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    Latest Hearing on Internet Gambling from today (7/17)

    “The Expansion of Internet Gambling: Assessing Consumer Protection Concerns” US Senate hearing

    Video link here (jump to 26 minute mark):

    http://www.commerce.senate.gov/publi...c-d6809f3f69c9

    Just posting this if anyone cares to watch. You get to hear people from both sides,etc...

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    Yawn. A Federal bill is not going to happen
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    Never say never but it's still going to be a super long process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Never say never but it's still going to be a super long process.
    Seems more and more likely we will end up with Federal legislation only out of necessity because the snowball is already rolling down hill, be it slowly. Its only a matter of time before NV, NJ, PA, DE (my guess is the three eastern ones will form a consortium first) are sharing player pools and we end up with a powerball/mega millions type situation ala the multi-state lottery format. The feds will feel forced to do something,, actually legitimately for once under the Interstate Commerce clause, (something they pervert constantly) to set up uniform standards and resolved the tax implications and make it simplier for all concerned in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker View Post
    Never say never but it's still going to be a super long process.
    Seems more and more likely we will end up with Federal legislation only out of necessity because the snowball is already rolling down hill, be it slowly. Its only a matter of time before NV, NJ, PA, DE (my guess is the three eastern ones will form a consortium first) are sharing player pools and we end up with a powerball/mega millions type situation ala the multi-state lottery format. The feds will feel forced to do something,, actually legitimately for once under the Interstate Commerce clause, (something they pervert constantly) to set up uniform standards and resolved the tax implications and make it simplier for all concerned in the end.
    I would say it is fairly clear that if the money crosses state lines (playing a pot), the sites would be in violation of the law.

    Until that is resolved there won't be any shared player pools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post

    Seems more and more likely we will end up with Federal legislation only out of necessity because the snowball is already rolling down hill, be it slowly. Its only a matter of time before NV, NJ, PA, DE (my guess is the three eastern ones will form a consortium first) are sharing player pools and we end up with a powerball/mega millions type situation ala the multi-state lottery format. The feds will feel forced to do something,, actually legitimately for once under the Interstate Commerce clause, (something they pervert constantly) to set up uniform standards and resolved the tax implications and make it simplier for all concerned in the end.
    I would say it is fairly clear that if the money crosses state lines (playing a pot), the sites would be in violation of the law.

    Until that is resolved there won't be any shared player pools.
    The problem with your analysis is that it's incorrect. US courts have found that Congressional approval of an interstate compact is only necessary when the compact:

    increases “the political power of influence” of the party states; or
    encroaches “upon the full and free exercise of federal authority.”

    Many interstate compacts are enacted without US Congressional approval.

    Here is an excellent treatise on interstate compacting (pdf):
    http://www.every-vote-equal.com/pdf/EVECh5new_web.pdf‎

    If it is found that Congressional approval is required, it can be accomplished by a Joint Resolution rather than a bill. This still requires majority passage in both the House and Senate, and Presidential signature, but doesn't require the Committee process. The Resolution can just say that Congress approves the "Such-and-Such Interstate Compact" - it doesn't need to give any details of the compact terms.

    International reciprocal agreements will probably require Congressional approval, but once again this can be accomplished by a Joint Resolution rather than a bill.
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    It's actually starting to seem like now is a better time than ever for an online poker bill to gain some momentum, if not all out internet gambling. Washington knows that the liberalization of things like this are inevitable, and need money so most likely won't take the State movement lightly. The knucklehead Addelson doesn't help but, he is a powerful lobbyist.


    The Federal networks lucrative, but so is the State model. Players would most likely pay the standard Federal tax and then whatever their particular State required, if any at all. Florida obviously, no State income tax. Still would net much less than the Federal route, but not insignificant. N.J going forward with all out internet gambling, will prob be a measure the Goverment will use to see the cost- benefit of house banked games being included. It is taking forever but at least there is finally real momentum and concrete changes are happening.

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    In the hearing conference from today it seems they are warming up to legalization federally not because they necessarily want to do it since most don't but in order to protect citizens, catch money laundering,etc...

    They are finally coming to some realization that internet gambling is not going away and that they can better protect/monitor the activity by legalizing it.

    I never really thought too much would come from the "Poker is a skill game" argument when so many congressmen who don't understand poker are clueless about this or will still point out the luck element that is in the game.

