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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
    I have never had a problem paying for something. Sometimes I've had trouble having enough money to buy what I want, but never have I had issues deciding on the many choices I already have. If I forget to grab enough cash I can always hit a free ATM machine, or pay with my Visa debit card and incur zero fees, I can also do an EFTPOS (electronic funds transfer at point of sale) or swipe my phone even, and if I'm really stuck for choices I can write a cheque. Or the dreaded CC and absorb some fees, which I never do being a cheapskate.
    I'd be MUCH more concerned with someone hacking my crypto coins then the bank having to eat any fraudulent charges. And if I have to lock them away in cold storage it kinda defeats your argument that the funds are always accessible.

    Yeah that blockchain technology very well could be incorporated into our lives, but not in the current manner it's being used.

    Banks are never closed, I turn on my phone and I can transfer up to $100,000 per day 24/7... furthermore many of these transactions are instantaneous if it's to the same institution, and usually free. To another bank it might take 24hrs, but usually free. Then of course we have ATM's if you really need cash.
    I've never had a bank account closed or shutdown. The closest I've come to having a bank account closed is from receiving money from Coinjar when I sold some BTC recently.

    Well I sincerely hope you are wrong, an uprising and mass migration to cryptos will suck. Too many coins in the hands of just a few, and this wealth was not really earned or deserved.
    But on the other hand, I wouldn't mind if people stood up to the governments and the 1% that rule us.

    Good luck with your six figures, greed is good.
    Paying for stuff, I don't think I've really had a problem at the time. I don't know what the maximum you can withdrawal from an ATM is, but I doubt you can get $20k+. I also can't access my safe deposit box 24/7. My dad got all his banking stuff f***ed up because he bought a boat on a credit card, paid it off a few days later, then the bank said that was "suspicious behavior" because most people don't pay off their CC in full.

    My grandpa uses cash for pretty much everything and he'd deposit or withdrawal cash when necessary. One day his account got flagged or suspended for "suspicious withdrawals/deposits" (or something like that) and had to go through a whole rigmarole to get it fixed. In the mean time, his social security or whatever it is old people get, stopped going through because of his account being suspended. Now, he doesn't particularly need that SS money, but it definitely helps and is something he's paid into and deserves.

    The banks shouldn't be allowed to lock up your account because you're using your money the way you want to, especially when it's being used legally, small amounts, and no evidence or ties to any illegal activity. Your money is literally in their hands and at their mercy.

    I had a credit card turned off a while back. It was always paid in full (automatic payment from my checking account). They wouldn't tell me what happened or why it was turned off. It really f***ed me up because I was in the middle of a trip and that was the card I used when travelling, as well as monthly bills like electricity, gas, cable, Pandora, iTunes, etc. and it was also set up through a bunch of websites so I wouldn't have to re-enter my CC information again (like through Caesars hotel reservation website, Amazon, and others). Now the problem was, other than fixing all over those and changing it to a new CC to be automatically billed, I didn't remember all the things that were being billed on that CC, so a few weeks/months later, I'd get services shut off (like Sirius XM and Pandora, IIRC) because the card couldn't get charged. Thankfully, it was nothing important and I didn't get charged interest for not paying.

    Yeah, right now there's a bit of a problem of having to secure the coins in cold storage, but I can imagine this would only be a short term "problem". I'd imagine a secure device, like a smart phone (but secure, and specific to cryptocoins) would be made where you can scan a QR code and send the amount you owe.

    Yes, if/when there's a mass migration and adaptation to cryptos, it would totally suck (for most people), but that's mostly because the economy would be absolutely dogshit and everything would be all chaotic. Eventually, I think it will happen, once people realize how much they're getting screwed.


    EDIT: Also, many of the problems aren't necessarily for us in the USA, but for people in other countries. Our economy is pretty stable compared to some other countries's economies.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
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    I guess the rule here is you hit submit and wait a week and hope it hits your account. Since there is 0 regulation, you are totally fucked if your coins or cash gets stolen because there is no recourse. I hope your friend sets aside 39.4% for taxes, he will almost certainly will get flagged.

