Best DC craps system?

[Goodpoop]

If I've had a long good session of poker I'll wind down playing some craps. I use a very small portion of my win and count it as entertainment expense. I like to play stupid middle bets, hard ways and all the other tourist bets. The other day I had a great short session and wanted to play some craps. The table went cold so I started playing Don't Pass with odds. I was doing alright when the dealer asked if I ever play the DC bar. I said no and he explained using the DC bar bets to hedge blah blah blah. Well I played DP with DC bets and tripled up. When the dealer would rotate and the other dealers saw how I was playing they seemed to understand and liked my play.

Basically I'd bet DP if they rolled a 7 I'd doubled up. Once a point was established I'd lay enough odds to cover a DC bet. Once that number was established I'd take the odds down and place another DC bet. If a number fell I'd place anther DC bet. It seemed to work pretty well.

I've been reading a lot about laying the 10 or 4 on the come out when you have a DP bet to hedge than taking it down ect...

Anyone have any low risk systems that will just keep you playing longer before busto? I like hedging and getting some almost EV shots at craps.

[PLOL]

The table went cold so I started playing Don't Pass with odds.

Each roll is independent of the previous rolls. But you knew that

[Sanlmar]

The table went cold so I started playing Don't Pass with odds.

Each roll is independent of the previous rolls. But you knew that

I love craps. Yeah, it's entertainment. I know. Only game really with generally everyone rooting for the same thing, a good long roll.

I had a moment of clarity years ago when I realized cash poker is the only game in the house where I know what I have BEFORE I place a wager.

Sounds stupid but the moment of clarity helped me see craps as the fun bingo game that it is.

[simpdog]

Buy a $5 beer and watch football instead.

[Goodpoop]

The table went cold so I started playing Don't Pass with odds.

Each roll is independent of the previous rolls. But you knew that

Dude, superstition is half the fun of craps.

[Dan Druff]

It is impossible to beat craps in the long run.

However, if you want to reduce the house edge, do the following:

Lay a bet on Pass or Don't Pass (or Come/Don't Come). The "Don't" bet has slightly better odds for the player, but they're very close, and you might want to just do the Pass bet for social reasons (or the table may get pissed at you).

After a "point" is established, bet the maximum odds on the point. This bet is zero EV. In the long run, it will break even.

So if you are playing in a house with 100x odds, you can place a $1 bet on Pass (1.41% house edge) and then a $100 bet on a point (0% house edge). Since you will only get the opportunity to place an odds bet only 2/3 of the time (since a 2-3-7-11-or-12 will hit 1/3 of the time on the initial throw), that means on average you will be betting $100 twice ($200 total) at even money for every three $1 bets you make with a 1.41% house edge.

This means you would lose, on average, 4.23 cents on every $203 bet -- meaning a tiny house edge of just 0.02%!

Of course, this betting method would have large variance, so you would want to keep to a low base bet (as I said, 50 cents or a dollar on the pass line), and even then you could easily swing thousands of dollars.

Anyway, that's the optimal way of doing things.

[Goodpoop]

It is impossible to beat craps in the long run.

However, if you want to reduce the house edge, do the following:

Lay a bet on Pass or Don't Pass (or Come/Don't Come). The "Don't" bet has slightly better odds for the player, but they're very close, and you might want to just do the Pass bet for social reasons (or the table may get pissed at you).

After a "point" is established, bet the maximum odds on the point. This bet is zero EV. In the long run, it will break even.

So if you are playing in a house with 100x odds, you can place a $1 bet on Pass (1.41% house edge) and then a $100 bet on a point (0% house edge). Since you will only get the opportunity to place an odds bet only 2/3 of the time (since a 2-3-7-11-or-12 will hit 1/3 of the time on the initial throw), that means on average you will be betting $100 twice ($200 total) at even money for every three $1 bets you make with a 1.41% house edge.

This means you would lose, on average, 4.23 cents on every $203 bet -- meaning a tiny house edge of just 0.02%!

Of course, this betting method would have large variance, so you would want to keep to a low base bet (as I said, 50 cents or a dollar on the pass line), and even then you could easily swing thousands of dollars.

