Newest Lock Poker scam: Big withdrawals canceled, support unresponsive

[knows_some_things]

Add to this, how can a, well, let's be mild and say in a grey-area operating poker company in this time and age admit that their systems are used for money laundering, in an official press release?
Taking aside if money laundering accusation is true or not, especially as the company seems to interpret the term 'money laundering' very loosely, for most other persons not involved in inter-player transfers affairs aka Lock, it has a very different meaning.
No matter if it is a try to point fingers at p2p affected players and black-mouth them as criminals, or true, it is officially admitting that their poker systems are used for criminal actions.
Very bad in my opinion.

Not just a few weeks late.

They're also avoiding most of the important topics.

And they're lying about the reason this all happened.

Other than that, it was a great press release.

[RyPac13]

Haley's quote from Sinclair just sums it up so perfectly.

Why anyone would put stock into someone that has such a conflicting interest is beyond me. That doesn't make this Gerry guy a bad person, but good, smart people can be put in places of conflicting interest and not see the light until much too late.

Plus, the nature of online poker rooms, where partial information (much like poker) is heavy, but true facts (like putting a player on one hand) are almost always lacking... it's very easy to gloss over major warning signs and come to the wrong conclusion.

I'm happy to see Steve-o coming around on a lot of the partial information that all seems to point against Lock. I still don't like that you say "I say I don't trust any US facing sites" because it is too kind to Lock to lump them in with these other sites. Even Merge, who has had some payout issues lately and has taken some very poor actions against users (not honoring tournament tickets that users bought into on skins that Merge takes over, let alone VIP points), they still don't compare to Lock's inconsistency and outright lies about some situations. That doesn't mean your statement isn't true, but it's like saying "there are problems at every poker room." This is true, even the top poker rooms do have problems sometimes, but it's almost purposely making a situation vague. Like saying Lehman Brothers might have bad debt, but every bank has bad debt.

I'm of the mind that people should've seen this coming. I mean, you were all aware of the casino bonuses scandal, the Girah "lawsuit" used to end Lock's explanation of that incident. Last summer the biggest rakers, what should be Lock's best customers, were making up to 150% rakeback for 2-3 months. How on earth would something like that be sustainable? Especially in the USA industry, where every other room offers players less rewards than the euro facing networks (indicating less competition and higher operating costs).

Throw in the clear lies Shane told about Portugal from Dan's (appears now to be very reliable) source, as well as this Cyprus stuff that appears to be of the same lying variety. Spotty reasoning Shane gives about cashouts, broken promises that it'll be fixed next month (he's literally said it every month or two since September...).

There's just so much wrong here and it's honestly worse than every other US facing site's scandals, dirt and lies combined.

Something like "I wouldn't trust any US facing site, they're all prone to additional risk, but Lock is particularly worrisome" starts to get into the neighborhood of accurate, but is still underplaying the information the community currently has.

[RyPac13]

Add to this, how can a, well, let's be mild and say in a grey-area operating poker company in this time and age admit that their systems are used for money laundering, in an official press release?
Taking aside if money laundering accusation is true or not, especially as the company seems to interpret the term 'money laundering' very loosely, for most other persons not involved in inter-player transfers affairs aka Lock, it has a very different meaning.
No matter if it is a try to point fingers at p2p affected players and black-mouth them as criminals, or true, it is officially admitting that their poker systems are used for criminal actions.
Very bad in my opinion.

Not just a few weeks late.

They're also avoiding most of the important topics.

And they're lying about the reason this all happened.

Other than that, it was a great press release.

Knowing a little bit about some of the different affiliates involved in this and their patterns of buying money, "money laundering" is being given an entirely new meaning.

In some cases, non USA affiliates simply bought up and had friends buy up large amounts of funds at market rates, and then cashed them out through skrill. If a playthrough requirement was in place, Lock should have enforced it. If this did not apply to pros and affiliates, then Lock should've kept an eye on this happening for the last 8+ months.

The stories that Shane gives about these players driving down the price of Lock and clogging up cashouts, it doesn't make sense.

#1 - The price of Lock has gone down as cashout times have increased in the last 6-8 months. This is as simple as looking at the cashout threads and trading threads, it's pretty consistent and easy to see.

#2 - If affiliates could not buy Lock money to help their players cashout faster and to speculate for profit, there would be less buyers. Less buyers, but just as many people wanting to sell would mean the players would get even less money for their Lock money. And that money would still go to players that would play through the money to speculate for profit, and just as many cashouts would be going through to be cashed out.

