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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Bitcoins are sliding so fast and hard that criminals are now converting them to other forms of currency as soon as they get them:

    The falling value of Bitcoin is leading many ransomware makers to convert BTC ransom payments into other forms of currency as soon as they are able.

    According to Etay Maor, senior fraud prevention strategist at IBM Security, this trend is evident in underground computer criminal forums.


    “They use Bitcoin for the money laundering part and take payment with it, but they’ll move it out almost immediately,” Maor told The Register.

    “Most of them won’t keep Bitcoins – they don’t like the valuations Bitcoin has – so they just use it as a layer of obfuscation, and move it to a different form of money.”
    Maor is one of the speakers at RSA Conference 2015. On Wednesday, April 22nd, he presented his talk, “Major Cyberfraud Innovations in the Last Twelve Months,” which examined how computer criminals have adopted more sophisticated tactics in the past year.

    The BTC value first peaked back on December 4, 2013 at USD 1,147.25, according to CoinDesk. That price has steadily declined over the past two years.

    Bitcoins are worth USD 231.38 as of this writing.

    Despite the instability of their value, the apparent anonymity of Bitcoin transactions has in part facilitated the growth of the ransomware market. Ransomware is now distributed to most English-speaking regions around the world, with computer criminals increasingly turning their attention to the Far East, including South Korea, Japan, and Malaysia.

    Ransomware makers are also embracing new targets, including entire web databases of financial organizations, video game files, and school computer systems.

    Even so, security professionals are pushing back against the expanding ransomware market.

    Just this month, Kaspersky Lab released decrypting tools for two different strains of ransomware—CoinVault and Scraper—that allow users to regain access to their files.

    Victims of ransomware should never pay the ransom payment as they have no guarantee that doing so will lead to the decryption of their data.

    For more information about ransomware, including how you can protect your computer against this type of malware, please click here.
    LOL, a quote from Etay Maor a "senior" fraud prevention strategist. Of all the made up occupational titles this one takes the cake. They should be talking to
    Timmy the Hacker, Junior Junior Still at Home But Making a Bundle Strategist.

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    We are almost at the year mark (May) when we will have last seen bitcoin appreciate.

    And by "appreciate", I mean rise from the last stable rate and stay there.

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    I'm in it for the long run..holding all btc untill further notice

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    from Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money.... kind of intense as it spells out a lot of the super pervasive libertarian/bitcoin/silkroad vend crossover that brought us to where we are.


    A little over a month after Ross Ulbricht brought the Silk Road online, in March 2011, the site had around 150 members. It was hardly a phenomenon, but it was more than Ulbricht, who had little programming experience, was equipped to handle. When the site went down on March 15, Ulbricht anxiously chatted a friend who had been helping him.

    “i’m so stressed! i gotta get this site up tonight,” Ross wrote.

    “I’m not sure how this stuff works,” Richard wrote back.

    “i wish i did,” Ross responded.

    One of the people who visited the site while it was temporarily offline was the host of a popular libertarian radio program in New Hampshire, Free Talk Live, who was broadcasting live at the time. Ian Freeman and his cohost had been introduced to Bitcoin earlier in the year by Gavin Andresen, a regular listener who had taken over from Satoshi Nakamoto as the chief programmer for the Bitcoin software. Andresen thought that Free Talk Live’s audience would be sympathetic to Bitcoin, given its ambition to replace central banks and government-issued money—and Gavin lived practically next door in Massachusetts. He had gone up to New Hampshire to take the radio hosts out to lunch, but they went away unconvinced. Who was going to have an incentive to use this? They asked.

    What’s more, getting cocaine or LSD delivered to your home—or a rented mailbox—seemed highly preferable to meeting a sketchy dealer at some dark rendezvous.
    Their views, though, changed dramatically less than two months later when they learned about Silk Road.

    “All of the sudden my interest has been piqued,” Freeman said on the air.

    Freeman and his cohosts did their best to explain how Bitcoin and Silk Road worked, and they debated the possibility that Silk Road was a trap set up by the CIA. But the hosts agreed that Silk Road was something utterly new, harnessing Bitcoin to enable a type of transaction that was, for all intents and purposes, not possible before—an online drug purchase. What’s more, getting cocaine or LSD delivered to your home—or a rented mailbox—seemed highly preferable to meeting a sketchy dealer at some dark rendezvous.

