Ultimatepoker New jersey out the door

[Nikki]

New Jersey Status: Notice to all players: We regret to inform you that Ultimate Gaming has terminated its agreement with Trump Taj Mahal Associates LLC. As a consequence we will be closing our Ultimate Casino (www.ucasino.com) & Ultimate Poker (www.ultimatepoker.com) businesses in New Jersey. We are no longer accepting new deposits and are planning to cease play in the near future. Please go to your account and withdraw any balances you may have by following the normal withdrawal procedures.We will update the website with new information as it becomes available. If you have any further inquiries please contact Player Care: Live chat (11AM – 3AM EST) | email. We thank you for your support and are very sorry that we are not able to continue to serve you in New Jersey

[Dan Druff]

New Jersey Status: Notice to all players: We regret to inform you that Ultimate Gaming has terminated its agreement with Trump Taj Mahal Associates LLC. As a consequence we will be closing our Ultimate Casino (www.ucasino.com) & Ultimate Poker (www.ultimatepoker.com) businesses in New Jersey. We are no longer accepting new deposits and are planning to cease play in the near future. Please go to your account and withdraw any balances you may have by following the normal withdrawal procedures.We will update the website with new information as it becomes available. If you have any further inquiries please contact Player Care: Live chat (11AM – 3AM EST) | email. We thank you for your support and are very sorry that we are not able to continue to serve you in New Jersey

Interesting.

At least they have their wildly successful Ultimate Poker Nevada room to bank on, with its 65 average cash players on the site.

[BeerAndPoker]

UP NJ was getting blown out of the water and never really got it's foot on the ground anyways. They were averaging around 30 players according to pokerscout which the info don't go back too far but I remember always seeing the site way down the list.

With only that many people playing poker you can bet the online casino games weren't making much either compared to Party NJ or WSOP NJ.

Off topic but Bodog/Bovada has now passed Full Tilt Poker on pokerscout too for the #5 room in the world.

[Dan Druff]

As much as I hate their anonymous games, I might redeposit back on Bovada and give their games another shot. The games get better during NFL season.

I was the biggest LHE winner there in 2010, but I haven't played there in a few years.

[BeerAndPoker]

As much as I hate their anonymous games, I might redeposit back on Bovada and give their games another shot. The games get better during NFL season.

I was the biggest LHE winner there in 2010, but I haven't played there in a few years.

Anon games suck especially for limit but any plans of attack people may think they have on you are wiped away too.


Bovada has at least two 30/60 limit games going at the moment that I can see and many nights I have seen over 4 running. I say "that I can see" because they hide all the full lobby's trying to not let sites like Pokerscout see them which is LOL.

I hate it more for the fact they don't have a waiting list option even if it just takes you to the first available table at the stake you want that would be better then forcing you to stare in the lobby for a table to appear with 5/6 players and then hopefully beat out others trying to grab that seat.

[pavoe]

Microgaming also has no waiting lists (and anon tables). Yes it can take away some attention off the tables you are already playing but overall it makes the games better IMO.
Not sure if there are scripts out there that could auto seat you as soon as a seat gets open but in most cases I have my screen filled up pretty quickly without such a script.

I like both, no waiting lists and anon tables (I am totally aware of the risks involved with anon tables).

[big dick]

As much as I hate their anonymous games, I might redeposit back on Bovada and give their games another shot. The games get better during NFL season.

I was the biggest LHE winner there in 2010, but I haven't played there in a few years.

what was your old screen name druff?

[Dan Druff]

As much as I hate their anonymous games, I might redeposit back on Bovada and give their games another shot. The games get better during NFL season.

I was the biggest LHE winner there in 2010, but I haven't played there in a few years.

what was your old screen name druff?

I don't want to say publicly, but I will tell you privately if you PM me. (If you know, please don't post it.)

I was almost exclusively a 30/60 LHE player, and reliably won a lot there every month in 2010. Black Friday actually hurt a lot despite the fact that Bovada wasn't directly affected by it. A lot of good players from Stars/Tilt came over, and the games got much tougher. That, plus I ran worse, plus I didn't keep a big roll on there and it was hard to redeposit. I decreased play a lot, and left for good when the anon tables came.

I incurred the wrath of a lot of 5-10 NL players there because the etiquette at those games was far different than the limit games. At the limit games, bumhunting and seat-hopping was not only accepted, it was common practice for everyone. This wasn't just at Bodog, but in every LHE game everywhere since at least 2001. Apparently NL players frowned upon both of these things, so I immediately got on their bad side. I will say that I learned some things about NL cash play from those players, however. I was making limit-player-at-NL mistakes like always C-betting the flop, and the NL guys hated me so much that they made fun of me for those mistakes, and thus I learned. I didn't play NL all that much there, though -- usually only when I saw a fish sitting.

Who were you there? If you played 5-10 NL there, you probably hated me.

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

As much as I hate their anonymous games, I might redeposit back on Bovada and give their games another shot. The games get better during NFL season.

I was the biggest LHE winner there in 2010, but I haven't played there in a few years.

what was your old screen name druff?

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[Steve-O]

UP NJ was getting blown out of the water and never really got it's foot on the ground anyways. They were averaging around 30 players according to pokerscout which the info don't go back too far but I remember always seeing the site way down the list.

With only that many people playing poker you can bet the online casino games weren't making much either compared to Party NJ or WSOP NJ.

Off topic but Bodog/Bovada has now passed Full Tilt Poker on pokerscout too for the #5 room in the world.

Ultimate never averaged 30 players to my knowledge (maybe an outlier week here and there, but never consistently), they were consistently around 15-20 for the first few months and have been dipping ever since. from 16, to 12, to 10, to 8, and now they have been listed as 0.0 for a good 6-8 weeks.

Their rev. #'s were dropping as well, back in March they peaked with $100k GGR for poker, and that's dropped to $23k in August ($25k in July). Should also be noted that their online casino revenue was the worst in the market, but roughly on pace with Golden Nugget (trending upward) and Trump Plaza (closed). YTD they were the worst performing casino, and other than Betfair's poker room (which I'm not sure even really exists) they were the bottom in poker.

They were also hemorrhaging money on promotions and if I had to ballpark it I would bet New Jersey was a solid eight-figure misstep. Factor in that Trump Taj got a significant cut of any revenue as the license holder (probably somewhere between 15%-25% based on what I know of other arrangements in the market) and The Taj apparently stiffed them on their last 2 months payments as well and owes UG $1.5 million.

Quite frankly the best thing that ever happened to UG was Trump Ent/trump Taj going bankrupt, as it gave them a clean out in New Jersey.

Also, don't put too much stock into pokerscout's Bovada/Bodog numbers, it could be even higher or it could be lower, there is really know way to tell, I think they just go by tables open and punch it into an algorithm based on historical data. Bodog has said pokerscout's #'s for them are laughable -- but it should be noted Bodog and pokerscout hate each other

[BeerAndPoker]

^^^ - Pokerscout isn't perfect but one thing is for sure whether a site has 15 players or 30 in the online poker world that is super shitty.