PPA Letter to Lock Poker Demanding Player Repayment

[haleylh]

I suspect all the player activism played a role, but CardPlayer shouldn't get any credit for this, for sure.

All this forgets one other possibility: that CP also received one of the cease-and-desist letters from the NJ DGE about affiliate ads for offshore sites, and they decided it was a great opportunity to pat themselves on the back.

[Steve-O]

I suspect all the player activism played a role, but CardPlayer shouldn't get any credit for this, for sure.

All this forgets one other possibility: that CP also received one of the cease-and-desist letters from the NJ DGE about affiliate ads for offshore sites, and they decided it was a great opportunity to pat themselves on the back.

Unlikely since Cardplayer doesn't advertise legal sites in NJ and they still prominently display Bovada and Carbon. The letters were only sent to licensed affiliates in New Jersey who were advertising both licensed and unlicensed rooms.

straight from the DGE: http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/124...iliate-letter/

The letter was signed by New Jersey Assistant Attorney General George N. Rover and was sent to some of the most well-known affiliate websites in the industry: CardsChat.com, PokerSource.com, RakeBrain.com, Pokersites.com, RaketheRake.com, and one unnamed site.

Either Lock stopped paying CP or they felt their continued relationship was hurting business; I'd lean towards the former

[TheEngineer]

I suspect all the player activism played a role, but CardPlayer shouldn't get any credit for this, for sure.

All this forgets one other possibility: that CP also received one of the cease-and-desist letters from the NJ DGE about affiliate ads for offshore sites, and they decided it was a great opportunity to pat themselves on the back.

Hi Haley,

They still run Bovada ads. I had someone in NJ check last night (just prior to posting here) to see if they're geo-blocking. Nope....they run those in NJ too. So, while we should surely keep an eye on it, I don't think it's based on the NJ warning.

[Steve-O]

All this forgets one other possibility: that CP also received one of the cease-and-desist letters from the NJ DGE about affiliate ads for offshore sites, and they decided it was a great opportunity to pat themselves on the back.

Hi Haley,

They still run Bovada ads. I had someone in NJ check last night (just prior to posting here) to see if they're geo-blocking. Nope....they run those in NJ too. So, while we should surely keep an eye on it, I don't think it's based on the NJ warning.

Just confirmed, CP is not on NJ Vendor list, they are not authorized to promote licensed sites

[alleyrivo]

But the PPA doesn't do anything for the players.

[Sanlmar]

and you seriously wonder why a significant number of poker players out there despise you?

If they didn't form a group focused on dealing with rogue sites, they must not despise us as much as you think. And, as you didn't bother to IM me on this issue and send me updates and draft letters, you may not be quite as passionate about this as you believe.

I live and breathe this fight, and have given a great deal to it. If someone looks at me with hatred, that's something I cannot control. I know I've done my part.

Why don't you offer some of the accomplishments you are most proud of this year.

You were hardly out front with Lock.

[JohnCommode]

Could The Engineer answer approximately how much money the PPA has received in contributions in the name of Lock Poker and/or their senior management since the PPA was formed?

[haleylh]

Could The Engineer answer approximately how much money the PPA has received in contributions in the name of Lock Poker and/or their senior management since the PPA was formed?

Probably none, but in breaking news, the PPA has publicly released a letter they just sent to R.J. Reynolds Co. asking them to put health warnings on packs of cigarettes.

[Sanlmar]

I don't begrudge anyone for finding a gig to feed the family.

Engineer has had a pretty long run @ PPA. Latched on to one of the last paying gigs in poker. GG

Haley, how much does our hero pull down from PPA annually?

He doesn't go out on a limb - I hope you will, dear.

[haleylh]

I don't begrudge anyone for finding a gig to feed the family.

Engineer has had a pretty long run @ PPA. Latched on to one of the last paying gigs in poker. GG

Haley, how much does our hero pull down from PPA annually?

He doesn't go out on a limb - I hope you will, dear.

I don't know how much he makes -- lobbyists don't generally share that info. I'd guess he makes $100,000 to $125,000 annually but that is -absolutely- a shot in the dark.

FWIW, Muny probably did have some influence in getting partial refunds for red pros in the FTP remission, which was announced yesterday. It didn't hurt that he was a "Friend of Full Tilt" himself and probably had some funds that were being held there. I mean, Rich does play some, but when I think of poker pros, his name doesn't come to mind.

[TheEngineer]

Could The Engineer answer approximately how much money the PPA has received in contributions in the name of Lock Poker and/or their senior management since the PPA was formed?

$0

[TheEngineer]

I don't begrudge anyone for finding a gig to feed the family.

Engineer has had a pretty long run @ PPA. Latched on to one of the last paying gigs in poker. GG

Haley, how much does our hero pull down from PPA annually?

He doesn't go out on a limb - I hope you will, dear.

I was an unpaid volunteer until a few months after Black Friday. I made more as an engineer, FWIW.

[TheEngineer]

I don't know how much he makes -- lobbyists don't generally share that info. I'd guess he makes $100,000 to $125,000 annually but that is -absolutely- a shot in the dark.

I'm not a lobbyist and I'm certainly not in it for the money.

FWIW, Muny probably did have some influence in getting partial refunds for red pros in the FTP remission, which was announced yesterday. It didn't hurt that he was a "Friend of Full Tilt" himself and probably had some funds that were being held there.

I resigned from Friends of Full Tilt shortly after Black Friday, in protest. I guess I had karma on my side, as I received my remission in June. Being that I wasn't a 'red' at the final tally, I wasn't a red for remission purposes. So, it wasn't about me.

I mean, Rich does play some, but when I think of poker pros, his name doesn't come to mind.