    When Freeman tried to get on Silk Road while he was on the air, and found it was down, he wondered if it had all been a mirage. But when he had been on the site shortly before, he had seen 151 registered users and 38 listings. Someone had recently delivered ecstasy tablets from Europe to the United States, taped to the inside of a birthday card. Here was something that could take advantage of Bitcoin’s unique qualities and help it grow.

    “This could be the killer application for Bitcoin,” Freeman said.

    When Ulbricht learned about the broadcast a day later, he had gotten Silk Road up again, and he wrote to his friend—the only person he had told about his site—with a mixture of fear and pride.

    “my site had a 40 minute spot on a national radio program,” Ulbricht wrote in a chat session.

    “friggin crazy, you gotta keep my secret buddy,” he added.

    “I haven’t told anyone and I don’t intend to,” his friend wrote back.

    “i know i can trust you,” Ulbricht responded.

    One of the many listeners who heard the conversation about Silk Road on Free Talk Live was Roger Ver, an American entrepreneur living in Tokyo.

    “This could be the killer application for Bitcoin.”
    Roger was a committed libertarian and regular listener to Free Talk Live. He had moved to Tokyo after being arrested in what Roger believed was retaliation for comments he had made about federal agents while running for California state assembly. The experience turned Roger’s libertarian ideas from a political cause to a personal crusade. In prison, Roger taught himself Japanese, and the day his probation was up he flew to Japan to start a new life, free from the United States government.

    It was during a brief trip back to California to see his family that Roger sat down to breakfast listening to a month-old Free Talk Live podcast on his iPod. When the hosts started talking about Bitcoin, something snagged in his mind and he stopped what he was doing. Many Bitcoin fanatics would later talk about their ecstatic moments of conversion to the Bitcoin cause, but few were as extreme as Roger’s. While the podcast was still playing, Roger did a search for Bitcoin on the laptop he had on his kitchen table and began making his way through everything he could find.

    He was so entranced by the idea of a financial system outside the control of the government that he read clear through the night to the next day. After a short nap, he began reading again and went on reading for a few days until he eventually felt so weak, and so gripped by a sickness taking over his throat, that he called a friend and asked to be taken to the hospital. There he was connected to an IV sack that pumped antibiotics and sedatives into him. It might have been the drugs, but as he lay in his hospital bed, he felt he had found a kind of promised land that he had been waiting for all of his short life—the Galt’s Gulch he had been searching for like a libertarian Indiana Jones.

    When he got back from the hospital, Ver began using the small fortune he had made from his business Memory Dealers—which sold cheap computer gear online—to dive into Bitcoin with a savage ferocity. He sent a $25,000 wire to the New York bank account of the main Bitcoin exchange at the time, Mt. Gox, and began buying bitcoins. Over the next three days, Roger’s purchases dominated the markets and helped push the price of a single coin up nearly 75 percent, from $1.89 to $3.30.

    Years after this all happened, many mainstream investors, who wanted to distance Bitcoin from its darker associations, would deny that Silk Road had ever played an important role in Bitcoin’s growth.
    Ver wasn’t the only person who had been drawn to Bitcoin by the Free Talk Live program and the Silk Road. By the middle of May the Silk Road had over a thousand people registered—10 times what it had two months earlier—and appeared to be a major reason for the steadily rising price of Bitcoin. When Ulbricht had to shut the site down for a few days in mid-May, the price of Bitcoin entered a short period of decline. Silk Road users showed up on the Bitcoin chat channel asking if there was anywhere else they could score some drugs. When Silk Road came back online, the price of Bitcoin picked up again.

    But the real onslaught began on June 1 when the gossip/news website Gawker published an in-depth story about Silk Road. In the days immediately after this story went online, over a thousand new people were registering for Silk Road every day and the price of a Bitcoin on Mt. Gox shot up, crossing $10 for the first time the day after the Gawker story and $15 two days later.

    Years after this all happened, many mainstream investors, who wanted to distance Bitcoin from its darker associations, would deny that Silk Road had ever played an important role in Bitcoin’s growth—but that’s certainly not how it looked in June of 2011 as the currency saw its first major growth spurt. Many of the programmers who would later become central players in Bitcoin—and who had little interest in buying drugs online—would say that it was during these days that they first learned about the virtual currency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    from Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money.... kind of intense as it spells out a lot of the super pervasive libertarian/bitcoin/silkroad vend crossover that brought us to where we are.