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Whether or not Lock goes under soon is anyone's guess. I'm not confident enough to drive the nail in the coffin yet. So many people have made so much money from Lock, and so many bullshit excuses have been taken at face value for years, that I feel like it has to potential to go on quite a bit longer. Account seizures using a new meaning of money laundering and a retroactive policy, cutting back on promotions, taking a long ass time to cashout, changing the rules of the game so that you stretch every last casual player's deposit as much as possible and being 5+ months behind on paying the network can perhaps combine to keep this machine kicking longer than it otherwise would. And nobody really expects Cake to lay a hammer down. People still remember Doyle's Room, and Cake (USA is now Juicy Stakes) themselves used to be the worst place to cashout from (until Lock took that crown late last year).

Edit: And I'm certainly not defending the affiliate speculators. But not because they were doing anything wrong, simply because Lock has been a shady site, and they knew it, and as soon as Lock's cashouts took awhile, they stopped referring players there, moved them to other skins/networks, but kept buying up Lock funds for .50-.70, speculating that they would eventually be able to cash them out for that profit. It was a calculated risk that they took and if Lock just says "we're keeping your money" then that was part of the risk, at least it is pretty clear to me that Lock is capable of retroactively changing policies (again, Casino Bonuses Scandal).

[Steve-O]

Haley's quote from Sinclair just sums it up so perfectly.

Why anyone would put stock into someone that has such a conflicting interest is beyond me. That doesn't make this Gerry guy a bad person, but good, smart people can be put in places of conflicting interest and not see the light until much too late.

Plus, the nature of online poker rooms, where partial information (much like poker) is heavy, but true facts (like putting a player on one hand) are almost always lacking... it's very easy to gloss over major warning signs and come to the wrong conclusion.

I'm happy to see Steve-o coming around on a lot of the partial information that all seems to point against Lock. I still don't like that you say "I say I don't trust any US facing sites" because it is too kind to Lock to lump them in with these other sites. Even Merge, who has had some payout issues lately and has taken some very poor actions against users (not honoring tournament tickets that users bought into on skins that Merge takes over, let alone VIP points), they still don't compare to Lock's inconsistency and outright lies about some situations. That doesn't mean your statement isn't true, but it's like saying "there are problems at every poker room." This is true, even the top poker rooms do have problems sometimes, but it's almost purposely making a situation vague. Like saying Lehman Brothers might have bad debt, but every bank has bad debt.

I'm of the mind that people should've seen this coming. I mean, you were all aware of the casino bonuses scandal, the Girah "lawsuit" used to end Lock's explanation of that incident. Last summer the biggest rakers, what should be Lock's best customers, were making up to 150% rakeback for 2-3 months. How on earth would something like that be sustainable? Especially in the USA industry, where every other room offers players less rewards than the euro facing networks (indicating less competition and higher operating costs).

Throw in the clear lies Shane told about Portugal from Dan's (appears now to be very reliable) source, as well as this Cyprus stuff that appears to be of the same lying variety. Spotty reasoning Shane gives about cashouts, broken promises that it'll be fixed next month (he's literally said it every month or two since September...).

There's just so much wrong here and it's honestly worse than every other US facing site's scandals, dirt and lies combined.

Something like "I wouldn't trust any US facing site, they're all prone to additional risk, but Lock is particularly worrisome" starts to get into the neighborhood of accurate, but is still underplaying the information the community currently has.

Hi Ryan,

Just to clarify:If you read the entire series I did on US online poker for Poker Eagles (the lock link is in a previous post) you'll see I make this very distinction. Also, when I said "I don't trust any online poker room" it was just after Black Friday and long before these cashout issues, which I have always categorized as troublesome. My wagon is most certainly not hitched to Lock Poker as Haley implies.

My current feeling that I wouldn't deposit at Lock Poker until these issues are straightened out is not my stance on BCP or Carbon, so I think I've done a good job of separating these rooms as more issues come to light. I just think everyone needs to realize that EVERY US poker room is a calculated risk at this point. And as I've said in recent posts, let's pump the brakes a bit on the specualtion and focus on what we know to be true; this idle speculation detracts from the real issue which is withdrawal times, and everything that revolves around this one central issue. I think the recent WHOISTHIS investigation is also important and should be pursued, not whether they were aware of Girah chip-dumping and other things we can never prove.

