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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    This really looks more like a massive correction than just a dip.

    I think we can learn a lot by looking at the end of 2017. Bitcoin and other crytpos had just finished a huge run-up. How huge? In March 2016, BTC was about $400. By December 2017, it was almost $20k.

    However, this was a time when it was believed crypto was on its way to widescale commercial adoption. When that didn't happen, we saw the crash of early 2018, and that seemed to be that.

    But it wasn't. Somehow -- for reasons I can't explain -- there was crypto exuberance again, despite no good reason for it. Unlike earlier crypto run-ups (optimism for what it could be) and the 2016-2017 run-up (incorrect belief of impending widescale popular adoption), one could not rationally explain why crypto was suddenly hot again.

    The NFT and shitcoin boom of 2021 -- probably somewhat inspired by Gamestop and other "dead" stock shenanigans early that year -- pushed it up even further.

    But we all knew there was no utility for the vast, vast majority of this, and the price just seemed inflated as everyone jumped on the speculation train.

    This seems to be the correction that has been inevitable. How far can it correct?

    Remember, BTC was $400 in March of 2016.

    As far as I can tell, itís totally a gamble on some millennial group psychology religion.

    It has some utility for those of us who like grey market shit, but even drug dealers and shady poker site and sportbooks like to know what theyíre holding. The utility for them is not needing to convert to cash immediately, but when something is swinging 50% in a month, it turns accepting btc into becoming another speculator.

    Even after a decade, no one can really explain the need for it other than as a store of wealth.

    I always find it amusing how btc enthusiasts hate gold bugs, but everything they say is what gold bugs have always said. Too much printed money. Fuck the traditional banking system. Both started in libertarian circles.

    If I click on any btc news itís either going to be an old man who hates it, or some young enthusiast talking about the next company ready to adopt it. But Iíve been hearing about the mainstreaming of BTC for 8 years now.

    Like we need more ways to pay for shit. I have ten ways to pay for shit now. Iíve been to concerts where I canít buy a beer with cash or credit card. Iím sitting there with a roll of hundreds in my pocket needing to pull up Apple Pay or google pay. Kids scanning QR codes for payment systems I didnít know existed.

    I donít want to have to go through three factor authentication and hope some hacker doesnít steal my btc to buy a beer. There are just way more convenient ways to pay for shit than btc will ever be, unless youíve converted into a bitpay card, in which case itís fiat currency anyway at that point.

    I donít doubt what BCB said, that a bunch of young minds are flocking to blockchain. Itís been trendy. But we also live in a world where 18 year olds call 28 year olds boomers, so trying to pick some arbitrary point thatís the bottom when it could all of a sudden flip and become their uncles crypto and nerdy to own is impossible to guess.

    I liked your comment -for reasons I canít explain. That statement describes all of crypto. At least early, when the economy hit a snag, it rose. Now itís just in lockstep with the economy as a whole.

    I laugh at myself looking at it drop and feeling cheap. Like Iím thinking what if it drops to $8k as Iíve seen bears say, how much would I buy? But at whatever price, Iím just gambling because I wouldnít pay $8k for an ounce of gold. Iím gambling on it continuing to be the most popular millennial toy in an economy with inflation through the roof and young people continuing to have less disposable income with their salaries becoming less. The get your paycheck in crypto as a hedge against inflation argument is now a lie and untrue statement.

    I legit laugh at myself with my thumb hovering over the buy button all the way down and thanking god I never push it. Something feeling cheap is only relative to what it was priced at one point, not itís actual value.


    I liked your post because it didnít claim any insight. I feel like Iíve never read any btc explanation that has any true insight, yet all claim to. People feel very strongly one way or the other without the ability to articulate it, because it canít be explained. Itís a pure gamble. The market is always a group psychology experiment, but btc is one on steroids.

    If everyone who says buy or everyone who says itís going to zero prefaced their recommendation with your -for reasons I canít explain-it would be a lot more honest.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Itís a pure gamble.

    you know who loves a good ponzi?


    rich people and institutional investors.


    you know who ends up holding their bags?


    everyone else.

     
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    binance bought 2b worth of btc this weekend to stabilize price.
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    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    binance bought 2b worth of btc this weekend to stabilize price.
    I once was a big fan of Binance. I even posted a Jew referral code here for new signups when they were rapidly expanding into the US market.

    However, I've since soured on them. Not only is their customer service absolute shit, but there's been tons of rumblings about them being shady, and they seem on the verge of a big scandal.