    Welcome to Full Tilt poker. Hit submit for a withdraw and hold your breath. If there is ever a run on withdraws the system collapses. I guarantee the owners of these exchanges do not have anywhere close to the reserves, and why do they care they are not regulated so what the fuck.
    He's a private psychologist so he knows very well how to handle this from a taxation perspective. Anyways generally anything over 10k is getting you flagged. He purposely chose a Canadian exchange for both tax and accountability issues.

    He also made a killing on activision stock 13 years ago.
    Yeah, I get it. Lurky friend using sketchy Canadian site and banking system to bypass US tax laws, like that will not eventually get to the IRS is a couple years. I mean this is just not a business I want to even get near. I can assure you your friend is not as rich as he is claiming, look for a for-sale sign in his yard in a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    None it wasn't an exchange just work.

    My exchange even with Tier 4 verification is $200k max at a time. That is another reason $3M is unlikely.
    Well someone on this site a couple months said 'a friend' hit submit and poof, $3M in their account, I am too lazy to search it, but its in this thread somewhere. Your situation is obviously unique and not available to the general public.

    I guess my question has been, if you have a flash drive with 20 bitcoins on it, can you go to a website and hit sell and get a wire the next day for $280,000. It does not appear that can be the case. I don't give a shit either way, I am just curious if this site exists because I would think they would have a message board and would like to read the messages. But it does not appear to exist.
    Your only options are the exchanges, localbitcoins, a forum, bitcoin atm or selling to a friend. Waiting for a wire sucks sometimes if errors are made but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post

    Well someone on this site a couple months said 'a friend' hit submit and poof, $3M in their account, I am too lazy to search it, but its in this thread somewhere. Your situation is obviously unique and not available to the general public.

    I guess my question has been, if you have a flash drive with 20 bitcoins on it, can you go to a website and hit sell and get a wire the next day for $280,000. It does not appear that can be the case. I don't give a shit either way, I am just curious if this site exists because I would think they would have a message board and would like to read the messages. But it does not appear to exist.
    Your only options are the exchanges, localbitcoins, a forum, bitcoin atm or selling to a friend. Waiting for a wire sucks sometimes if errors are made but it is what it is.
    Basically for anything above $10,000 you need a private transaction, it would not be available to the public. I get there is an example here and there. But this is anything but mainstream. You have to understand the risks of cashing out of bitcoin, and when I say cashing out its not a poker type balance in an online non-regulated SEC account. It's getting money into say Bank of America. I am not saying crypto is a scam, I am just saying this in 2018 is fraught with terrible risk. There is so much better reward going to a casino because you can leave with your money on a 40-60 type odds which is about the same as trading bitcoin except in bitcoin there is a possibility you never get your cash, or with massive anxiety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    Your only options are the exchanges, localbitcoins, a forum, bitcoin atm or selling to a friend. Waiting for a wire sucks sometimes if errors are made but it is what it is.
    Basically for anything above $10,000 you need a private transaction, it would not be available to the public. I get there is an example here and there. But this is anything but mainstream. You have to understand the risks of cashing out of bitcoin, and when I say cashing out its not a poker type balance in an online non-regulated SEC account. It's getting money into say Bank of America. I am not saying crypto is a scam, I am just saying this in 2018 is fraught with terrible risk. There is so much better reward going to a casino because you can leave with your money on a 40-60 type odds which is about the same as trading bitcoin except in bitcoin there is a possibility you never get your cash, or with massive anxiety.
    You may be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post

    He's a private psychologist so he knows very well how to handle this from a taxation perspective. Anyways generally anything over 10k is getting you flagged. He purposely chose a Canadian exchange for both tax and accountability issues.

    He also made a killing on activision stock 13 years ago.
    Yeah, I get it. Lurky friend using sketchy Canadian site and banking system to bypass US tax laws, like that will not eventually get to the IRS is a couple years. I mean this is just not a business I want to even get near. I can assure you your friend is not as rich as he is claiming, look for a for-sale sign in his yard in a year or two.
    I'm not sure you understand anything at all.... Hey genius he;s Canadian...

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    While you all sleep you are missing a buying op. Things go in cycles, everything now double digit red, buy!

    Buy when there is blood, we have been here every week or two many many times. If you like money, buy.

