowds.

    FML

    She still thinks she's 22 and loves this sort of thing.

    Where are you in Fla, Daly?
    Happy wife happy life. So long as she isn't dragging you out every day of the year...

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