THE CMONEY I WILL STAKE YOU POSSIBLY IN WSOP THIS YEAR THREAD

[blake]

the whole thing is kinda lol but cmoney consoling betcheckbet on cmoney's own death (for hours) is somewhat sociopathic

[sonatine]

the whole thing is kinda lol but cmoney consoling betcheckbet on cmoney's own death (for hours) is somewhat sociopathic

i feel like that was one of those 'in for a penny' moments.

[Dan Druff]

Betcheckbet, if you fully forgive him now, why are you leaving the forum for good?

I hope you understand that I wasn't even reading my PMs at the time, due to what I was going through.

I'm sorry that you had to deal with all of this. Clearly you didn't deserve this. Honestly, this entire mess only had one real victim, and it was you. Everyone else can, at worst, claim to have been annoyed and their emotions manipulated, but that type of shit is par for the course in a place like this.

You were the one person who really was screwed over, and I really feel bad that you had to deal with this.

Regarding the $200k (this is the first I've heard about this), it actually is possible he was going to give $200k, or at least a decent portion of it. He wasn't thinking straight at the time, and it might have been worth $200k to him to give these fake inheritances in order to make his death look more real. I never heard anything about it, so I don't know.

FYI I would not have lied about receiving any money from him which I actually didn't.

[sonatine]

When I left the forum 6 months ago I was still pretty bitter over the whole Cmoney thing. My gf who knows next to nothing about this forum and even she felt bad when I told her I was done here as she knows it was a big part of me. I've been a part (albeit extremely small) of NWP since 2006. I was always someone who stayed in the background, mainly because I felt most of you were psychopaths, Cmoney included. The only person I ever spoke to for real on here was admantium. Who very likely is a psychopath but nevertheless I consider him a good man with a hot wife. So ya I guess my intuition to stay out of real life drama was correct.

When I came to the forums today, mainly looking for a link to the Virginia shootings video, I realized that I really don't have any bitterness left. I wish Cmoney the best and don't have anything against him at this point. What he did was fucked up but we've all been through worse. I want to be clear that I don't want anyone to go after him in real life. I've always believed we shouldn't cross over. The exception being Jewdonk because his real life is fucking amazing and it would be a travesty if that fact was forgotten.

But before I leave for good I have a story to tell... Forgive me for being all over the place but I'm writing without much planning nor editing.

I learned of Cmoney back in the NWP days. Running his MMOs scams, posting fake bank account screenshots, and touting the benefits of the "4 hour work week". Back then I saw him as a scammer. Pretty much the same as the dozen of trolls who try to brag about having a five figure role. I didn't like the guy for what he did to Heeb but I very much remember the fake Western Union the impersonation over the phone and being amazed at just how much thought was put into it. Little would I know that 10 years later I would get to experience it myself first hand (and yes Cmoney is a modern day Frank Abagnale).

All that said probably about 5 years ago my opinion on Cmoney changed. From all I could see the guy genuinely seemed to have turned his life around. He was a real baller, stopped bragging about his money, seemed to love his dog, and was very generous to numerous members on the forum while seemingly asking nothing in return. I came to admire him not for who he was now but where he came from. In my eyes he had gone from a scam artist to a genuine successful business man with class. So three years ago when Cmoney made a post about a nerdy video game called Hearthstone (a game I loved so much I paid 1500$ for myself and gf to meet Ben Brode) I was more than happy to add him to my friends list. I destroyed him (he was using a shitty nearly all legendary priest deck) and clearly he was not nearly as nerdy as I.

And really that was it...For three years I barely spoke to the guy. I read about his cancer diagnosis and felt bad like many of you. But really didin't give it much thought. Until last fall when I saw Cmoney logged into Hearthstone. I hadn't seen him on the forums and asked him how he was doing.... what I got I was completely unprepared for... Most of you know the story but not all of it.

There's a good chance Cmoney had no idea who I was when I messaged. We had only spoken a few times and not for over a year. It's possible he didn't even know I was NWP. Why he chose to respond to me then I'll never really understand. But I do have a theory I'll get to later... anyways the response I got was that Cmoney had passed away and I was speaking with his sister. I didn't really know what to say. I did my best to try and comfort her and let her know how great Cmoney was. I also in a panic started messaging Druff. I barely knew Cmoney and it wasn't right for me to be the bearer of this news to the forum. Unfortunately Druff didn't respond. Most likely cause he was in quite the fucking pickle and was going to look bad either way. Admit he knew Cmoney was faking or out Cmoney a good friend and backer of his.