    Kind of how I felt about UB in 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    binance bought 2b worth of btc this weekend to stabilize price.
    I once was a big fan of Binance. I even posted a Jew referral code here for new signups when they were rapidly expanding into the US market.

    However, I've since soured on them. Not only is their customer service absolute shit, but there's been tons of rumblings about them being shady, and they seem on the verge of a big scandal.

    Kind of how I felt about UB in 2007.

    apparently it might just be bad reporting in this case, binance is denying it, i think.

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1538635203152859136
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    It√ā¬ís a pure gamble.

    you know who loves a good ponzi?


    rich people and institutional investors.


    you know who ends up holding their bags?


    everyone else.
    Forget the investment angle. Iím with you on almost all of these alt coins being straight ponzis. Anything that makes you more money by bringing in new money or pays dividends when itís only making $ by new adopters is a ponzi.


    Btc in theory isnít a straight ponzi, but it requires people continuing to use it. It doesnít require, on a basic level, new money to come in to exist as a store of wealth. So not a Ponzi by definition. It does require new money to sustain the levels itís traded at or anything close, so ponzi-like if you bought in for more than a few hundred. It could go to $100, but ponzis go to zero.

    Something that was $5 in 2011 being worth $100 in 2022 isnít a ponzi. Itís great growth. Just not for the 99% who paid more for it.

    It requires oversight as one canít trust an exchange to not spend their money when things are going great and not have it when things are going poorly. But thatís not a ponzi, thatís corruption. More like Full Tilt. Wasnít a Ponzi, created tons of profit, but not as much as they blew thinking it would always be profitable. Some of these exchanges give me Full Tilt vibes.

    You understand tech on a high level. Iím a neo-Luddite

    Iíve seen this reoccurring theme. I see it on Bill Maher. I see it on Bill Simmons. I see it on Joe Rogan. Iíve seen it a hundred times.

    Guest is on who is successful and loves crypto. Theyíll say explain to me why itís so great.

    Youíll hear some generic response. Blockchain will change the world. Or theyíll just be dismissive and say they canít really adequately explain it in the time allotted.

    Iíve heard Simmons ask Harolabob five times without an actual response

    As someone who works in that world, what does the actual blockchain provide to a company that something else couldnít? Why is it revolutionary?

    I legit have no idea. I grasp itís transparent, but that hasnít stopped it from being home to a million scams and hacks. Oh great, I can see exactly when I was robbed, and that someone then dumped it to another account in Estonia, but I have zero recourse to get it back or do anything about it. My bank gives me my money back if someone steals from me.


    I get you hate it, but just on a purely technical level, is there anything revolutionary about it that if implemented in a practical sense, not as an investment, is a leap forward? I keep trying to get why people think blockchain will be implemented by companies as more than a way to pay for things. Iíve never seen any answer I can grasp.

    Iím not against it. I have bought it. Might again. But I gamble on shit all the time. I think BTC might actually grow stronger by eliminating all the competition. To me thatís the greatest protection from the kids turning on it. That itís the only one left standing and itís still cooler to them than a bank or trying to do their homework on the stock market.

    If you canít explain it to a fifty year old, and most of those guys arenít idiots, itís problematic considering that who has the wealth.

    Even that article BCB talked about with OíLeary. He couldnít tell you what it did for a company. He likes it because smart people are going into it. Brilliant people were working for and investing with Elizabeth Holmes.

    Iíve just never seen anything like it, where itís had this tremendous success, yet no one can adequately explain why itís revolutionary.

     
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    Saw nft of Steph Curry for 20k good investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I think BTC might actually grow stronger by eliminating all the competition.
    This will NEVER happen.

    The entire Crypto economy raises and falls on Bitcoin because it was the FIRST crypto.

    Just like Cyberpunks was the first NFT.

    Bitcoin has nothing to do with defi or nft's.

    What is happening in crypto right now is bringing the price of Bitcoin and Ethereum down are "decentralized finance companies" that are leveraged 25 to 1 or higher. These defi companies are borrowing massive amounts of money mostly on Ethereum. However some companies had assets in Bitcoin which they used as collateral to borrow even more money. Some companies then announced that they would not process withdrawals which brought down the entire crypto market.


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    slightly off topic but Steph Curry is a great basketball player because he has some white blood

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    you know who loves a good ponzi?


    rich people and institutional investors.


    you know who ends up holding their bags?


    everyone else.
    Forget the investment angle. Iím with you on almost all of these alt coins being straight ponzis. Anything that makes you more money by bringing in new money or pays dividends when itís only making $ by new adopters is a ponzi.