[RyPac13]

Thanks, reading your articles on PokerEagles now, will update when I'm done.

Update: Your April 3rd article, I couldn't hope to have written a better one there.

March 13th, the tone is still a bit kind but I would be hard pressed to call that article inaccurate.

Conclusion: Your recent articles about Lock look to be well written and accurate.

As far as your wagon being hitched to Lock, I don't believe that is currently true. I know we had arguments here before about Lock, I thought you were being too soft on them and taking too many of their (imo hollow) excuses too much at face value. And that was when you were writing more promotional articles that were about Lock (I think for PNB and maybe some other sites). I don't want to rehash old arguments or make any false accusations, so I'll end it there, but perhaps that was more what drove Haley's tone, or perhaps she was more thinking about the PNB owner/Lock manager, who seems clearly conflicted by his relationship with Lock (much like some of the pros speaking publicly on 2p2).

[Steve-O]

Thanks, reading your articles on PokerEagles now, will update when I'm done.

Update: Your April 3rd article, I couldn't hope to have written a better one there.

March 13th, the tone is still a bit kind but I would be hard pressed to call that article inaccurate.

Conclusion: Your recent articles about Lock look to be well written and accurate.

As far as your wagon being hitched to Lock, I don't believe that is currently true. I know we had arguments here before about Lock, I thought you were being too soft on them and taking too many of their (imo hollow) excuses too much at face value. And that was when you were writing more promotional articles that were about Lock (I think for PNB and maybe some other sites). I don't want to rehash old arguments or make any false accusations, so I'll end it there, but perhaps that was more what drove Haley's tone, or perhaps she was more thinking about the PNB owner/Lock manager, who seems clearly conflicted by his relationship with Lock (much like some of the pros speaking publicly on 2p2).

What bothers me about the shill accusation is that I have never profited in any way by talking-up Lock Poker --yes I rewrite Press Releases or promotions for PNB about the site when asked, and what I mentioned earlier in this thread-- but I'm not an affiliate, and whenever someone was going to sign up at Lock anyway, i would just send them on to PNB after giving my general warning about US poker sites. I could easily have setup an affiliate account through G9OLT and get some rakeback from these people, but I never did even when prompted to because I neverwanted to have that conflict of interest.

And this is the second time she has put me on blast and questioned my motives (the other was something about the PPA which is an organization I've blasted countless times myself) so it's a bit annoying to say the least, when somebody tries to sully your reputation by spouting baseless accusations and calling me a shill. Normally I wouldn't even reply but she obviously has a grudge with me about somethingand isn't going to let it go apparently.

[F-Train]

Uh oh!

Remember this?

(snip)

As someone who has worked extensively on the corporate side of tax haven jurisdictions, I think I can add a few useful things.

1) JDB Services NV is a Curacao company, registration number 104881. Its director is Carmanco, N.V.

2) Carmanco NV is a trust company doing business as Curacao Trust Management (see http://www.trustctm.com/?eid=104 ). A trust company essentially maintains the legal fiction that companies who, in reality, are based outside of the jurisdiction, have "operations" inside the jurisdiction. This is required to obtain the tax advantages that are the driving force in most of these so-called "tax haven" jurisdiction. The trust companies serve as registered agent, provide director services, and engage in other similar functions. Carmanco NV's address is Van Engelenweg 23, Curacao. That is also the address of JDB Services NV, according to Curacao records.

In other words: JDB Services NV doesn't really have an office in Curacao. Its office is that of a trust company.

3) The WHOIS entry for JDBServicesNV.com lists a Curacao street address, a Cyprus zip code, a Curacao city, a Cyprus country and a French telephone number. I wouldn't list this as dispositive for JDB Services having a "corporate headquarters" in Cyprus, especially because...

4) The WHOIS address for lockpoker.com lists a Cyprus address that is shared by several other companies, including "Nautell Capital Ltd.", "Infora Ltd.", "Xtra TV", and others. That address is thus very likely to be the address of another trust company (although I did not peel the onion back that far to confirm this).

5) Lock's license is held by Cipaco NV, a Curacao company, registration number 124795. Its address is Dr. M.J. Hugenholtzweg Z/N UTS Building (a Curacao address). That's the same address as the WHOIS address for JDBServicesNV.com although oddly a different Curacao address than the address of its director. It's possible that this is an old address for the trust company or some affiliated company.