While I was trying to comfort his "sister" she let out the bombshell. Cmoney had left quite the will. Apparently he planned to give the forum 200k$. She even mentioned a few members who would be getting large chunks of this. At this point I tried to redirect her to druff. she asked my login name and I explained I barely knew Cmoney. When she told me he left me 1500$ I was floored. Not at the money but the fact that someone I barely knew would think to even leave me anything. I was confused and upset. I felt like at the very least I owed it to Cmoney to try and help his family find out what was going on. His sister also mentioned that Cmoney had problems with members of the forum in real life and there were instructions for how it was to be handled. She then told me she had to go as she was confused with messaging on the Hearthstone app but I could call her on Cmoneys phone (and yes it was actually his phone).

I called and was a little taken aback when a male voice answered. He explained he was Cmoneys older brother and that his sister was handling online accounts. He explained Cmoney's passing and how the family was extremely confused about his online life. I felt really bad as not only were they grieving but apparently they were scared that the real life stalkers could harm the family. I urged him to reach out to Druff and that Druff likely had the stalkers true info. I also took time to explain how Cmoney was viewed as a hero on the forum. Cmoney's brother basically described him as a fuck up who finally turned his life around somehow as the black sheep of the family. The conversation lasted a little over 30 mins. Brother said he was never close to Cmoney but other family members like his mother were hurting (along with wife and child). It was an Oscar performance. The one exception being when I mentioned Cmoneys real name I think he was a little taken aback that I knew this information. His brother had tons of questions about the forum and I did my best to help answer but in the end emphasized Druff needed to be contacted. He once again mentioned that there was money left in my name (to be honest I assumed there was small chance I would ever collect it given the legalities involved of awarding money to a online handle not even int he USA). Interestingly enough the brother was very adamant I not disclose Cmoney;s death as the family was very scared his stalkers could target the family if they knew Cmoney had died. I immediately reached out to Druff and asked him to contact Cmoney's family as they seemed worried about their safety. Never heard back from Druff until several days later once the cat was out of the bag.

China made his post. And I played my role as the patsy, someone not close to Cmoney who could verify his death. Shortly after Cmoney and company must have realize what a cluster fuck this was and came clean. I was furious and wanted blood. The thought of them laughing about the whole thing made me want to get serious revenge (in retrospect it was funny as fuck). Cmoney texted my phone with a brief "I'm sorry, what is your paypal I'll send you 1500$" I responded on the forums saying I didn't want his fucking money and he could fly out here and apologize to me face to face. Two days later he called and spoke to me for 45 mins. I never got a full understanding but he seemed genuine. Then again so did his brother and sister... He again offered to pay me 1500$ and i told him I'd think about it. We never spoke again. But I'm glad I never took the money because then I'd be no better than all the sycophants on here trying to get a buck. I can leave the forum honestly stating I never asked for a single stake or dollar here. But I did appreciate the apology and honestly felt really sorry for him. That apology meant a lot to me and he sounded like a good guy. I didn't forgive him fully at the time but it went a long way. Today I can say I forgive him fully. Consoling his family was fucked but it might as well have been me than a random poster. Unfortunately my job leads me to have to speak to family's who;s child has died a couple times each year s it wasn't exactly foreign for me.

And so Druff locked the thread and Cmoney along with his crew disappeared. But we never got the real story... And the 200k, wtf was up with that? Did he seriously plan to give out 200k to the forum? Was it all part of a sick joke? Well I have a theory on that.

I believe cmoney did plan to give out money through an inheritance to members on the forum. Most likely those who helped perpetuate his story. I doubt it was have been the full 200k. Give someone 1k and they can easily claim they were given 20k. You could probably dole out 20k and have people claiming you were given ten times that. Add a few patsies like me in who really got the full 1.5k and it looks legit. Cmoney is generous and I feel its unlikely he would have friends lie for him and not reward them in some way. I could be totally off here but its my best guess. It's a shame the will never became public because it would have been one hell of a show on the forums. Without a doubt biggest event ever at NWP, forget the toe sucking, Fminc, Justin Williams, or numerous Marty exploits. Guy is a legend whether he ever posts here again... GL Cmoney whether it be scamming or legit business ventures...

ok this is breathtaking.