    Btc in theory isnít a straight ponzi, but it requires people continuing to use it. It doesnít require, on a basic level, new money to come in to exist as a store of wealth. So not a Ponzi by definition. It does require new money to sustain the levels itís traded at or anything close, so ponzi-like if you bought in for more than a few hundred. It could go to $100, but ponzis go to zero.

    Something that was $5 in 2011 being worth $100 in 2022 isnít a ponzi. Itís great growth. Just not for the 99% who paid more for it.

    It requires oversight as one canít trust an exchange to not spend their money when things are going great and not have it when things are going poorly. But thatís not a ponzi, thatís corruption. More like Full Tilt. Wasnít a Ponzi, created tons of profit, but not as much as they blew thinking it would always be profitable. Some of these exchanges give me Full Tilt vibes.

    You understand tech on a high level. Iím a neo-Luddite

    Iíve seen this reoccurring theme. I see it on Bill Maher. I see it on Bill Simmons. I see it on Joe Rogan. Iíve seen it a hundred times.

    Guest is on who is successful and loves crypto. Theyíll say explain to me why itís so great.

    Youíll hear some generic response. Blockchain will change the world. Or theyíll just be dismissive and say they canít really adequately explain it in the time allotted.

    Iíve heard Simmons ask Harolabob five times without an actual response

    As someone who works in that world, what does the actual blockchain provide to a company that something else couldnít? Why is it revolutionary?

    I legit have no idea. I grasp itís transparent, but that hasnít stopped it from being home to a million scams and hacks. Oh great, I can see exactly when I was robbed, and that someone then dumped it to another account in Estonia, but I have zero recourse to get it back or do anything about it. My bank gives me my money back if someone steals from me.


    I get you hate it, but just on a purely technical level, is there anything revolutionary about it that if implemented in a practical sense, not as an investment, is a leap forward? I keep trying to get why people think blockchain will be implemented by companies as more than a way to pay for things. Iíve never seen any answer I can grasp.

    Iím not against it. I have bought it. Might again. But I gamble on shit all the time. I think BTC might actually grow stronger by eliminating all the competition. To me thatís the greatest protection from the kids turning on it. That itís the only one left standing and itís still cooler to them than a bank or trying to do their homework on the stock market.

    If you canít explain it to a fifty year old, and most of those guys arenít idiots, itís problematic considering that who has the wealth.

    Even that article BCB talked about with OíLeary. He couldnít tell you what it did for a company. He likes it because smart people are going into it. Brilliant people were working for and investing with Elizabeth Holmes.

    Iíve just never seen anything like it, where itís had this tremendous success, yet no one can adequately explain why itís revolutionary.


    to be clear i dont hate the technology, i hate the culture.

    when crypto was 'a solution in search of a problem' i said ok well, its quite clever i suppose and it might shake up some things.

    it not shake up some things, at least nothing that benefitted society.

    it simply became a self fulfilling prophesy where sales goons (the absolute shit tier of humanity) parasitically inserted themselves into the narrative and then ate its meat/bones and danced around in its desiccated corpse to attract VC.

    it still takes months to buy a house. we still cant vote from home.

    i interviewed with a crypto based fintech startup back in 2018 or so. their whole schtick was like 'yeah we are going to disrupt banking' and my dick got _super_ hard and i was like FUCK YEAH LETS CREATE A BLOCKCHAIN BASED SWIFT ALTERNATIVE and they literally said naw thats too scary we just want to use crypto to facilitate some sort of crowdsourced loan grift.

    oh punch line the person interviewing me was a libertarian ex NSA operator half my age with no hair who couldnt stop vaping during our interview.

    yeah i passed and they folded without ever launching a few months later. they probably burned through mid eight figures in VC while doing so.




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post

    Forget the investment angle. Iím with you on almost all of these alt coins being straight ponzis. Anything that makes you more money by bringing in new money or pays dividends when itís only making $ by new adopters is a ponzi.


    Btc in theory isnít a straight ponzi, but it requires people continuing to use it. It doesnít require, on a basic level, new money to come in to exist as a store of wealth. So not a Ponzi by definition. It does require new money to sustain the levels itís traded at or anything close, so ponzi-like if you bought in for more than a few hundred. It could go to $100, but ponzis go to zero.

