*** Official Flying Stupidity Wagering thread ***

[Pickleball]

Don't you think that Bovada has the worst lines of all the sports books (that I am aware of)? They prey on their US customers and jack up the juice on both sides. Maybe the term juice is not correct. For instance, if BOL has the favorite of a game priced at - 140, Bovada will typically have the line at - 150 or - 155. On the underdog, if BOL has the odds at +130, Bovada will typically offer +115. This example pertains to money lines only.

Your observations are good. BOL has very tight lines. My best out in that regard.

Props and live not so great

(resisting urge to dump on Bovada again)

You are spot on regarding BOL's live lines not being the best. Plus at times, they will freeze all betting on the game you want to live bet but when checking another sports book, they are open for the live wagers at the exact same time. Oh yeah, I forgot about BOL's prop lines. They really stick it to their customers compared with other sportsbooks but obviously not all. Unfortunately live in a state where sports betting is illegal. So no Draft Kings and others for me.

[Pickleball]

Has anyone used betopenly.com for sports wagering? The good part about them is it is peer to peer bettng. The winner pays 1% to the website. The bad part about the site is that the majority of their clientel are sharps. It is difficult to find a fish that is posting a bet. You can create a bet as well as well as accept a bet. Their payouts are extremely fast but again I think that the payouts are geared towards crypto. I am not promoting them other than to say that the 1% juice is great. However, I feel like I am sitting down at a Texas Holdem game in Las Vegas and I am the one with the gills and fins. lol

[Dan Druff]

Your observations are good. BOL has very tight lines. My best out in that regard.

Props and live not so great

(resisting urge to dump on Bovada again)

You are spot on regarding BOL's live lines not being the best. Plus at times, they will freeze all betting on the game you want to live bet but when checking another sports book, they are open for the live wagers at the exact same time. Oh yeah, I forgot about BOL's prop lines. They really stick it to their customers compared with other sportsbooks but obviously not all. Unfortunately live in a state where sports betting is illegal. So no Draft Kings and others for me.

Yes, Bovada is horrible for sportsbetting in most cases. Once in awhile they will shade the line so much toward the favorite that you'll get value on the dog side, but not often. Also, if you show any semblance of knowing what you're doing, first you will get a different set of lines (shifted so the non-ploppy side is rarely good value), and then you will get reduced as low as $25/bet. I am completely reduced to $25 at this point, so I don't use them anymore.

BOL's lines are not always sharp. But they're always somewhat close to the lines you'll see at Vegas books. It's important to keep accounts on a few books, so you can always get the best line.

Here are some suggestions of other books:

lowvig.ag: This is BOL, but a no-frills, no-bonus, non-marketed, semi-buggy version. But it's the same company with the same basic lines, with reduced juice on certain spread/totals bets, and a promise never to kick off sharps. Definitely worth signing up an account there. No props here. Fast payouts.

Betanysports: Former 5Dimes. They have two sets of lines -- "Offshore lines" which are in-house, and "American lines" which are third-party. You can get 5-cent juice on certain spread/totals bets via their "less juice" option. No props on the Offshore lines, but American lines have some. Worth checking both sets of lines, as it's like two books in one. I was limited on the Offshore lines portion of the site (some bets as low as $25), but American Lines is still open for me completely. Fast payouts.

Heritage Sports: They are picky as to who is allowed to have an account here, but if you get approved, this is a solid book with a good history.

[Sanlmar]

Your observations are good. BOL has very tight lines. My best out in that regard.

Props and live not so great

(resisting urge to dump on Bovada again)

You are spot on regarding BOL's live lines not being the best. Plus at times, they will freeze all betting on the game you want to live bet but when checking another sports book, they are open for the live wagers at the exact same time. Oh yeah, I forgot about BOL's prop lines. They really stick it to their customers compared with other sportsbooks but obviously not all. Unfortunately live in a state where sports betting is illegal. So no Draft Kings and others for me.

We have the Australian Open coming up in days. In the past I have done very well live on BOL. I am less sanguine about the new subcontractor over there. We will see.

I have pahticipated in some live NHL zoom with a couple of degenerates occasionally. I can tell you we get “locked” almost simultaneously over the course of nearly book you can think of. What was more interesting to me was the video lag from one guy to the next. The experience was interesting but distracting.