    A little over a month after Ross Ulbricht brought the Silk Road online, in March 2011, the site had around 150 members. It was hardly a phenomenon, but it was more than Ulbricht, who had little programming experience, was equipped to handle. When the site went down on March 15, Ulbricht anxiously chatted a friend who had been helping him.

    “i’m so stressed! i gotta get this site up tonight,” Ross wrote.

    “I’m not sure how this stuff works,” Richard wrote back.

    “i wish i did,” Ross responded.

    One of the people who visited the site while it was temporarily offline was the host of a popular libertarian radio program in New Hampshire, Free Talk Live, who was broadcasting live at the time. Ian Freeman and his cohost had been introduced to Bitcoin earlier in the year by Gavin Andresen, a regular listener who had taken over from Satoshi Nakamoto as the chief programmer for the Bitcoin software. Andresen thought that Free Talk Live’s audience would be sympathetic to Bitcoin, given its ambition to replace central banks and government-issued money—and Gavin lived practically next door in Massachusetts. He had gone up to New Hampshire to take the radio hosts out to lunch, but they went away unconvinced. Who was going to have an incentive to use this? They asked.

    What’s more, getting cocaine or LSD delivered to your home—or a rented mailbox—seemed highly preferable to meeting a sketchy dealer at some dark rendezvous.
    Their views, though, changed dramatically less than two months later when they learned about Silk Road.

    “All of the sudden my interest has been piqued,” Freeman said on the air.

    Freeman and his cohosts did their best to explain how Bitcoin and Silk Road worked, and they debated the possibility that Silk Road was a trap set up by the CIA. But the hosts agreed that Silk Road was something utterly new, harnessing Bitcoin to enable a type of transaction that was, for all intents and purposes, not possible before—an online drug purchase. What’s more, getting cocaine or LSD delivered to your home—or a rented mailbox—seemed highly preferable to meeting a sketchy dealer at some dark rendezvous.

    When Freeman tried to get on Silk Road while he was on the air, and found it was down, he wondered if it had all been a mirage. But when he had been on the site shortly before, he had seen 151 registered users and 38 listings. Someone had recently delivered ecstasy tablets from Europe to the United States, taped to the inside of a birthday card. Here was something that could take advantage of Bitcoin’s unique qualities and help it grow.

    “This could be the killer application for Bitcoin,” Freeman said.

    When Ulbricht learned about the broadcast a day later, he had gotten Silk Road up again, and he wrote to his friend—the only person he had told about his site—with a mixture of fear and pride.

    “my site had a 40 minute spot on a national radio program,” Ulbricht wrote in a chat session.

    “friggin crazy, you gotta keep my secret buddy,” he added.

    “I haven’t told anyone and I don’t intend to,” his friend wrote back.

    “i know i can trust you,” Ulbricht responded.

    One of the many listeners who heard the conversation about Silk Road on Free Talk Live was Roger Ver, an American entrepreneur living in Tokyo.

    “This could be the killer application for Bitcoin.”
    Roger was a committed libertarian and regular listener to Free Talk Live. He had moved to Tokyo after being arrested in what Roger believed was retaliation for comments he had made about federal agents while running for California state assembly. The experience turned Roger’s libertarian ideas from a political cause to a personal crusade. In prison, Roger taught himself Japanese, and the day his probation was up he flew to Japan to start a new life, free from the United States government.

    It was during a brief trip back to California to see his family that Roger sat down to breakfast listening to a month-old Free Talk Live podcast on his iPod. When the hosts started talking about Bitcoin, something snagged in his mind and he stopped what he was doing. Many Bitcoin fanatics would later talk about their ecstatic moments of conversion to the Bitcoin cause, but few were as extreme as Roger’s. While the podcast was still playing, Roger did a search for Bitcoin on the laptop he had on his kitchen table and began making his way through everything he could find.

    He was so entranced by the idea of a financial system outside the control of the government that he read clear through the night to the next day. After a short nap, he began reading again and went on reading for a few days until he eventually felt so weak, and so gripped by a sickness taking over his throat, that he called a friend and asked to be taken to the hospital. There he was connected to an IV sack that pumped antibiotics and sedatives into him. It might have been the drugs, but as he lay in his hospital bed, he felt he had found a kind of promised land that he had been waiting for all of his short life—the Galt’s Gulch he had been searching for like a libertarian Indiana Jones.

    When he got back from the hospital, Ver began using the small fortune he had made from his business Memory Dealers—which sold cheap computer gear online—to dive into Bitcoin with a savage ferocity. He sent a $25,000 wire to the New York bank account of the main Bitcoin exchange at the time, Mt. Gox, and began buying bitcoins. Over the next three days, Roger’s purchases dominated the markets and helped push the price of a single coin up nearly 75 percent, from $1.89 to $3.30.

