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    If your a High Roller, stay away from Atlantic City

    High-roller claims casinos stuck him with pricey freebies after $100K win

    http://www.nypost.com/2014/04/02/cas...e-won-lawsuit/

    Is this common at most casinos now?

    Looks like it is at the Borgata and the Revel.

    Casino hosts promise certain comps, free rooms, food, drinks, etc., then you win $100K+ they bill you for it anyway.

    I know Atlantic City casinos are really hurting now, so the odds are good that they will try to charge you for "free" comps.

    Gambling in Atlantic City is a...



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    Atlantic City in general is a bad decision.

    I hope he wins millions from them and they are forced to stop this fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    High-roller claims casinos stuck him with pricey freebies after $100K win

    http://www.nypost.com/2014/04/02/cas...e-won-lawsuit/

    Is this common at most casinos now?

    Looks like it is at the Borgata and the Revel.

    Casino hosts promise certain comps, free rooms, food, drinks, etc., then you win $100K+ they bill you for it anyway.

    I know Atlantic City casinos are really hurting now, so the odds are good that they will try to charge you for "free" comps.

    Gambling in Atlantic City is a...
    I have never heard of anything like that in Vegas. It's just bad business. If they win $100k and you bill them for $10k of "comped" stuff, you're still down $90k and they're never going to return. The whole point of comps is to get people to come back and play more negative expectation games.

    Also, nobody in the business would ever say "high roller".

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    What kind of imbecile goes to Atlantic City in general? A girl once told me she went there with her family on vacation, I promptly cut her off after that. Place seems like an absolute hell on earth; abundant with degenerate scum, shitty ocean view, and geriatric patients.
    Last edited by Krypt; 04-02-2014 at 11:21 PM.

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    Just more bad press for Borgata as if they need any more of that right now..i hope they have to pay out a big settlement though that's unlikely I suppose. Can't see them having to do much but pay this dude back for the charges plus maybe a small bit on top. I'd say the press is bad enough for them but really who's going to care.

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    AC is awesome.
    "You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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    I thought casinos only concern themselves with expected value or coin-in, even when dealing with whales. If someone comes in and gambles enough to be up OR down $100k, you should be very happy. Maybe your EV for a trip like that is something like +$50k, so comping the man whatever he wants (within reason) should be a no-brainer.

    There must be some backwards incentives in place for the hosts making them results oriented.

     
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      bukowski72: He probably won the 100K and stopped playing. The casino expects a cretain number or hours of play to get your comps. They don't want people walking in and bettin 50 a hand on 2 hands and quitting if they win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SrslySirius View Post
    I thought casinos only concern themselves with expected value or coin-in, even when dealing with whales. If someone comes in and gambles enough to be up OR down $100k, you should be very happy. Maybe your EV for a trip like that is something like +$50k, so comping the man whatever he wants (within reason) should be a no-brainer.

    There must be some backwards incentives in place for the hosts making them results oriented.
    Don't hosts normally get a piece of your losses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SrslySirius View Post
    I thought casinos only concern themselves with expected value or coin-in, even when dealing with whales. If someone comes in and gambles enough to be up OR down $100k, you should be very happy. Maybe your EV for a trip like that is something like +$50k, so comping the man whatever he wants (within reason) should be a no-brainer.

    There must be some backwards incentives in place for the hosts making them results oriented.
    Don't hosts normally get a piece of your losses?
    I've never heard of that, but I don't work directly with that stuff. Casino marketing in general is focused on getting people into the casino and keeping them there as long as possible. The more often you show up and the bigger your average bet, the greater your "player worth". The only time I've seen actual win/loss involved is giving extra comp offers to people who recently took nasty losses.

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    I think the guy is full of shit.

    I would have believed him if it were just about a single casino, as I've seen really shady/weird things happen before on an individual level. That is, I wouldn't put it past a single casino to do something shady, even if it's unusual or out of the ordinary.

    However, the fact that this highly unusual situation occurred at not one, but TWO unrelated properties, shows me that the guy is very likely either lying or leaving out part of the story.

    First off, he is described in the article as a "blackjack whiz", and right there I call BS. Advantage play is allowed by law in New Jersey (they can't bar you for it), but they can take legal counter-measures such as shuffling-up or dealing only half of the shoe, thus negating your edge. They did this shit to me several times when I was there. There's no chance that they were letting him get away with card counting if he was playing big enough to win $105,000. I think he's just a basic strategy blackjack player.

    If I had to guess, he probably hit and ran both places, and gave very little action. He probably got a soft promise from hosts there that he would get a certain level of comps if he regularly played the limits he promised. Then he started on a hot streak, won a bunch of money, quit, and then spent the rest of the time using the comps that he thought he had.

    There has to be something missing from the story.

    Again, I would totally believe this if it were just one property, as it would seem to me that they realized too late that he was doing advantage play, and then didn't want to give him the comps that he was verbally promised. That would also explain why they wouldn't give a shit if he didn't return as a result of these denied comps -- they don't want players like him, anyway.

    But the fact that this happened twice just really raises red flags to me.

    This guy is also a dumbass if he's doing advantage play and just accepting soft promises from hosts to "charge it to your room and it will be taken care of ". You always should have either a paper comp, a written offer, or charge through the host -- that is, when you buy something, have the place call the host and have him agree to take care of it. This isn't necessary if you're a regular whale, but it is essential to do if you're an advantage player.

     
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      LLL: He's def' leaving something out.

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