    Something that was $5 in 2011 being worth $100 in 2022 isnít a ponzi. Itís great growth. Just not for the 99% who paid more for it.

    It requires oversight as one canít trust an exchange to not spend their money when things are going great and not have it when things are going poorly. But thatís not a ponzi, thatís corruption. More like Full Tilt. Wasnít a Ponzi, created tons of profit, but not as much as they blew thinking it would always be profitable. Some of these exchanges give me Full Tilt vibes.

    You understand tech on a high level. Iím a neo-Luddite

    Iíve seen this reoccurring theme. I see it on Bill Maher. I see it on Bill Simmons. I see it on Joe Rogan. Iíve seen it a hundred times.

    Guest is on who is successful and loves crypto. Theyíll say explain to me why itís so great.

    Youíll hear some generic response. Blockchain will change the world. Or theyíll just be dismissive and say they canít really adequately explain it in the time allotted.

    Iíve heard Simmons ask Harolabob five times without an actual response

    As someone who works in that world, what does the actual blockchain provide to a company that something else couldnít? Why is it revolutionary?

    I legit have no idea. I grasp itís transparent, but that hasnít stopped it from being home to a million scams and hacks. Oh great, I can see exactly when I was robbed, and that someone then dumped it to another account in Estonia, but I have zero recourse to get it back or do anything about it. My bank gives me my money back if someone steals from me.


    I get you hate it, but just on a purely technical level, is there anything revolutionary about it that if implemented in a practical sense, not as an investment, is a leap forward? I keep trying to get why people think blockchain will be implemented by companies as more than a way to pay for things. Iíve never seen any answer I can grasp.

    Iím not against it. I have bought it. Might again. But I gamble on shit all the time. I think BTC might actually grow stronger by eliminating all the competition. To me thatís the greatest protection from the kids turning on it. That itís the only one left standing and itís still cooler to them than a bank or trying to do their homework on the stock market.

    If you canít explain it to a fifty year old, and most of those guys arenít idiots, itís problematic considering that who has the wealth.

    Even that article BCB talked about with OíLeary. He couldnít tell you what it did for a company. He likes it because smart people are going into it. Brilliant people were working for and investing with Elizabeth Holmes.

    Iíve just never seen anything like it, where itís had this tremendous success, yet no one can adequately explain why itís revolutionary.


    to be clear i dont hate the technology, i hate the culture.

    when crypto was 'a solution in search of a problem' i said ok well, its quite clever i suppose and it might shake up some things.

    it not shake up some things, at least nothing that benefitted society.

    it simply became a self fulfilling prophesy where sales goons (the absolute shit tier of humanity) parasitically inserted themselves into the narrative and then ate its meat/bones and danced around in its desiccated corpse to attract VC.

    it still takes months to buy a house. we still cant vote from home.

    i interviewed with a crypto based fintech startup back in 2018 or so. their whole schtick was like 'yeah we are going to disrupt banking' and my dick got _super_ hard and i was like FUCK YEAH LETS CREATE A BLOCKCHAIN BASED SWIFT ALTERNATIVE and they literally said naw thats too scary we just want to use crypto to facilitate some sort of crowdsourced loan grift.

    oh punch line the person interviewing me was a libertarian ex NSA operator half my age with no hair who couldnt stop vaping during our interview.

    yeah i passed and they folded without ever launching a few months later. they probably burned through mid eight figures in VC while doing so.




    Good read

    As for that video, I really don't even have words.

    Before today, I never realized or even bothered looking up (cuz IDGAF) that he has a sister. I didn't realize until today that there are multiple members of his family who are just amazingly tone deaf and completely disconnected from normal society.

    Perhaps there was the whole family of lizard people who landed here, and not Just Mark.

    I wonder what Dee Snyder and the rest of TS would think of this atrocity. I can't imagine that they are very happy.

     
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    I Just googled after making that last post...

    And nope...its safe to say that Snyder is definitely not happy.


    https://junkee.com/mark-zuckerbergs-...-anthem/323911

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    Aren’t you surprised Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF FTX) hasn’t bought a stake in any media yet?

    SBF is gonna buy Twitter from Elon to ban truth speakers

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    I came so close to up to uploading my DNA to Twitter too

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    I really need to stop checking in on crypto & SBF. Iím being redundant. When I skim SBF news itís like quicksand that draws you in until your day ends up dead.

    Itís a rabbit hole that guarantees to delight and appall. I mean itís the core question: is SBF a hero or villain.