    Years after this all happened, many mainstream investors, who wanted to distance Bitcoin from its darker associations, would deny that Silk Road had ever played an important role in Bitcoin’s growth.
    Ver wasn’t the only person who had been drawn to Bitcoin by the Free Talk Live program and the Silk Road. By the middle of May the Silk Road had over a thousand people registered—10 times what it had two months earlier—and appeared to be a major reason for the steadily rising price of Bitcoin. When Ulbricht had to shut the site down for a few days in mid-May, the price of Bitcoin entered a short period of decline. Silk Road users showed up on the Bitcoin chat channel asking if there was anywhere else they could score some drugs. When Silk Road came back online, the price of Bitcoin picked up again.

    But the real onslaught began on June 1 when the gossip/news website Gawker published an in-depth story about Silk Road. In the days immediately after this story went online, over a thousand new people were registering for Silk Road every day and the price of a Bitcoin on Mt. Gox shot up, crossing $10 for the first time the day after the Gawker story and $15 two days later.

    Years after this all happened, many mainstream investors, who wanted to distance Bitcoin from its darker associations, would deny that Silk Road had ever played an important role in Bitcoin’s growth—but that’s certainly not how it looked in June of 2011 as the currency saw its first major growth spurt. Many of the programmers who would later become central players in Bitcoin—and who had little interest in buying drugs online—would say that it was during these days that they first learned about the virtual currency.
    Digital Gold huh? Do they hire would be journalist who would rather not complete high school.

    The author talked...... but said nothing. Very possible that the editor of the site, if there is such a job title there, was away on holidays (Antigua is nice) and let a junior reporter blabber on about nothing. No resources mentioned as to the Ross Ulbright quotes, just pure conjecture and shlock.

    BTW, the Darknet sites, following in the footsteps of Silkroad are numerous and growing.
    Sorry feds you're outnumbered.

    The rest of the world don't give a fuck about the DOJ.
    Good luck shutting down the internet.

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    You are receiving this message because your email address is associated
    with an account on bitcointalk.org. I regret to have to inform you that
    some information about your account was obtained by an attacker who
    successfully compromised the bitcointalk.org server. The following
    information about your account was likely leaked:
    - Email address
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    - Secret question and a basic (not brute-force-resistant) hash of your
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    You should immediately change your forum password and delete or change
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    and then go to "account related settings".

    If you used the same password on bitcointalk.org as on other sites, then
    you should also immediately change your password on those other sites.
    Also, if you had a secret question set, then you should assume that the
    attacker now knows the answer to your secret question.

    Your password was salted and hashed using sha256crypt with 7500 rounds.
    This will slow down anyone trying to recover your password, but it will
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    just heard a commercial during the Howard Stern show for the EPIX channel on tv (epix.com?) that they are going to be broadcasting a show or series about SILK ROAD on 5/31 at 8pm (didnt say eastern or central).

    Its going to touch upon the fact that the govt got their evidence by hacking them, which can have massive legal issues in the future as far as how the govt is allowed to gather evidence.



    anyway, just giving a heads up in case y'all are interested

     
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    Micon's absolute worst nightmare just came true:


    Bitcoin has the potential to drain the money and influence out of Wall Street, but increasingly it looks as if only Wall Street will have the money and influence to run companies that deal in Bitcoin.

    To operate in the U.S., Bitcoin companies that handle funds on behalf of their customers need to obtain 51 different money transmitter licenses—47 states, three territories, and the District of Columbia each have their own permitting proccesses—and they need to abide by the rules of the Federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and the U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCen).

    Fred Ehrsam, the cofounder of the Bitcoin wallet firm Coinbase, which has raised $106 million so far in venture capital funding, said at an event in April that so far becoming compliant in just half the states has taken his company "two years and cost $2 million."

    This regulatory nightmare just got a bit more scary. Today, New York State's Superintendent of Financial Services, Benjamin Lawsky, released the final draft of the so-called BitLicense, which is yet another state-based regulatory regime that applies to companies serving clients in New York. (Several other states are developing their own version of the BitLicense.)