    It's also the big casinos dream to have all casino games regulated to be played online so they will throw more money into lobbying for making that happen then just poker.

    The main chance poker on it's own has more of a chance federally is if all the states that can pass bills show it works smoothly within their state boundaries. This will likely be a long process but I see it happening some day if not federally then several states working out interstate gambling over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLOL View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83 View Post

    I would say it is fairly clear that if the money crosses state lines (playing a pot), the sites would be in violation of the law.

    Until that is resolved there won't be any shared player pools.
    The problem with your analysis is that it's incorrect. US courts have found that Congressional approval of an interstate compact is only necessary when the compact:

    increases “the political power of influence” of the party states; or
    encroaches “upon the full and free exercise of federal authority.”

    Many interstate compacts are enacted without US Congressional approval.

    Here is an excellent treatise on interstate compacting (pdf):
    http://www.every-vote-equal.com/pdf/EVECh5new_web.pdf‎

    If it is found that Congressional approval is required, it can be accomplished by a Joint Resolution rather than a bill. This still requires majority passage in both the House and Senate, and Presidential signature, but doesn't require the Committee process. The Resolution can just say that Congress approves the "Such-and-Such Interstate Compact" - it doesn't need to give any details of the compact terms.

    International reciprocal agreements will probably require Congressional approval, but once again this can be accomplished by a Joint Resolution rather than a bill.
    UIGEA 5362 Section 10 Part B

    Compact won't be illegal but the wagers will be.

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    Interesting read today by Politico about this
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...les-94373.html


    Some of what was said yesterday is sure to get some ears to perk, two interesting parts

    "Fraternal Order of Police National President Chuck Canterbury and Washington attorney Jack Blum, both of whom said the federal government needs to create a national regulatory scheme because state authorities are ill-equipped to deal with the interstate and international finance problems caused by online wagering.
    "We’re always behind the eight ball on technology,” Canterbury said. “Local law enforcement won’t be able to attack money laundering and terrorist activity with 50 laws” for 50 states."

    and

    "Thomas Grissen, CEO of Daon, a Reston, Va.-based biometrics firm, demonstrated a system in which users logging into accounts would have to allow their computers or mobile devices to take photos of them and record some audio in order to match it with pictures and voices on record. Those measures, crossed with geolocation information, would prevent illegal play, he said."

    PPA says players would have no problems with this. I wouldn't but surely some would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrett View Post
    "Thomas Grissen, CEO of Daon, a Reston, Va.-based biometrics firm, demonstrated a system in which users logging into accounts would have to allow their computers or mobile devices to take photos of them and record some audio in order to match it with pictures and voices on record. Those measures, crossed with geolocation information, would prevent illegal play, he said."

    PPA says players would have no problems with this. I wouldn't but surely some would.
    Haha, what? So we'll just have to be camming for the US gov't? No big deal. This is terrible and another reason why the PPA does not represent us
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    PPA = Private Jets and Beluga

    When it's all said and done the PPA will find a way to give themselves all the credit for a passed federal bill if/when it happens. Even though these guys are "The Poker Players Alliance" they keep praising casino bills as well because they too realize Poker on it's own to pass as a skill game is kind of a lost cause as Politicians will never see it as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrett View Post
    Interesting read today by Politico about this
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...les-94373.html


    Some of what was said yesterday is sure to get some ears to perk, two interesting parts

    "Fraternal Order of Police National President Chuck Canterbury and Washington attorney Jack Blum, both of whom said the federal government needs to create a national regulatory scheme because state authorities are ill-equipped to deal with the interstate and international finance problems caused by online wagering.
    "We’re always behind the eight ball on technology,” Canterbury said. “Local law enforcement won’t be able to attack money laundering and terrorist activity with 50 laws” for 50 states."

    and

    "Thomas Grissen, CEO of Daon, a Reston, Va.-based biometrics firm, demonstrated a system in which users logging into accounts would have to allow their computers or mobile devices to take photos of them and record some audio in order to match it with pictures and voices on record. Those measures, crossed with geolocation information, would prevent illegal play, he said."

    PPA says players would have no problems with this. I wouldn't but surely some would.

    I was watching that part of the hearing when this took place. It would require anyone wanting to play to have a camera and a microphone.


    Other people were making a major deal out of the possibility of children getting their hands on their parents laptops and playing illegally. I dont understand how a password wouldnt solve this issue.

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