[Sanlmar]

(and yes Cmoney is a modern day Frank Abagnale).

In this context I couldn’t help but think of this Netflix series. Lol, the title. I have only seen the first episode but the final scene just blew my hair back.

I just had a similar moment after BCB’s post.

cmoney’s arc is so layered and textured. Good guy? Villain? Scammer? Philanthropist? Victim and perp.

Brilliant. A more exaggerated version of every single one of us.



Except lol wow.

[sah_24]

(and yes Cmoney is a modern day Frank Abagnale).

In this context I couldn’t help but think of this Netflix series. Lol, the title. I have only seen the first episode but the final scene just blew my hair back.

I just had a similar moment after BCB’s post.

cmoney’s arc is so layered and textured. Good guy? Villain? Scammer? Philanthropist? Victim and perp.

Brilliant. A more exaggerated version of every single one of us.



Except lol wow.

After the death hoax and looking into his business ventures the answer is pretty clear ... he was and is a scammer

[Crowe Diddly]

He wasn't thinking straight at the time, and it might have been worth $200k to him to give these fake inheritances in order to make his death look more real.

Imagine typing this sentence and actually believing it.

[DonaldTrumpsHairPiece]

@CheckBetCheck, I recall how upset you were with C$ at the time and now that you're back Ill be honest, I forgot you left and I feel horrible about that, welcome back.... you

[adamantium]

When I left the forum 6 months ago I was still pretty bitter over the whole Cmoney thing. My gf who knows next to nothing about this forum and even she felt bad when I told her I was done here as she knows it was a big part of me. I've been a part (albeit extremely small) of NWP since 2006. I was always someone who stayed in the background, mainly because I felt most of you were psychopaths, Cmoney included. The only person I ever spoke to for real on here was admantium. Who very likely is a psychopath but nevertheless I consider him a good man with a hot wife. So ya I guess my intuition to stay out of real life drama was correct.

When I came to the forums today, mainly looking for a link to the Virginia shootings video, I realized that I really don't have any bitterness left. I wish Cmoney the best and don't have anything against him at this point. What he did was fucked up but we've all been through worse. I want to be clear that I don't want anyone to go after him in real life. I've always believed we shouldn't cross over. The exception being Jewdonk because his real life is fucking amazing and it would be a travesty if that fact was forgotten.

But before I leave for good I have a story to tell... Forgive me for being all over the place but I'm writing without much planning nor editing.

I learned of Cmoney back in the NWP days. Running his MMOs scams, posting fake bank account screenshots, and touting the benefits of the "4 hour work week". Back then I saw him as a scammer. Pretty much the same as the dozen of trolls who try to brag about having a five figure role. I didn't like the guy for what he did to Heeb but I very much remember the fake Western Union the impersonation over the phone and being amazed at just how much thought was put into it. Little would I know that 10 years later I would get to experience it myself first hand (and yes Cmoney is a modern day Frank Abagnale).

All that said probably about 5 years ago my opinion on Cmoney changed. From all I could see the guy genuinely seemed to have turned his life around. He was a real baller, stopped bragging about his money, seemed to love his dog, and was very generous to numerous members on the forum while seemingly asking nothing in return. I came to admire him not for who he was now but where he came from. In my eyes he had gone from a scam artist to a genuine successful business man with class. So three years ago when Cmoney made a post about a nerdy video game called Hearthstone (a game I loved so much I paid 1500$ for myself and gf to meet Ben Brode) I was more than happy to add him to my friends list. I destroyed him (he was using a shitty nearly all legendary priest deck) and clearly he was not nearly as nerdy as I.

And really that was it...For three years I barely spoke to the guy. I read about his cancer diagnosis and felt bad like many of you. But really didin't give it much thought. Until last fall when I saw Cmoney logged into Hearthstone. I hadn't seen him on the forums and asked him how he was doing.... what I got I was completely unprepared for... Most of you know the story but not all of it.