The only edge I’ve found this year was video review - especially goals. BOL has credited the goal and had open betting while the call was being reviewed. I have had an occasion or two where it was clear the goal was gonna be overturned but the goal was still up and I could hammer. Doesn’t get cancelled later. Something sloppy with their algorithm. The way that data (coaches challenge) is delivered/streamed (or NOT).

[Been]

TCU +14.5 (bought a point)

Should've bought 100 points

[Pickleball]

You are spot on regarding BOL's live lines not being the best. Plus at times, they will freeze all betting on the game you want to live bet but when checking another sports book, they are open for the live wagers at the exact same time. Oh yeah, I forgot about BOL's prop lines. They really stick it to their customers compared with other sportsbooks but obviously not all. Unfortunately live in a state where sports betting is illegal. So no Draft Kings and others for me.

We have the Australian Open coming up in days. In the past I have done very well live on BOL. I am less sanguine about the new subcontractor over there. We will see.

I have pahticipated in some live NHL zoom with a couple of degenerates occasionally. I can tell you we get “locked” almost simultaneously over the course of nearly book you can think of. What was more interesting to me was the video lag from one guy to the next. The experience was interesting but distracting.

The only edge I’ve found this year was video review - especially goals. BOL has credited the goal and had open betting while the call was being reviewed. I have had an occasion or two where it was clear the goal was gonna be overturned but the goal was still up and I could hammer. Doesn’t get cancelled later. Something sloppy with their algorithm. The way that data (coaches challenge) is delivered/streamed (or NOT).

Heritage has limited my live bets at times. Sometimes as low as $5.00. Pathetic plus I noticed that BOL was consistantly pffering better lve lines than Heritage. I mainly bet tennis and really like live betting. I have found that you have to get your wagers in during the change of sides and when the players are sitting for a couple of minutes. Trying to place a wager during a game is difficult as the line changes from point to point and before you can get a confirmation.

[Daly]

My personal take is fuck herritage. They play some games with clients over there. Take forever to find your deposit. Then they say there is some bonus button in your account settings that nobody knows is there that is te only toggle to not deposit with some small bonus that comes with some stupid rollover. My tenure there was short.

Bol, sportsbetting.com and clones are my go too for an offshore.

Bovada was the first offshore to cut me 100 years ago. If you have a virgin account there its worth a few thousand bucks.

I have a small list of other offshores that are ok that also have betbuilder (props) but limits of $50 that i just haven't bothered with yet.

[Daly]

TCU +14.5 (bought a point)

Should've bought 100 points

Wouldn't have been enough




(Kidding)

[Pickleball]

My personal take is fuck herritage. They play some games with clients over there. Take forever to find your deposit. Then they say there is some bonus button in your account settings that nobody knows is there that is te only toggle to not deposit with some small bonus that comes with some stupid rollover. My tenure there was short.

Bol, sportsbetting.com and clones are my go too for an offshore.

Bovada was the first offshore to cut me 100 years ago. If you have a virgin account there its worth a few thousand bucks.

I have a small list of other offshores that are ok that also have betbuilder (props) but limits of $50 that i just haven't bothered with yet.

Heritage dropped you for winning? I did not like them either because they placed ridiculously low limits on my live bets. Everytime I tried to bet $50.00 or $100.00 on a live bet, they would decline the bet and allow amounts like $5.39. If I refreshed the bet, sometime it would not allow me to be any amount or reduced even lower to like $3.00. As soon as they started that nonsense, I withdrew my balance. I am not a big better but I had a winning percentage so they did not want to part with any of their money. They do not like bettors that never go on tilt and blow up their bankroll.

[Dan Druff]

My personal take is fuck herritage. They play some games with clients over there. Take forever to find your deposit. Then they say there is some bonus button in your account settings that nobody knows is there that is te only toggle to not deposit with some small bonus that comes with some stupid rollover. My tenure there was short.

Bol, sportsbetting.com and clones are my go too for an offshore.

Bovada was the first offshore to cut me 100 years ago. If you have a virgin account there its worth a few thousand bucks.

I have a small list of other offshores that are ok that also have betbuilder (props) but limits of $50 that i just haven't bothered with yet.

I actually agree with fuck Heritage. I listed them for completeness.

They never let me on there. They told me that my phone number wasn't listed in my name, which is dumb. Their list was incorrect. I tried to reason with them, explaining that I would prove my identity any way they wanted. I also told them that I'm a known poker player, and others in poker who play on there could vouch for my identity. They didn't care. Too paranoid regarding government agents getting on there and busting them.

Laughably, badguy23 of all people said he could get me on, but I told him not to bother. I was done. They were very rude with me.

