Some of these are a stretch, but still an interesting read.
There were some omissions, too, such as singer Amy Grant, producer Mark Cherry, and Oingo Boingo frontman Danny Elfman.
Rapper Eazy E was also leaning more and more conservative before he died.
http://m.zimbio.com/Famous+Republica...ign=Z-Mobile-1
danny elfman is such a strange entry.. i wonder if its just because he makes a unholy amount of money now
Other than a plethora of Hollywood Moonbats, what person of sound mind would even consider associating with the Democratic Party?
Democrats have done more to destroy our great nation than Fidel Castro ever cooked up during his wildest wet dream.
"What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things * every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator. Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."Originally Posted by SixToedPete
It's from the West Wing, but it still kicks ass.
I disagree with about 50% of the things the Democrats do. But I disagree with almost 100% of what the Republicans do. I wish the Green Party weren't a bunch of fuck ups. As it is, Democrats are the only thing protecting us from the Republicans.
Just to set the record straight, Republicans had A LOT to do with Women's Suffrage and Civil Rights, not to mention what happened during the Republican presidency of Lincoln.. Just because today's modern Republican is against a lot of these policies, don't think previous generations of Republicans were the same. Eisenhower intergrated the army and got the Civil Rights movement started, Nixon created the EPA, Teddy Roosevelt passed the Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act, as well as settling the United Mine Workers strike."What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things * every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator. Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."
It's from the West Wing, but it still kicks ass.
I disagree with about 50% of the things the Democrats do. But I disagree with almost 100% of what the Republicans do. I wish the Green Party weren't a bunch of fuck ups. As it is, Democrats are the only thing protecting us from the Republicans.
****EDIT**** Here are some fascinating details regarding the Civil Rights Act vote:
I Bolded the #'s people will like be surprised by
The original House version:[15]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[16]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version:[15]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[15]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
Last edited by Steve-O; 04-16-2012 at 05:58 PM.
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No shit it's from a left-wing TV show broadcast on a left-wing network but it's revisionist history, complete nonsense.
The Republican Party pioneered the right of women to vote. I was born in Worcester, MA, proud city of the first national meeting for the Women's Suffrage Movement, which occurred in 1850. Thanks to Republicans it just got better:
"At the request of Susan B. Anthony, Sen. A.A. Sargent, a Republican from California, introduced the 19th Amendment in 1878. Sargent’s amendment (also known as the Susan B. Anthony Amendment) was defeated four times by a Democrat-controlled Senate. When the Republican Party regained control of Congress in 1919, the Equal Suffrage Amendment finally passed the House in May of that year and in the Senate in June.
When the Amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican legislatures. Of the nine states that voted against ratification, eight were Democratic. Twelve states, all Republican, had given women full suffrage before the federal amendment was ratified."
National Federation Of Republican Women
The Republican Party was founded to abolish slavery and combat inequality. Republicans successfully executed the Civil War then drafted the Constitutional amendments that, for the first time, gave African-Americans the right to vote, access to our judicial system and equality under the law.
As Steve-O pointed out above, Republicans were instrumental in passing the Civil Rights Act. Democrats were the fiercest opponents of ending segregation.
Social Security and Medicare? Neither program would have passed without Republican support. These are both huge government boondoggles that have failed miserably but the fact is many Republicans were key to passing both.
Any serious student of American Political History would recognize that your cute 'LEFT WING' TV drama quote was pure fiction, a complete lie.
However, the NBC moonbats doubled down on the falsehood with another lie:
As far as the rest of your post goes.
It reveals the stupefying reality that you disagree with yourself.
The problem here is that the TV show was referring to Liberals, regardless of party, and sixtoe immediately reads that as "Democrat", even though that's not what it means at all in this context. When you talk about Republicans and women's suffrage, you are talking about Liberal Republicans. Republicans of today can take credit for it being the same party in name, sure, but its hardly the same party in ideology. Political parties can barely hold the same positions for a decade or more, nevermind 150 years.
Republicans use the word "Liberal" as if it is a bad thing by definition, but without a liberal outlook, progress doesn't get made. Liberal doesn't automatically mean Democrat. Maybe sometimes it does in certain contexts, but not in the dialogue DirtyB posted.
He claims to be more libertarian, but he was definitely leaning right when he wrote some of his songs in the early '80s.
He wrote this song "Capitalism" in 1981, and it might as well have been about the recent Occupy Wall Street movement:
And from the same album came "Only a Lad", which mocked liberals who made excuses for violent criminals:There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don't try to make me feel guilty
I'm so tired of hearing you cry
There's nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I'll say it's just fine
There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I'm so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!
If it ain't one thing
Then it's the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother
I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass
You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you
You're just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we've got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .
Johnny was bad, even as a child everybody could tell
Everyone said if you don't get straight
You'll surely go to hell
But Johnny didn't care
He was an outlaw by the time that he was
Ten years old
He didn't wanna do what he was told
Just a prankster, juvenile gangster
His teachers didn't understand
They kicked him out of school
At a tender early age
Just because he didn't want to learn things
(Had other interests)
He liked to burn things
The lady down the block
She had a radio that Johnny wanted oh so bad
So he took it the first chance he had
Then he shot her in the leg
And this is what she said
Only a lad
You really can't blame him
Only a lad
Society made him
Only a lad
He's our responsibility
Only a lad
He really couldn't help it
Only a lad
He didn't want to do it
Only a lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused
His parents gave up they couldn't influence his attitude
Nobody could help
The little man had no gratitude
And when he stole the car
Nobody dreamed that he would
Try to take it so far
He didn't mean to hit the poor man
Who had to go and die
It made the judge cry
Only a lad
He really couldn't help it
Only a lad
He didn't want to do it
Only a lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused
It's not his fault that he can't believe
It's not his fault that he can't behave
Society made him go astray
Perhaps if we're nice he'll go away
Perhaps he'll go away
He'll go away
(Repeat chorus)
Hey there Johnny you really don't fool me
You get away with murder
And you think it's funny
You don't give a damn if we live or if we die
Hey there Johnny boy
I hope you fry!
After reading those lyrics. I understand why Danny Elfman made his bones as a composer and not a song writer.
He should stick to composing, although those rhymes probably originated during his Oingo Boingo days.
BTW Todd, do you read your PMs?
I read my PMs and took the action you asked for.
I understand that since Micon hung you out to dry you fell the need to pick up the slack in the hip-hop discussion but just please do a little research on Eazy E's situation. The conspiracy theories on him are quite interesting too.
Yeah I grew up on The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo; "Capitalism" is a sarcastic dig at Orange County honkey types.
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!
I mean come on.
Oingo Boingo was a LA punk band. They had no conservative leanings. They were big into LSD and stirring the pot and generally being fantastic.
The libertarian angle makes a lot of sense to me but Id really love to hear Danny Elfman explain his reasons behind registering republican, its such an incongruous gesture on his part, I have to wonder if there is some subversive / left-wing activist logic to it.
Cut me a break Todd...He's the biggest Liberal ever elected...
Cut me a break Todd...He's the biggest Liberal ever elected...
I dont understand why people rip on Arnold... Im not that up to speed on Cali politics anymore but he seemed to be doing a great job of implementing fiscal conservatism and ecological conservation when I lived there.
Reading the lyrics of "Capitalism" again, you might be correct about that song sarcastically making fun of those putting down left-winger types. If that's true, however, he accidentally happened upon some valid points, such as the fact that many fanatical left-wing protesters are from rich or upper-middle-class families, living off of Daddy's money.
Yeah I grew up on The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo; "Capitalism" is a sarcastic dig at Orange County honkey types.
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!
I mean come on.
Oingo Boingo was a LA punk band. They had no conservative leanings. They were big into LSD and stirring the pot and generally being fantastic.
The libertarian angle makes a lot of sense to me but Id really love to hear Danny Elfman explain his reasons behind registering republican, its such an incongruous gesture on his part, I have to wonder if there is some subversive / left-wing activist logic to it.
I do have to wonder if "Capitalism" was really a dig against early '80s Orange County Republicans, though, because "Only a Lad" was clearly a song sarcastically making fun of the left's softness on violent crime. Obviously Elfman couldn't have been a fan of the '80s left if he wrote and produced songs like that.
I believe I've seen interviews with him before where he indicates he's a libertarian. If that's true, his "Capitalism" song might be more serious than sarcastic, as most libertarians are staunch believers in the free market, but are more left-leaning on social issues.
Arnold was a weird politician (all adultery with ugly housekeepers aside).
He came into office through a peculiar recall election, where then-incumbent Gray Davis arrogantly dismissed the possibility he could be recalled until it was too late. Davis wasn't as bad as many made him out to be, and he really didn't deserve to be recalled, but he made some pretty big mistakes and was out of touch with the wants and needs of California. His arrogance was also ultimately his undoing, as he dismissed the recall campaign as the ridiculous idea of a fringe politician (not Arnold, who came into the fray later).
Arnold was elected as a Republican and enjoyed a lot of Republican money and support, but he ultimately turned on his own party and beat to his own drum. There's nothing wrong with straying from party lines to do what you feel is right, but Arnold took it to an extreme to where he wasn't a Republican anymore. He was pretty much right in the middle politically (especially by the end), and I felt it was a bit dishonest for him to take Republican money (and electorate support) in order to get in office, and then later show his true colors. This was especially true in his second term. As has already been stated here, it seems that many of Arnold's actions were aimed at reelection and popularity, rather than principles, since a typical Republican won't score a lot of points with many in California.
He wasn't a terrible governor, but he disappointed me in a lot of ways. I haven't really liked any of California's governors since George Deukmejian left office in the early '90s. His successor, Republican Pete Wilson, liked taxes too much, even though his anti-crime efforts (Three Strikes, reinstatement of California's death penalty) should be applauded.
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