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    That stat means nothing except for that very moment you realize that right?

    It could be $13.6k today and $15k tomorrow and back again or up. But you know this...

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1F41G9


    BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese authorities plan to block domestic access to Chinese and offshore cryptocurrency platforms that allow centralized trading, Bloomberg reported Monday citing sources.

    Chinese authorities will also target individuals and companies that provide market-making, settlement and clearing services for centralized trading, Bloomberg reported.




    QUICK EVERYONE FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO IGNORED MY WARNINGS OR BIG DICK WILL NEG ME AGAIN
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1F41G9


    BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese authorities plan to block domestic access to Chinese and offshore cryptocurrency platforms that allow centralized trading, Bloomberg reported Monday citing sources.

    Chinese authorities will also target individuals and companies that provide market-making, settlement and clearing services for centralized trading, Bloomberg reported.




    QUICK EVERYONE FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO IGNORED MY WARNINGS OR BIG DICK WILL NEG ME AGAIN
    Check out how NEO and GAS are doing. Guess they didnt get the memo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    Ah, but there is a wolf. The wolf has graciously elected to allow everyone to graze in the meadow and get fat. But the wolf is there.

    There was no true price discovery. You couldn’t short. The market was thin and controlled by a few. Some crooked exchanges trading their own account and printing fake tape. This provided the early ingredients for a bubble fueled by a swell libertarian narrative and some fun maths.
    I am feeling a note of repetition but LOVE this. Karpeles was an important pioneer and never got the credit he deserves for making this all possible.

    Researchers find that one person likely drove Bitcoin from $150 to $1,000

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/15/re...m-150-to-1000/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1F41G9


    BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese authorities plan to block domestic access to Chinese and offshore cryptocurrency platforms that allow centralized trading, Bloomberg reported Monday citing sources.

    Chinese authorities will also target individuals and companies that provide market-making, settlement and clearing services for centralized trading, Bloomberg reported.




    QUICK EVERYONE FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO IGNORED MY WARNINGS OR BIG DICK WILL NEG ME AGAIN
    You been warning since $200. And cost people millions if they listened to you. Keep up the good work.

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    OHHH SNAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by snake_in_the_ass View Post

    You been warning since $200. And cost people millions if they listened to you. Keep up the good work.

    Reuters
    Jan. 15, 2018
    WASHINGTON — Sonatine, whose work has persuaded many to forego huge riches and to pay more attention to human behavior, was nominated for the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences on Monday.

    Sonatine is the rare economist to win a measure of fame before winning the prize. He is an author of a the top rated PFA thread, “Bitcoins are DD” dedicated to helping people to make better decisions. He is also a famed food critic and political pundit. He is the author of “What If There Were Cell Phone Alerts in 1968”.

    The Nobel committee, announcing the nomination in Stockholm, said that it was considering Sonatine for his pioneering work in establishing that people are predictably irrational and Bitcoins are DD — that they consistently behave in ways that defy economic theory and good sense.

    Druff will refuse to pay more for an umbrella during a rainstorm.

    The committee credited Sonatine, who teaches at the PFA Forum, for moving economics toward a more realistic understanding of human behavior, and for using the resulting insights to improve public policies, notably a sweeping shift toward the removing Republicans right to vote.

    “In order to do good economics, you have to keep in mind that people are stupid,” Sonatine said at a news conference after the announcement.

    Asked how he would spend the prize money of about $1.1 million, Sonatine replied, “This is quite a funny question.” He added, “I will try to invest it as irrationally as possible, perhaps a gfe 3 way with Krypt.

    Sonatine has written that he began to have “deviant thoughts” on NWP. His career was shaped by his discovery of the work of lol wow and his longtime collaborator, Zap the Fractions, who were advancing the idea that people needed to grapple with the actual fact that shit is DD.

     
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    lol at tine getting roasted in newsletter form

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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    literally just respond with nothing but kermit til these dorks get their head on straight, please.

     
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol wow View Post
    lol at tine getting roasted in newsletter form
    Sorry for all the passive aggressive shit lately. It’s not you, it’s me.

    Lean in toward me and close your eyes.

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