Just wanted to get you anti science fruit cakes on the record. What's Druff's position on this issue?
Come on all you right wing sympathizers get in here and own it.
Just wanted to get you anti science fruit cakes on the record. What's Druff's position on this issue?
Come on all you right wing sympathizers get in here and own it.
man is 100% fucking up the planet
It's absurd to think that man isn't having an effect on this planet.
Druff will somehow toe the party line here though.
"You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
Both sides pick and choose what science fits their agenda.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...ine-denialism/
:freelewfather
There is less man-made pollution now in the US than any time since the industrial revolution began.
As already stated here, until the third world gets on board with controlling their pollution, anything the first world does is mostly inconsequential.
Welcome back to FPS_Russia after a long time off the forum, btw.
That's just a pretty flawed take. Sure what China does affects everyone in the long term, but what we do here affect us here and now, and in the future, a lot more. Pollution makes death rates go up, shorts life expectancy, fucks up child development, etc... Even without any type of climate change, protecting the air and water from pollution should always a concern, because it greatly affects quality of life on almost every level.
I'm talking about pollution affecting things on a global scale, which seems to be the point of this thread.
We have already come a LONG way on "local" pollution issues. As I said, the air and water are cleaner now in the US than any time since the industrial revolution started. In the '70s and '80s we used to have stage 3 smog alerts in LA during the summer all the time. You never see them anymore.
It's more about the solutions proposed that do zero to control pollution but somehow a government controlling body gets a cut of the action. Many of the voluntary actions that nations like Australia and China had agreed to have more or less backed away from because the price of commerce goes too far north and you end up with job losses that people won't tolerate from elected officials that are supposed to represent the people, not their own 'agendas'.
Good thing we have bunch of pseudo-experts in climate change here to sort out the implications for us.
Originally Posted by abrown83
There is no doubt that we have fucked up our planet, but after recently listening to a joe Rogan podcast with guest Randal Carlson http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall-carlson I am more concerned.
He was very interesting and explaines that global warming is way better than global cooling and that the co2 that we are producing is helping the faster than normal growth of forests and plants. He has a lot of unusual theories that make you think about what is happning to our planet.
So far I have found my self on the belief that it will be difficult to reverse what we have done.
all hail Hydra
Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.
I remember the stats not to long ago that America was responsible for 25% of the worlds polution while only having 4% of the worlds population.
No doubt that has changed now with the rise of India & China. But it's a bit hypocritical for developed countries to now cry foul because these poorer nations are now in a position to do what we've been doing for decades.
Why should they now slow down their development after western countries have almost sucked the earth dry?
If you're a leader or citizen in one of these developing countries, and are getting lectured to by nations who have already built much of their wealth through the earths natural resources. Then they're obviously going to tell these nations to fuck right off.
Edit: The stats don't lie. India has 4 x the population of the USA. Yet the USA produces 4 x more greenhouse gasses than India.
Prior to 2007 the United States was the world's biggest polluter, it still however comes not too far behind China producing 5,833 million tonnes of greenhouse gases annually. With one of the world's largest meat industries and largest oil industries the U.S.A consumes 18,690,000 barrels of oil per day, more than any other country. It's population now exceeds 310,383,444 so there is a growing number of people consuming oil for transportation, food production, their homes and their workplaces.*India is the second highest populated country in the world with a population size of 1,139,964,932 people. As a result, the country has a very high carbon output of 1,293 million tonnes. The country is becoming heavily industrialised and is undergoing significant growth in production and exportation. However, this comes with a price as many people including children are exploited as labourers by the large factories and corporations.
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Why has global warming essentially stopped over the past 15-20 years?
If man is truly responsible for global warming, then seemingly there shouldn't be any flat-lining, CO2 emissions have grown steadily for the past half century.
Fools and children
Well, if it's 'man made' climate change you seek, look no further:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/no...nth-on-record/
Graphs and more story here: http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/no...nth-on-record/The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, criticized for manipulating temperature records to create a warming trend, has now been caught warming the past and cooling the present.
July 2012 became the hottest month on record in the U.S. during a summer that was declared “too hot to handle” by NASA scientists. That summer more than half the country was experiencing drought and wildfires had scorched more than 1.3 million acres of land, according to NASA.
According to NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in 2012, the “average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during July was 77.6°F, 3.3°F above the 20th century average, marking the warmest July and all-time warmest month on record for the nation in a period of record that dates back to 1895.”
“The previous warmest July for the nation was July 1936, when the average U.S. temperature was 77.4°F,” NOAA said in 2012.
This statement by NOAA was still available on their website when checked by The Daily Caller News Foundation. But when meteorologist and climate blogger Anthony Watts went to check the NOAA data on Sunday he found that the science agency had quietly reinstated July 1936 as the hottest month on record in the U.S.
“Two years ago during the scorching summer of 2012, July 1936 lost its place on the leaderboard and July 2012 became the hottest month on record in the United States,” Watts wrote. “Now, as if by magic, and according to NOAA’s own data, July 1936 is now the hottest month on record again. The past, present, and future all seems to be ‘adjustable’ in NOAA’s world.”
What happened to the world running out of fossil fuels as has been predicted since I was a kid? Won't that help?
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