    Sam just rescued BlockFi it seems.
    BlockFi secures $250 million revolving credit facility from crypto exchange FTX
    This guy wants to be BlackRock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post



    to be clear i dont hate the technology, i hate the culture.

    when crypto was 'a solution in search of a problem' i said ok well, its quite clever i suppose and it might shake up some things.

    it not shake up some things, at least nothing that benefitted society.

    it simply became a self fulfilling prophesy where sales goons (the absolute shit tier of humanity) parasitically inserted themselves into the narrative and then ate its meat/bones and danced around in its desiccated corpse to attract VC.

    it still takes months to buy a house. we still cant vote from home.

    i interviewed with a crypto based fintech startup back in 2018 or so. their whole schtick was like 'yeah we are going to disrupt banking' and my dick got _super_ hard and i was like FUCK YEAH LETS CREATE A BLOCKCHAIN BASED SWIFT ALTERNATIVE and they literally said naw thats too scary we just want to use crypto to facilitate some sort of crowdsourced loan grift.

    oh punch line the person interviewing me was a libertarian ex NSA operator half my age with no hair who couldnt stop vaping during our interview.

    yeah i passed and they folded without ever launching a few months later. they probably burned through mid eight figures in VC while doing so.




    Good read

    As for that video, I really don't even have words.

    Before today, I never realized or even bothered looking up (cuz IDGAF) that he has a sister. I didn't realize until today that there are multiple members of his family who are just amazingly tone deaf and completely disconnected from normal society.

    Perhaps there was the whole family of lizard people who landed here, and not Just Mark.

    I wonder what Dee Snyder and the rest of TS would think of this atrocity. I can't imagine that they are very happy.
    The funny part is it’s literally almost impossible to make that song more cringe yet she pulled it off.

    Even as a rebellious teenager when it came out, it was horribly cringe-worthy. Twisted Sister was like Stryper-level bad, yet still disrespected by that cover. That’s an accomplishment. It’s like making a Richard Marx or Michael Bolton song more corny. Hard to do.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gordman View Post


    Good read

    As for that video, I really don't even have words.

    Before today, I never realized or even bothered looking up (cuz IDGAF) that he has a sister. I didn't realize until today that there are multiple members of his family who are just amazingly tone deaf and completely disconnected from normal society.

    Perhaps there was the whole family of lizard people who landed here, and not Just Mark.

    I wonder what Dee Snyder and the rest of TS would think of this atrocity. I can't imagine that they are very happy.
    The funny part is itís literally almost impossible to make that song more cringe yet she pulled it off.

    Even as a rebellious teenager when it came out, it was horribly cringe-worthy. Twisted Sister was like Stryper-level bad, yet still disrespected by that cover. Thatís an accomplishment. Itís like making a Richard Marx or Michael Bolton song more corny. Hard to do.

    Wait... I'm going to stop you right there.

    So, tell me...what is it that you don't like about Michael Bolton? He is an amazing guy and an even more amazing singer. I literally celebrate his entire catalog. I don't think it gets any better than when he sings When A Man Loves A Woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
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    you know who loves a good ponzi?


    rich people and institutional investors.


    you know who ends up holding their bags?


    everyone else.
    what does the actual blockchain provide to a company that something else couldn’t?
    If you have few hours to spare the video below is likely the best compromise between accuracy and brevity...



    ...it touches most relevant things since 2008 to 5 months ago.

    Today maybe the least clunky thing blockchain can provide is crowdfunding with a vote share based on owned tokens. Flash loans is another thing that mostly functions in crypto space. Not saying it's not a leverage nightmare, but it mostly doesn't exists anywhere else for retail. Those are all smart contract based and BTC network currently is useless for it.

    I have no idea what you can possibly do with BTC. Essentially it's antiquated tech today and you would either have to build on top of it or fundamentally change it. I have no idea why anyone would do that instead of starting from scratch or using coins that are better suited for it.

    Today most "crypto" projects are that only by name and they strive to interact as little as possible with blockchain. Mostly because current blockchains are slow, clunky and expensive. Traditional mail is at least slower and less secure but somehow cheaper than BTC/ETH based transactions.

    As is most crypto applications are shitty reinventions of the wheel. Maybe hexagons on a good day. They kinda work.

    ps. regarding your question there's no real answer. It's ok for speculation, buzzwords, burning electricity and collecting venture capital.

    pps. forgot the best thing crypto is suited for. Not really a blockchain thingie per say, but crypto is fairly good for buying crypto.

     
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