6) Regarding BusinessWeek's suggestion that JDB Services is based in the Netherlands, the connection of the Netherlands to Curacao should be obvious, but if it's not, Curacao was formerly part of the Netherlands Antilles, a Caribbean island nation that was (still is?) a protectorate of the Netherlands. The Netherlands also uses trust companies, so it's entirely reasonable to think that JDB Services' Netherlands "operations" are yet another trust company.

7) I will say that when companies set up in these tax haven jurisdictions through trust companies, they are usually required to set up bank accounts as well, ***although the bank accounts in the tax haven jurisdiction are usually not the primary bank accounts of the company.*** They are opened and maintained with minimal balances, again for the purposes of satisfying all the legal requirements to maintain the legal fiction that the company is doing business in the jurisdiction. This has some tax advantages -- ALL of these actions are driven by tax concerns.

8) The evidence is at least reasonable that JDB Services is yet another arm of Lock, but I am beginning to have deep doubts that Lock has a "corporate headquarters" that is anything other than a condo in Vancouver.

[icantbelieveit]

I would like to see a reply from DanDruff in regards to the Lookup producing a city in Curacao and a country address as being Cypres.
That still seems fishy to me.

Furthermore.

JDS is Listed as an NV which in Holland means a Naamloze Venootschap. Simply said it is a company with NO named shareholders and all shares are transerable if and when a shareholder wants. This also comes with VERY limited responsibilities for the shareholders. IE they can not be held responsibble in person for debts of the NV:

Yes, Curacao is still "part" of the Netherlands and still works with all legal Dutch laws. There is however a special hiatus in that Curacao has a few own rules and laws which make it so easy for companies to get gaming licenses there.

[Steve-O]

looks like you might need to get that ESPN news soundbyte ready, might be breaking news during radio: http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ns-050913.html Larson interview from fluff G911 coming soon

[badguy23]

looks like you might need to get that ESPN news soundbyte ready, might be breaking news during radio: http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...ns-050913.html Larson interview from fluff G911 coming soon

Lol this is damage control. Look no further then to the right hand side of that article. You see a Lock Puker Banner. Lock Poker is broke and the only way they recover is if America's Card Room buy's up there debt.

[BCR]

8) The evidence is at least reasonable that JDB Services is yet another arm of Lock, but I am beginning to have deep doubts that Lock has a "corporate headquarters" that is anything other than a condo in Vancouver.

I just always assumed this I guess. Not necessarily a condo in Vancouver, but some small flat/condo somewhere. One of the less troublesome aspects of this company.

To me, when you see the number of pros, hear details of some of the deals, the exorbitant RB, and the cost of player acquisition/advertising, and just the cost of moving money in this environment it seems like this company has an unsustainable plan. They would seem to always be one minor money seizure away from being insolvent at best, and the idea of spending what they have on advertising and operations, while segregating funds, seems just impossible. It would take amazingly deep pockets, and no one with pockets that deep gets there by investing in a market like post-UIGEA/Black Friday US-facing poker. Way, way bigger rake generating player pools have been unable to fade the cost of doing business in this current environment, so why would Lock be different? This can be said for any company servicing the American market that isn't involved in sports betting also.

The bigger point to me isn't if they lost money in Cyprus banking, but if they are indeed one and the same with the processor, haven't they been blaming this problem on the processor?

I'd be shocked if they pulled out of this tailspin and most people got their money back, but even if some do, this shit can't work in the long run I don't think. We have seen these type of companies with bad customer service, too many pros, too much RB fail every time in way better times than present. And why if they are solvent they can't pay ROW players makes no sense. Even dying companies in the past could do that until the very end. If they were getting money to ROW players, their insolvency at present wouldn't be such a sure bet. Most understand getting money to Americans is problematic, but this company has 50 warning sirens going off at the same time. If they truly have the money, and are profitable, then this is the worst managed company ever from a PR standpoint, but that just seems so unlikely. Like 1% chance likely. They see it burning down, and being broke is the only explanation to not put out some of the fires. I would go so far as to say that if it wasn't broke before, and even if they were truthful, and solvent, and just horrible at PR, it's still unrecoverable at this point just from their past few weeks behavior, not to mention all their past blunders they somehow survived. Companies just don't recover from a month like they've had.

I hope I'm wrong and people get their money back, but it isn't happening.