    In a speech today timed with the release of the new regulation, Lawsky said that the final BitLicense clarifies and improves on the most recent draft in a variety of ways. Companies will only need approval when making "material changes" to their products, he said, not for minor updates; companies already complying with FinCen's anti-money laundering regulations won't need to duplicate their reporting with the state; and firms will be able to obtain both a BitLicense and a money transmitter license through "one application process."

    Benjamin Lawsky in 2014. |||
    "It's important to draw a distinction between what Lawsky said in his speech and what's actually written in the regulation," says Cato Institute Senior Fellow Jim Harper, who's the former global policy counsel for the Bitcoin Foundation. "He may not fully understand every detail written in the regulation, and it's going to be his successor who interprets the language," Harper notes. (Lawsky announced last month that he's stepping down from his post to become a consultant.)

    Despite Lawsky's claim that the BitLicense won't duplicate FinCen rules, "the new language is vague and unclear about how compliance with federal regulations will exempt a BitLicensee from those state-level obligations," Coin Center Executive Director Jerry Brito noted in a blog post titled, "New York BitLicense Falls Short."


    Harper notes that the anti-money laundering provision in the BitLicense hasn't substantially changed since the original draft, and it both duplicates and goes beyond the federal requirements. "It requires that companies report the physical addresses of their clients, which negates many of the benefits that Bitcoin offers," says Harper.

    Even if we take Lawsky at his word that companies won't need to obtain two licenses, "[t]he final BitLicense still creates a lopsided regime between digital currency businesses and traditional money transmitters and banks," says Coin Center Director of Research Peter Van Valkenburgh, with rules that "will not and have never applied to the legacy payments industry."

    It's also disappointing that the final draft of the BitLicense doesn't explicitly exclude companies that handle multi-signature transactions. This is a security and trust feature in which three cryptographic keys are used to transfer funds out of a Bitcoin wallet, and any combination of two keys releases the funds. Multi-signature wallets allow buyers and sellers to engage independent third-party providers to arbitrate disputes, but the BitLicense regulation doesn't make it clear if these providers willl need to be licensed.

    "While we appreciate some additional clarity offered by the Department of Financial Services today, we remain concerned over specific components of the BitLicense that were left unchanged, including state-specific anti-money laundering rules that are inconsistent with federal guidelines," said John Collins, head of policy and government affairs at Coinbase, in a prepared statement. "Moreover, it's troubling that this nascent industry is being subjected to more onerous regulations than those typically applied to legacy financial institutions."

    To get a better picture of what the BitLicense will mean for the industry, Harper suggests paying close attention to Circle, another well-funded Bitcoin company that has Wall Street's backing. (Goldman Sachs recently took a major stake in the company.)

    In a blog post last August, Circle CEO Jeremy Allaire wrote that "without some material changes, Circle will have no choice but to block New York customers from accessing our services."

    "Expect Circle to go back on that statement," says Harper. "They will do business in New York, they'll just spend loads of money on lobbyists and regulators."

    Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein perfectly summed up the situation in an interview last month:

    It's very hard for outside entrants to come in and disrupt our business simply because we're so regulated. We hear people in our industry talk about the regulation, and they talk about it with a sigh about the burdensome of regulation. But in fact in some cases the burdensome regulation acts as a bit of a moat around our business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Micon's absolute worst nightmare just came true:


    Bitcoin has the potential to drain the money and influence out of Wall Street, but increasingly it looks as if only Wall Street will have the money and influence to run companies that deal in Bitcoin.

    To operate in the U.S., Bitcoin companies that handle funds on behalf of their customers need to obtain 51 different money transmitter licenses—47 states, three territories, and the District of Columbia each have their own permitting proccesses—and they need to abide by the rules of the Federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) and the U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCen).

    Oh well, maybe China will be interested.

    Some of Stalin's moves. pre-war


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    If memory serves, at least 3 major crashes from peak prices constituting 60% of total btc value were precipitated by China disavowing itself of BTC. First came the investors, dumping as soon as it hit 1200, then a major Chinese exchange closed, then finally BTC were officially banned from banks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    If memory serves, at least 3 major crashes from peak prices constituting 60% of total btc value were precipitated by China disavowing itself of BTC. First came the investors, dumping as soon as it hit 1200, then a major Chinese exchange closed, then finally BTC were officially banned from banks.
    OK Ok, hows about Germany?

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    I'm thinking Greece...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    I'm thinking Greece...
    Personally?

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    Two things

    First: We knew about BitLicense & Lawsky and pretty much the timing and wrote about it in this thread

    Second: China, banks, Greece, investors selling at $1200 .... all true but this is the lifecycle of a bubble - the rest is kinda just rationalization & mental masturbation.

