Brutal Angle Shot

[SpewArtist]

First thing off I'd like to make it clear that I did NOT personally see this go down, but my good friend did and he told me all about it. I believe it did occur 100%.

So I'm at Winstar Casino for this River series or whatever.

My friend is playing cash when he sees this confrontation go down.

Two guys are playing heads up 5/10 NL. They play a hand where it gets checked all the way to the river. One guy makes the nut straight on the river and bets what looks to be $25 (5 red chips), the other guy says "I call," only to find out that the bet is actually $520. This guy had tucked a $500 chip on the bottom of the 4 reds and then put it in to the pot in such a way that the purple chip was completely hidden from the view of the other guy. (They were seated directly across from each other, at both ends of the table.)

Note: At Winstar the purple $500 chips are not over-sized. They are the same size as all lower denominations.

So, understandably, this guy loses his mind when they tell him it's $520 or whatever.

He calls the floor, floor rules that the bet was $520 and was called. This starts a whole fight, the guy who lost comes at the other guy and eventually gets bounced and hauled out by security. Then, apparently this guy gets back in the casino somehow and goes after the angle shooter again! Security sees him as he's bolting across the poker room and jumped him. He fights back throwing punches and shit at the security guards until one of them whips out a taser and lights this guy up right there in the poker room.

Thoughts on this?

Obviously it was a pure angle shot, I mean this guy bet $520 into a $20 pot or whatever.

Should the floor ruling have been different?

Is this a spot to say "fuck it" and just get banned from the casino and not pay the guy the $520?

I see why the casinos started making the big denomination chips oversized now though.

The moral to this story might be to just always ask the dealer how much the bet is.

[chinamaniac]

First thing off I'd like to make it clear that I did NOT personally see this go down, but my good friend did and he told me all about it. I believe it did occur 100%.

So I'm at Winstar Casino for this River series or whatever.

My friend is playing cash when he sees this confrontation go down.

Two guys are playing heads up 5/10 NL. They play a hand where it gets checked all the way to the river. One guy makes the nut straight on the river and bets what looks to be $25 (5 red chips), the other guy says "I call," only to find out that the bet is actually $520. This guy had tucked a $500 chip on the bottom of the 4 reds and then put it in to the pot in such a way that the purple chip was completely hidden from the view of the other guy. (They were seated directly across from each other, at both ends of the table.)

Note: At Winstar the purple $500 chips are not over-sized. They are the same size as all lower denominations.

So, understandably, this guy loses his mind when they tell him it's $520 or whatever.

He calls the floor, floor rules that the bet was $520 and was called. This starts a whole fight, the guy who lost comes at the other guy and eventually gets bounced and hauled out by security. Then, apparently this guy gets back in the casino somehow and goes after the angle shooter again! Security sees him as he's bolting across the poker room and jumped him. He fights back throwing punches and shit at the security guards until one of them whips out a taser and lights this guy up right there in the poker room.

Thoughts on this?

Obviously it was a pure angle shot, I mean this guy bet $520 into a $20 pot or whatever.

Should the floor ruling have been different?

Is this a spot to say "fuck it" and just get banned from the casino and not pay the guy the $520?

I see why the casinos started making the big denomination chips oversized now though.

The moral to this story might be to just always ask the dealer how much the bet is.

Guy was def angle shooting but other guy should have asked how much. Can't blame the floor for ruling on exactly what happened. A bet and a call even though it was shady

Guy will be known as an angle shooter now

Electronic tables ftw

[Dan Druff]

Yup, definite angle shot.

So I assume this guy didn't pay up the $520, and instead chose to physically attack the first guy?

BTW while I don't condone punching people due to disputes at the table, I don't feel sorry for the guy who got attacked here. Really dirty to pull crap like that. Players like that deserve to get punched in order to make them think twice about pulling such stunts in the future.

[SpewArtist]

Yup, definite angle shot.

So I assume this guy didn't pay up the $520, and instead chose to physically attack the first guy?

BTW while I don't condone punching people due to disputes at the table, I don't feel sorry for the guy who got attacked here. Really dirty to pull crap like that. Players like that deserve to get punched in order to make them think twice about pulling such stunts in the future.

Wasn't clear if this guy paid off the $520 before attacking the angle shooter or not. I'm inclined to think he did, then got real angry as he thought about it and then decided to assault the guy. He got bounced initially after the first attempt and then came back in and got tased.

[Sandwich]

Terrible ruling, IMO.
$20 pot? Five perfectly stacked chips with the 500 on the bottom?
Sounds like a pure angle shot and the caller never meant to call 520 but was induced or "tricked" -- meant to call 25 and that's what he should have been made to do.

[Steve-O]

This is why I try to say as little as possible about my bets/calls it causes all sorts of issues with people saying "no you said this or that" "I didn't hear him" and so on. he should have just tossed in a green or five reds and then let the scumbag try to explain that he bet $520 into a $20 pot.

And totally agree that this is a terrible ruling by the floor. It just invites more of this behavior in the future