I was playing full time prior to Black Friday. I play limit hold'em, so I certainly wasn't a "name" player, but I played a solid game and kept up with the other limit hold'em reds just fine.

[Dan Druff]

I had no idea you were a LHE player.

Curious who you were on FTP and especially Stars.

[TheEngineer]

I had no idea you were a LHE player.

Curious who you were on FTP and especially Stars.

I played under my own name at FTP. I didn't play Stars for real money (though I sure hope to in the future).

[TheEngineer]

If they didn't form a group focused on dealing with rogue sites, they must not despise us as much as you think. And, as you didn't bother to IM me on this issue and send me updates and draft letters, you may not be quite as passionate about this as you believe.

I live and breathe this fight, and have given a great deal to it. If someone looks at me with hatred, that's something I cannot control. I know I've done my part.

Why don't you offer some of the accomplishments you are most proud of this year.

I helped shut down an attack on our game by Cheri Jacobus and some clown who hired her. Haley was quite awesome there as well.

PPA and the Poker Daily Action Plan did awesome grassroots work on social media, keeping the pressure on lawmakers. PPA has also been strong lobbying on the Hill. And, that's just this year.

How about your accomplishments? You know, PPA didn't sign on to do the work for the poker community. Rather, PPA is there for all of us to organize, so we can fight for our rights with one voice. If you don't look at the current environment and feel a need to do anything, then in all honesty that's really not my problem. My goal is to help organize those who wish to fight back.

You were hardly out front with Lock.

We've warned the membership several times this year and will continue to do so. I get attacked each time I mention then, but I'll still do my part to warn the community just the same.

[Hockey Guy]

You were hardly out front with Lock.

We've warned the membership several times this year and will continue to do so. I get attacked each time I mention then, but I'll still do my part to warn the community just the same.

This year is the issue everybody has.

If you could've written last year you may have been able to deflect that criticism but you couldn't & you can't.

[Sanlmar]

Why don't you offer some of the accomplishments you are most proud of this year.

How about your accomplishments? You know, PPA didn't sign on to do the work for the poker community. Rather, PPA is there for all of us to organize, so we can fight for our rights with one voice. If you don't look at the current environment and feel a need to do anything, then in all honesty that's really not my problem. My goal is to help organize those who wish to fight back.

I made two contributions to PPA years ago. I was motivated and upset as many were over UIGEA and Black Friday.

I am a pretty average online guy. I started like every other Joe. Played on Party Poker, watched WSOP, played live at my local casino. I've read a lot of poker literature, Bluff, Card Player & most every poker hard cover released. I actually find the business and legal history fascinating. Just finished "Alligator Blood" - meh at best.

I still muck around the US facing sites. I don't feel PPA's presence.

That I am a member of PFA demonstrates that I have at least a casual interest in Poker & Food Porn.

PPA is not exactly hitting my radar.

So when I saw your reference to Lock, for instance, my reaction is that PPA has been MIA. I have played on Lock. My understanding of the situation and what it represents was the result of PFA. I NEVER saw ANY input anywhere from PPA on the matter.

"This year" was too late. This was a miss. Nobody's perfect, I guess. I would let this drop. PPA can't fight every fight.

However, I haven't really seen any publicity on nearly any topic from PPA.

I do not see PPA as a vocal advocate. I can't hear you!

I honestly do not have any feeling for what you or PPA are doing on poker players behalf. So I have adopted a cynical view.

I have looked at the PPA site prompted by your posts recently. What is PPA doing & where does the support come? It is a fair question to wonder if you are a paid lobbyist and who funds PPA. It would certainly color your agenda. Perhaps you are fighting specific battles on behalf of specific contributors. If that is the case, that is fine. Quid pro quo. That's cool.

I'm not a lobbyist and I'm certainly not in it for the money.

PPA and the Poker Daily Action Plan did awesome grassroots work on social media, keeping the pressure on lawmakers. PPA has also been strong lobbying on the Hill. And, that's just this year.

Which is it Engineer? I am not a lobbyist - PPA has been doing strong lobbying. Perhaps YOU are not a lobbyist. Perhaps you hire lobbyists. I have no idea. There is no shame in being a lobbyist. Cheri Jacobus is a lobbyist. She may be a very effective one too.

If my failed awareness regarding who PPA is and what PPA is doing is the simple result of my not being an active member privy to some private mailing list then that is your failure.

Your voice is not being heard by me. But maybe that is not PPA's charter.

[shortbuspoker]

Why don't you offer some of the accomplishments you are most proud of this year.

I helped shut down an attack on our game by Cheri Jacobus and some clown who hired her. Haley was quite awesome there as well.

PPA and the Poker Daily Action Plan did awesome grassroots work on social media, keeping the pressure on lawmakers. PPA has also been strong lobbying on the Hill. And, that's just this year.

How about your accomplishments? You know, PPA didn't sign on to do the work for the poker community. Rather, PPA is there for all of us to organize, so we can fight for our rights with one voice. If you don't look at the current environment and feel a need to do anything, then in all honesty that's really not my problem. My goal is to help organize those who wish to fight back.

You were hardly out front with Lock.

We've warned the membership several times this year and will continue to do so. I get attacked each time I mention then, but I'll still do my part to warn the community just the same.

I just saw the alert put out warning the Jews to beware of some guy named Hitler. Glad you guys are on top of things. Seriously though, you were a year late to the party on Lock.

[TheEngineer]

We've warned the membership several times this year and will continue to do so. I get attacked each time I mention then, but I'll still do my part to warn the community just the same.

This year is the issue everybody has.

If you could've written last year you may have been able to deflect that criticism but you couldn't & you can't.

PPA is a political advocacy group. We warn the membership of issues once they're confirmed, but we don't have an audit function where we monitor sites. If you'd like to volunteer for that or anything else, that would be great.