Lol @ fuckin Snowden. Maybe before claiming he was a spy he should have learned a thing or two about what they do, exactly

[sonatine]

http://www.businessinsider.com/body-...terview-2014-5


BODY-LANGUAGE EXPERT: I Would Not Trust Anything Snowden Said To NBC

MICHAEL B. KELLEY

MAY 30, 2014, 4:11 PM 129,817 215
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Before Edward Snowden's interview with NBC's Brian Williams, body-language expert Dr. Nick Morgan considered Snowden a young guy who got a hold of a bunch of classified documents and was just telling his story about exposing intrusive American surveillance.

"I came away [from the NBC interview] with a very different impression," Morgan, a top U.S. communication theorist and best-selling author, told Business Insider. "As a body-language expert, I'd say this is a disingenuous performance, which surprised me."

Morgan said that although it's difficult to pick up physical cues from a stranger on TV, a few aspects of the "second conversation" between the former NSA systems administrator and Williams stood out.

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"Snowden's stance is open to Brian Williams," Morgan said. "His legs are much wider than Brian's." The effect is that Snowden's body is "embracing" Brian, who sat cross-legged during the interview. Morgan noted that legs are harder to control than other cues, such as hand movements, so it came off as either genuinely deliberate or trained.

At the same time Snowden "is subordinating himself to Brian, allowing him to be the alpha male in the room" by slanting his head as he receives questions and slumping in his chair.

"In addition, his shoulders are a bit slumped forward," Morgan said, noting that it also seemed intentional. "The overall effect is to keep his head and torso lower than Brian's."

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The pitch of Snowden's natural voice is probably a tenor, Morgan said, "and the pitch [during the interview] is lower to sound more authoritative. The result, to me, is fake ... manufactured."
Morgan also noticed that while Snowden was nervous — signaled by the ways he swallowed and blinked — the Moscow interview seemed very much an intellectual exercise because his "passions weren't engaged."

A particularly telling moment came when Brian Williams asked Snowden, "What is your relationship with the host government?" Morgan, who didn't previously know that Snowden's Moscow lawyer is a Putin loyalist linked to the FSB, was struck by Snowden's lack of eye contact and the slowing of his voice as he denied having any relationship with the Kremlin.

"He was obviously lying," Morgan said.

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Further, a clear physical signal stood out to Morgan after Williams said, "People are going to find it hard to believe that President Putin hasn't taken a run at you or what you know. You can state declaratively that that hasn't happened?"

As Snowden answered, the former CIA technician "hid behind his hands," which Morgan said can mean "thinking, nervousness, self-consciousness, introversion in general."

Morgan stressed that body language, which represents more than half of all communication, "has many meanings" s0 "you have to consider it in context and in groups of gestures."

In Morgan's opinion, Snowden's body language during the NBC interview suggests a "willed performance" by a 30-year-old under immense pressure.

"This is a very smart kid who is trying to be something he's not," Morgan said. "And his body evidence is unconvincing."

The result is that Dr. Morgan, who sympathized with Snowden over the past year, now believes that Snowden is hiding something.

"I wouldn't trust anything the man said," Morgan told Business Insider. "There is something else going on here."

[4Dragons]

Snowden came off as rehearsed and a practitioner of NLP. In other words, he came off like a spy.

For anyone who missed it: http://www.channelcut.tv/watch-nbc-n...edward-snowden

[Crowe Diddly]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

[sonatine]

Snowden came off as rehearsed and a practitioner of NLP. In other words, he came off like a spy.

For anyone who missed it: http://www.channelcut.tv/watch-nbc-n...edward-snowden

False.

He came off like someone primed for an interview by people trying to give weeks if not months worth of training in a number of hours to someone with zero faculties for it and zero background in adjacent disciplines.

[sonatine]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com?

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you.

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.

[4Dragons]

My take on it..

[monsterj]

I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to be a "body-language expert"

[monsterj]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com?

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you.

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.

Not sure if serious...