[BeerAndPoker]

Latest article from G911 (take with a grain of salt) and their interview with Jennifer Larson:

http://gambling911.com/poker/large-n...ks-050913.html

[theoptician]

can anyone link to the PPA statement about lock what is their advice to players on the lock situation.

[Erin Micunt]

This kid is actually still actively promoting lock. Amazing

Jared Hubbard @jhubpoker

#FF @Let_it_Lock @jimerwood @MattStoutPoker @HokieGreg @bigdogpckt5s @jhub_fitness @FelipeMojave @PrimordialAA @Rizen1020 @melanieweisner
11:14 AM - 10 May 2013

[BeerAndPoker]

Jared Hubbard was with Cake Poker as a pro before Revolution when they were struggling to pay people and I believe he pitched out the same crap. Cake took forever for payouts but we heard less about it because it involved a lesser amount of people and they didn't give the run around as much like Lock has been doing.

[Steve-O]

Jared Hubbard was with Cake Poker as a pro before Revolution when they were struggling to pay people and I believe he pitched out the same crap. Cake took forever for payouts but we heard less about it because it involved a lesser amount of people and they didn't give the run around as much like Lock has been doing.

I'm pretty sure Jared Hubbard has always been with Lock. I'll go back and look at the interview I did with him.

EDIT: The interview I did with him was in early April 2012, lock moved to Cake a coupled months later, so he was a pro with Lock dating back to at least October 2011. In an interview he says he joined Lock Poker after Black Friday (http://www.pokerupdate.com/interview...red-hubbard/):

PU: How has Black Friday affected your life and “daily grind”? What sites did you play on before Black Friday, and what do you foresee in the future for online poker?

JA: Before Black Friday, I was playing on PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute Poker and Cake. When Black Friday hit, specifically, I was on Full Tilt and Absolute. At first, I wasn't really worried about getting my money back. Full Tilt was so reputable and it didn't make sense for them not to pay US players when they still had a ton of non-US players as customers.

Obviously as the saga developed, my opinion on that changed, but at the beginning I was more worried about how I would be able to continue to make a living playing poker. I considered going to Canada a few days a week, and even discussed the possibility of moving to Costa Rica or another country with my wife.

Then I went to Lock Poker on the Merge network and the traffic was surprisingly good for a US site post Black Friday. I was talking to LiarzDice on AIM and he said that he knew the owner of Lock and thought I was worthy of a pro deal. He introduced us through email and I ended up signing a contract as a Lock Elite pro.

Since signing things have been great. Lock makes sure the pros are very involved in everything, rather than just being compensated to play on the site and wear the gear. Early in October we had our first Lock retreat. Chief Executive Jennifer Larson rented out an entire castle in France and invited all of the pros, their significant others, and some of the employees who had been with the company for a while.

We enjoyed activities like archery, hot air balloon rides, horse and carriage rides, and wine tours, and there were parties every night. Everything was paid for by Lock and it was a truly amazing experience. Jennifer also said that she’s planning 2-3 Lock retreats per year. Let's just say I'm looking forward to the next one.

Overall settling in with Lock has made my post Black Friday experience a lot easier. As far as the future of online poker in the US, I think it will almost certainly be regulated but I think it may be 3-to-4 years before everything is passed and implemented.

Sure Druff's head will exploded when he reads 2-3 per year!

[BeerAndPoker]

I'm pretty sure Jared Hubbard has always been with Lock. I'll go back and look at the interview I did with him.

EDIT: The interview I did with him was in early April 2012, lock moved to Cake a coupled months later, so he was a pro with Lock dating back to at least October 2011. In an interview he says he joined Lock Poker after Black Friday (http://www.pokerupdate.com/interview...red-hubbard/):

PU: How has Black Friday affected your life and “daily grind”? What sites did you play on before Black Friday, and what do you foresee in the future for online poker?

JA: Before Black Friday, I was playing on PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute Poker and Cake. When Black Friday hit, specifically, I was on Full Tilt and Absolute. At first, I wasn't really worried about getting my money back. Full Tilt was so reputable and it didn't make sense for them not to pay US players when they still had a ton of non-US players as customers.

Obviously as the saga developed, my opinion on that changed, but at the beginning I was more worried about how I would be able to continue to make a living playing poker. I considered going to Canada a few days a week, and even discussed the possibility of moving to Costa Rica or another country with my wife.

