Originally Posted by
ShadyJ
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This hand annoyed me its typical bad play thinking. Im not going to go into $ amounts because its not that important.
I just read about this hand with Negreanu in the One drop event. Im assuming everyone playing is at least a solid thinking player.
Hand goes like this Doc sands raises pre David Polk (99) (Dont know him) calls from lp and DN (QQ) 3 bets like 3.5x from sb Doc folds DP calls.
Flop 2s 6h 2c
DN leads out a little less then 1/3 pot. DP Calls.
Turn As
DN Checks DP bets 10% pot DN calls
River 6d goes check check
Pretty standard except the guy who wrote about it said if DP bets bigger on turn or tried again on river DN might have folded. Thats typical Donk thinking.
Think about it what hands that include an ace would have flatted pre then flatted the 3bet pre then called flop bet?
He might flat pre with suited aces but would have folded when DN popped except for maybe aq (2 blockers) or ak, but then we have to assume he wouldnt have 3bet pre with ak in lp against an aggro player who actually opened with j9o.
Even if we assume all that would he have floated the flop with 2 overs maybe and a bdfd at best? Highly doubtfull. His hand was really face up as a pocket pair and DN knows that.
The Ace isnt really a scare card to DN but a chance to extract more from a pp. By checking he lets villian try to rep a hand he cant have because at this point he knows he has to bet to win. Either DN has the Ace or a higher pp.
Conclusion this was written how an overcard is a scare card but in reality it wasnt except to bad players who dont know how to think about hands.
Daniel played the hand right, but I don't agree the hand was face up to him.
I have seen many players flat with AQ and AJ, and then call a raise behind. I don't like that at all, because you are dominated, but that's what many of them do.
So David Polk either had a PP (in which Daniel was way ahead unless Polk had the unlikely 66 or 22) or an ace. So it was a traditional case of way ahead or way behind, in which the best play is to let your opponent bet for you. (This was the mistake I made myself at the Main, firing the turn on that hand where I hit the Q when I had AQ and flop was 233).
However, if Polk shows some brass balls and bets substantially on both streets, DN would have to think about it, and wonder if the guy was indeed way behind, or just made an idiot flat on the flop with Ace-overcard (or had the fluke 66/22).
If this was a decent player, then I agree DN could probably eliminate all suited aces except maybe AQ/AJ, but I don't know htis Polk guy, and maybe you couldn't eliminate things like A9s, ATs, etc.