[DJ_Chaps]

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com?

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you.

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.

Not sure if serious...

He's not. See him call your dollar "stable"? I lol'd

[Crowe Diddly]

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com?

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you.

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.

Not sure if serious...

Some people would definitely give that answer with a straight face, and believe it entirely, meaning every word of it, and ignoring

Is sonatine one of those people? I don't think so, but I'm not him.

[sonatine]

Not sure if serious...

Some people would definitely give that answer with a straight face, and believe it entirely, meaning every word of it, and ignoring

Is sonatine one of those people? I don't think so, but I'm not him.

Honestly tho, who is?

[anonamoose]

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that.

seriously though you're a clueless idiot and talking outside of your own expertise.

[sonatine]

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that.

seriously though you're a clueless idiot and talking outside of your own expertise.

Ok cool but this has been your consistent go-to line every single time someone says something you wish you said, so its unfortunate that you chose such an obvious, documented dynamic to leverage your attention beggary from.

America's military kicks down R&D to its own military and to its military contractors. China etc make no distinction between its military and its private sector so to speak because everyone in fucking China is basically Peoples Liberation Army. No matter who you are and what youre doing, if youre Chinese, you are obligated to harvest R&D and exfiltrate it back home.

Ask Uncle Ho.

That you think we do that is the mating call of frightened, angry neckbeard basement gladiator.

That you'd even try to cherry pick that one comment to launch your 408mike caliber nerd-trolling is far and away the perfect crown jewel on a legacy of shameless shitposting that is wholly and consistently bereft of anything but adolescent contrarian whining.

Go pierce your nose and tell your parents all about it, we are tired of your act. Still.

[rum dick]

Oh wow.

[rum dick]

Now those were some .50 cal headshots. Anonamoose, you should probably just delete your account and start over with a new one. There ain't no coming back from that beatdown.

[sonatine]

He'll be back with more shitposting as soon as soon as his erection dies down.

[DirtyB]

Not sure if serious...

He's not. See him call your dollar "stable"? I lol'd

The past 25 years are about the most stable period that the dollar has ever had.

[Henry]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com?

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you.

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.

hof

[hongkonger]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

police state rep

[hongkonger]

I could give a fuck if he showed up in a clown suit and spoke esperanto. Dude's actions (the trove of docs he leaked) spoke a helluva lot louder than his words ever could. Dude did this country's citizens a great service, and ain't no body language expert gonna change that.

It's also kinda lol for a practitioner of such an inexact science to make definitive statements based upon tv broadcasts, but hey, that's how things are done, I guess. Experts don't sell books talking about 60% likelihoods and "more probable than not" and things.

China has a state run media and a government who provides stolen R&D to its "private sector" to facilitate market advantage. Can't argue with this.

So do most of the other prime adversaries.

America does not do that. And since we have no longer maintain any competitive manufacturing advantage on the global stage, thanks in no small measure to the extent of China's relentless theft of our R&D material, we rely on surveillance to facilitate our ongoing financial objectives. Actually it's because of cheap/slave labor, but even China is starting to get expensive. The real cost-cutting trailblazers are setting up shop in Myanmar, Laos and Bangladesh.

Did you notice how no one gave a fuck when Snowden dropped his docs, outside a bunch of bong-sloppy white kids and Upworthy.com? And people who care about the Constitution and privacy and not ending up like 1984.

Thats because our ongoing financial objectives benefit 80% of the civilizations on the planet.

When you start seeing Germany close down our embassy, you can pop that yang about how dirty we play the game.

In the meantime, you're welcome. You're welcome for a stable dollar. You're welcome for gas costing 60% less than its market appropriate rate. You're welcome that your fucking supermarkets are stacked to the ceiling with goods that cost a fraction of what they would cost if those gas prices corrected and the shipping companies passed on that expense to you. You're not exactly wrong but you do realize this is living on borrowed time, right?

So have another fucking bong hit and let the grownups run whats left of this shitburg of a planet.