Anyway, that's the optimal way of doing things.

What is you bet Pass and Don't pass? You only lose on 12 than place full odds?

[lewfather]

goodluck finding a place that will let you put 50c on the pass/dont

[simpdog]

[Dan Druff]

It is impossible to beat craps in the long run.

However, if you want to reduce the house edge, do the following:

Lay a bet on Pass or Don't Pass (or Come/Don't Come). The "Don't" bet has slightly better odds for the player, but they're very close, and you might want to just do the Pass bet for social reasons (or the table may get pissed at you).

After a "point" is established, bet the maximum odds on the point. This bet is zero EV. In the long run, it will break even.

So if you are playing in a house with 100x odds, you can place a $1 bet on Pass (1.41% house edge) and then a $100 bet on a point (0% house edge). Since you will only get the opportunity to place an odds bet only 2/3 of the time (since a 2-3-7-11-or-12 will hit 1/3 of the time on the initial throw), that means on average you will be betting $100 twice ($200 total) at even money for every three $1 bets you make with a 1.41% house edge.

This means you would lose, on average, 4.23 cents on every $203 bet -- meaning a tiny house edge of just 0.02%!

Of course, this betting method would have large variance, so you would want to keep to a low base bet (as I said, 50 cents or a dollar on the pass line), and even then you could easily swing thousands of dollars.

Anyway, that's the optimal way of doing things.

What is you bet Pass and Don't pass? You only lose on 12 than place full odds?

Lowers your EV.

You want to minimize the Pass bets, as those have a house edge. Odds bets don't.

If you could lay odds without having to do a pass/come bet, you could play at 0 EV.

[The Shrink]

I only bet on the hard 8:

[Walter Sobchak]

It is impossible to beat craps in the long run.

However, if you want to reduce the house edge, do the following:

Lay a bet on Pass or Don't Pass (or Come/Don't Come). The "Don't" bet has slightly better odds for the player, but they're very close, and you might want to just do the Pass bet for social reasons (or the table may get pissed at you).

After a "point" is established, bet the maximum odds on the point. This bet is zero EV. In the long run, it will break even.

So if you are playing in a house with 100x odds, you can place a $1 bet on Pass (1.41% house edge) and then a $100 bet on a point (0% house edge). Since you will only get the opportunity to place an odds bet only 2/3 of the time (since a 2-3-7-11-or-12 will hit 1/3 of the time on the initial throw), that means on average you will be betting $100 twice ($200 total) at even money for every three $1 bets you make with a 1.41% house edge.

This means you would lose, on average, 4.23 cents on every $203 bet -- meaning a tiny house edge of just 0.02%!

Of course, this betting method would have large variance, so you would want to keep to a low base bet (as I said, 50 cents or a dollar on the pass line), and even then you could easily swing thousands of dollars.

Anyway, that's the optimal way of doing things.

Yup.

When playing pass/don't I like to place another bet that will roughly cancel it out but that shifts the number I don't want to see to one that's less common. So for example if I'm on the pass with max odds I will lay the 4 or 10 for an amount that will win me as much as the pass will lose in the event of a 7. Then the only number I don't want to see is the 4 or 10. If on the don't with max odds I will buy a 4 or 10 that way the only number I don't want to see is the established point. This lowers the EV due to the vig you pay on a buy or lay, but somehow I find it to be a more enjoyable way to play.

[Hockey Guy]

When I get the urge to play craps or roulette I take $40 out of my wallet & light it on fire. It's way cheaper this way.

I should also try this with blackjack.

[Sandwich]

I agree with Druff's strategy.... I don't play craps often, but when I do that's the way I play it (pass line with full odds on each point), except I'll also mix in Come bets (with full odds) to make things more interesting. That way, after a point is established, I can be rooting for more than one number at a time, which is more fun, imo.

[Sandwich]

If you could lay odds without having to do a pass/come bet, you could play at 0 EV.

I've never done it, but some casinos will let you do this by placing odds bets behind other players' pass or don't pass bets, I think.