    Read yahoo finance or TheStreet.com (idiot Cramer) at the market close. Always amused at the "reason" given for the day's stock price action. Sometimes good news is good news and sometimes good news is bad news, etc.

    Market does what the market feels like doing. Speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Two things

    First: We knew about BitLicense & Lawsky and pretty much the timing and wrote about it in this thread

    Second: China, banks, Greece, investors selling at $1200 .... all true but this is the lifecycle of a bubble - the rest is kinda just rationalization & mental masturbation.

    Read yahoo finance or TheStreet.com (idiot Cramer) at the market close. Always amused at the "reason" given for the day's stock price action. Sometimes good news is good news and sometimes good news is bad news, etc.

    Market does what the market feels like doing. Speculation.
    Are we talking one market or many?

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    NYC man robbed of his bitcoins at gunpoint




    This is a stickup — of your virtual cash!
    Two armed bandits robbed a Crown Heights man of $1,100 in bitcoins on the street last week, police said.
    The 28-year-old victim had arranged through a Craigslist ad to meet with a man who purportedly wanted to buy his online currency May 27, sources said.
    After the pair met up at Troy Avenue and Crown Street, the supposed would-be buyer asked the victim to come to his car, a silver Honda, to seal the deal, sources said.
    But once inside, a second man in the back seat pulled a gun on the victim, demanding that he transfer the bitcoins to the two men.
    The creeps also stole the victim’s cell phone before fleeing.
    Police said they’re looking for two men — one of whom is believed to be 19 years old — as well as a woman, whose involvement in the mugging is unclear.
    In March, two federal agents who were investigating Silk Road — the underground online Web site where users buy drugs and weapons using bitcoins — were busted for pocketing the virtual currency for their own personal use.
    Ross Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, was sentenced to life in prison last week after he was found guilty of running the black-market site.
    His business, which he ran under the name Dread Pirate Roberts, generated about $1.2 billion, the FBI said.
    http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/nyc-man...-his-bitcoins/
    Last edited by 4Dragons; 06-05-2015 at 01:47 PM. Reason: wrong link rofl

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Dragons View Post
    NYC man robbed of his bitcoins at gunpoint


    This is a stickup — of your virtual cash!
    Two armed bandits robbed a Crown Heights man of $1,100 in bitcoins on the street last week, police said.
    The 28-year-old victim had arranged through a Craigslist ad to meet with a man who purportedly wanted to buy his online currency May 27, sources said.
    After the pair met up at Troy Avenue and Crown Street, the supposed would-be buyer asked the victim to come to his car, a silver Honda, to seal the deal, sources said.
    But once inside, a second man in the back seat pulled a gun on the victim, demanding that he transfer the bitcoins to the two men.
    The creeps also stole the victim’s cell phone before fleeing.
    Police said they’re looking for two men — one of whom is believed to be 19 years old — as well as a woman, whose involvement in the mugging is unclear.
    In March, two federal agents who were investigating Silk Road — the underground online Web site where users buy drugs and weapons using bitcoins — were busted for pocketing the virtual currency for their own personal use.
    Ross Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, was sentenced to life in prison last week after he was found guilty of running the black-market site.
    His business, which he ran under the name Dread Pirate Roberts, generated about $1.2 billion, the FBI said.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclu...ry?id=31530828

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    wat
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post

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    lololol, that was the other tab I had opened, copied the wrong link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post

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    wat

    " This is a stickup — of your virtual cash!"

    extra starch white collar crime obv

    I may be wrong, possibly a first, but if they're selling x,y,z, down the corner (no weapons or items that could adversely affect a number of people) and I can produce a license for purchase of said products, knowining
    full well this information is recorded,then Bitcoins will truly
    be a thing of the past. Otherwise I'm not so sure.

    IRS. Ahead of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    exclusive-alleged-dennis-hastert-sex-abuse-victim-named/story

    wat

    " This is a stickup — of your virtual cash!"

    extra starch white collar crime obv

    I may be wrong, possibly a first, but if they're selling x,y,z, down the corner (no weapons or items that could adversely affect a number of people) and I can produce a license for purchase of said products, knowining
    full well this information is recorded,then Bitcoins will truly
    be a thing of the past. Otherwise I'm not so sure.

    IRS. Ahead of the game.

    I more or less posted it as a indictment against craigslist, but yeah that applies I guess.

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