[Dan Druff]

NCAAB

Eastern Michigan +125 at Western Michigan
Valparaiso +175 vs Belmont
Mississippi +1.5 vs Auburn

[Dan Druff]

NBA

Oklahoma City +110 at Miami (Herro, Lowry, Martin, Adebayo OUT) (+2 ok)
Portland vs Orlando - Under 228.5

[Dan Druff]

Note that Miami has almost the entire starting 5 out. Only Butler is playing. OKC beat a Dallas team two days ago in a similar spot while on the road (no Doncic).

[Dan Druff]

OKC up 7 with 1:42 and they blew it.

Even worse, they had the ball up 2 with 17s and turned it over.

112-111 final, heat win

So ugly

[Dan Druff]

Also heat were 40/40 from free throw line

This was Kalam level bad luck

0-3 now with 2 left

[Kalam]

So my local's book voided a Stefon Digg's future bet (under) that I actually lost, which is consistent with all the other future bets I had where teams didn't play all their games (normally College FB games that got cancelled due to hurricanes, or this year a shooting).

But I am reading a lot of sports betting related twitter posts where the legalized books are sometimes voiding, sometimes honoring bets that won anyways, and sometimes grading as loser for all the futures involving Buffalo/Cinci. Doesn't seem to be any consistency at all.

I know I am down big time having bets that would have won voided more than the opposite, but I do appreciate consistency knowing what is going to happen.

[Daly]

So my local's book voided a Stefon Digg's future bet (under) that I actually lost, which is consistent with all the other future bets I had where teams didn't play all their games (normally College FB games that got cancelled due to hurricanes, or this year a shooting).

But I am reading a lot of sports betting related twitter posts where the legalized books are sometimes voiding, sometimes honoring bets that won anyways, and sometimes grading as loser for all the futures involving Buffalo/Cinci. Doesn't seem to be any consistency at all.

I know I am down big time having bets that would have won voided more than the opposite, but I do appreciate consistency knowing what is going to happen.

So ill try and lay this out as simply as I can. The actual bookmakers or “traders” at the back of the house are consistently grading all of these to the letter of the rulebook. So for Diggs all his season long bets are no action. Virginia football with the games canceled because of the shooting were also no action. A few weeks ago there was a situation where D Booker played 2 minutes and then sat out the rest of the game because he wasnt ready to return - he played he started and all his props were graded under.

Whats now “inconsistent” is for some of the very pubic facing legal books, that are more dressmakers than bookmakers who prey on players who are largely clueless, you have front end “marketing” teams that exist to keep the clients they have and get any new ones they can. A clueless sportbettor is worth thousands a year, potentially. So now you run into a situation where over 11 Cincinnati wins, which was a very public play, goes tits up on a technicality the traders all say “well thems the breaks” because thats how the rules are written. But now you got the front end marketing weasels who step in the name of “client retention” and over ride the traders and pay out the ploppy pick.

Now every time something happens like a player getting hurt hundreds of square betters take to twitter and demand justice from the book to “make things right”. This is whats happened with the Buffalo/Cinci game and

Thing is its rarely a sharp bet that gets refunded. Its always a very public play thats generally -EV

[Sanlmar]

Has anyone used betopenly.com for sports wagering? The good part about them is it is peer to peer bettng. The winner pays 1% to the website. The bad part about the site is that the majority of their clientel are sharps. It is difficult to find a fish that is posting a bet. You can create a bet as well as well as accept a bet. Their payouts are extremely fast but again I think that the payouts are geared towards crypto. I am not promoting them other than to say that the 1% juice is great. However, I feel like I am sitting down at a Texas Holdem game in Las Vegas and I am the one with the gills and fins. lol

Very interesting. I’m gonna take a look. Something genuinely original in thread.

$10 min bet. Can’t get hurt to try it out.

Good having you here.

[Dan Druff]

I'll have to check out this betopenly site. There used to be one in the 2000s like this called Matchbook. Exact same concept.

I wouldn't worry too much about opposing the sharps. If you're going to bet the game anyway, who cares if it's being booked by sharp or a sportsbook? However, signing up for that site might be worth it just to get a better idea of where the sharp money is going.

[NaturalBornHustler]

Pound the Bengals NOW Lamar isn't playing and line is still at -7 (opened 6.5) That will go to -10 just like last week once him being out is confirmed. injury report is coming out in a couple hours and will show not practicing which will start to move line.