Then I went to Lock Poker on the Merge network and the traffic was surprisingly good for a US site post Black Friday. I was talking to LiarzDice on AIM and he said that he knew the owner of Lock and thought I was worthy of a pro deal. He introduced us through email and I ended up signing a contract as a Lock Elite pro.

Since signing things have been great. Lock makes sure the pros are very involved in everything, rather than just being compensated to play on the site and wear the gear. Early in October we had our first Lock retreat. Chief Executive Jennifer Larson rented out an entire castle in France and invited all of the pros, their significant others, and some of the employees who had been with the company for a while.

We enjoyed activities like archery, hot air balloon rides, horse and carriage rides, and wine tours, and there were parties every night. Everything was paid for by Lock and it was a truly amazing experience. Jennifer also said that she’s planning 2-3 Lock retreats per year. Let's just say I'm looking forward to the next one.

Overall settling in with Lock has made my post Black Friday experience a lot easier. As far as the future of online poker in the US, I think it will almost certainly be regulated but I think it may be 3-to-4 years before everything is passed and implemented.

Sure Druff's head will exploded when he reads 2-3 per year!

He might not of been a so called pro on Cake but he had a special rakeback deal with them and was promoting them hard back in 2008 giving them tons of feedback to improve their sngs.

Here is one blog post of his back from then that I found:

http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/84368.html

Their are several he keeps plugging Cake so perhaps he wasn't a pro but had special rakeback deal which probably included affiliate money for anyone who signed up under him.

[Steve-O]

I'm pretty sure Jared Hubbard has always been with Lock. I'll go back and look at the interview I did with him.

EDIT: The interview I did with him was in early April 2012, lock moved to Cake a coupled months later, so he was a pro with Lock dating back to at least October 2011. In an interview he says he joined Lock Poker after Black Friday (http://www.pokerupdate.com/interview...red-hubbard/):



Sure Druff's head will exploded when he reads 2-3 per year!

He might not of been a so called pro on Cake but he had a special rakeback deal with them and was promoting them hard back in 2008 giving them tons of feedback to improve their sngs.

Here is one blog post of his back from then that I found:

http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/84368.html

Their are several he keeps plugging Cake so perhaps he wasn't a pro but had special rakeback deal which probably included affiliate money for anyone who signed up under him.

He was one of the most heavily raked players in poker for a while, so I'm sure he had affiliate deals, I don't think he was with Cake in any official capacity though and he joined lock soon after Black Friday, which I believe was before Cake's cashout issues really hit, but I can't be sure of that

[BeerAndPoker]

He might not of been a so called pro on Cake but he had a special rakeback deal with them and was promoting them hard back in 2008 giving them tons of feedback to improve their sngs.

Here is one blog post of his back from then that I found:

http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/84368.html

Their are several he keeps plugging Cake so perhaps he wasn't a pro but had special rakeback deal which probably included affiliate money for anyone who signed up under him.

He was one of the most heavily raked players in poker for a while, so I'm sure he had affiliate deals, I don't think he was with Cake in any official capacity though and he joined lock soon after Black Friday, which I believe was before Cake's cashout issues really hit, but I can't be sure of that

Yeah, well regardless the part that upsets the poker community is someone who still promotes Lock right now during this time. People have some trust in Pros whether it's because they respect their game or whatever it might be that anyone who comes to the site now during this crisis because of a Lock Pro who go them on board then it's considered shady among the poker community.

I've read some bigger Skrill cashouts have been received today so that is a start but Lock has a LONG way to go.

[nunbeater]

He was one of the most heavily raked players in poker for a while, so I'm sure he had affiliate deals, I don't think he was with Cake in any official capacity though and he joined lock soon after Black Friday, which I believe was before Cake's cashout issues really hit, but I can't be sure of that

Yeah, well regardless the part that upsets the poker community is someone who still promotes Lock right now during this time. People have some trust in Pros whether it's because they respect their game or whatever it might be that anyone who comes to the site now during this crisis because of a Lock Pro who go them on board then it's considered shady among the poker community.

I've read some bigger Skrill cashouts have been received today so that is a start but Lock has a LONG way to go.

My problem with Lock finally sending out some money via Skrill is that it feels like the dead cat bounce. They pay a bit to try to trick players into thinking that they are solvent and eventually it still comes crashing down. Normally I wouldn't put a poker site on even pulling that kind of stunt but with all of the lies and bullshit that have come from Lock they are capable of doing anything.