There's a good chance Cmoney had no idea who I was when I messaged. We had only spoken a few times and not for over a year. It's possible he didn't even know I was NWP. Why he chose to respond to me then I'll never really understand. But I do have a theory I'll get to later... anyways the response I got was that Cmoney had passed away and I was speaking with his sister. I didn't really know what to say. I did my best to try and comfort her and let her know how great Cmoney was. I also in a panic started messaging Druff. I barely knew Cmoney and it wasn't right for me to be the bearer of this news to the forum. Unfortunately Druff didn't respond. Most likely cause he was in quite the fucking pickle and was going to look bad either way. Admit he knew Cmoney was faking or out Cmoney a good friend and backer of his.

While I was trying to comfort his "sister" she let out the bombshell. Cmoney had left quite the will. Apparently he planned to give the forum 200k$. She even mentioned a few members who would be getting large chunks of this. At this point I tried to redirect her to druff. she asked my login name and I explained I barely knew Cmoney. When she told me he left me 1500$ I was floored. Not at the money but the fact that someone I barely knew would think to even leave me anything. I was confused and upset. I felt like at the very least I owed it to Cmoney to try and help his family find out what was going on. His sister also mentioned that Cmoney had problems with members of the forum in real life and there were instructions for how it was to be handled. She then told me she had to go as she was confused with messaging on the Hearthstone app but I could call her on Cmoneys phone (and yes it was actually his phone).

I called and was a little taken aback when a male voice answered. He explained he was Cmoneys older brother and that his sister was handling online accounts. He explained Cmoney's passing and how the family was extremely confused about his online life. I felt really bad as not only were they grieving but apparently they were scared that the real life stalkers could harm the family. I urged him to reach out to Druff and that Druff likely had the stalkers true info. I also took time to explain how Cmoney was viewed as a hero on the forum. Cmoney's brother basically described him as a fuck up who finally turned his life around somehow as the black sheep of the family. The conversation lasted a little over 30 mins. Brother said he was never close to Cmoney but other family members like his mother were hurting (along with wife and child). It was an Oscar performance. The one exception being when I mentioned Cmoneys real name I think he was a little taken aback that I knew this information. His brother had tons of questions about the forum and I did my best to help answer but in the end emphasized Druff needed to be contacted. He once again mentioned that there was money left in my name (to be honest I assumed there was small chance I would ever collect it given the legalities involved of awarding money to a online handle not even int he USA). Interestingly enough the brother was very adamant I not disclose Cmoney;s death as the family was very scared his stalkers could target the family if they knew Cmoney had died. I immediately reached out to Druff and asked him to contact Cmoney's family as they seemed worried about their safety. Never heard back from Druff until several days later once the cat was out of the bag.

China made his post. And I played my role as the patsy, someone not close to Cmoney who could verify his death. Shortly after Cmoney and company must have realize what a cluster fuck this was and came clean. I was furious and wanted blood. The thought of them laughing about the whole thing made me want to get serious revenge (in retrospect it was funny as fuck). Cmoney texted my phone with a brief "I'm sorry, what is your paypal I'll send you 1500$" I responded on the forums saying I didn't want his fucking money and he could fly out here and apologize to me face to face. Two days later he called and spoke to me for 45 mins. I never got a full understanding but he seemed genuine. Then again so did his brother and sister... He again offered to pay me 1500$ and i told him I'd think about it. We never spoke again. But I'm glad I never took the money because then I'd be no better than all the sycophants on here trying to get a buck. I can leave the forum honestly stating I never asked for a single stake or dollar here. But I did appreciate the apology and honestly felt really sorry for him. That apology meant a lot to me and he sounded like a good guy. I didn't forgive him fully at the time but it went a long way. Today I can say I forgive him fully. Consoling his family was fucked but it might as well have been me than a random poster. Unfortunately my job leads me to have to speak to family's who;s child has died a couple times each year s it wasn't exactly foreign for me.

And so Druff locked the thread and Cmoney along with his crew disappeared. But we never got the real story... And the 200k, wtf was up with that? Did he seriously plan to give out 200k to the forum? Was it all part of a sick joke? Well I have a theory on that.

I believe cmoney did plan to give out money through an inheritance to members on the forum. Most likely those who helped perpetuate his story. I doubt it was have been the full 200k. Give someone 1k and they can easily claim they were given 20k. You could probably dole out 20k and have people claiming you were given ten times that. Add a few patsies like me in who really got the full 1.5k and it looks legit. Cmoney is generous and I feel its unlikely he would have friends lie for him and not reward them in some way. I could be totally off here but its my best guess. It's a shame the will never became public because it would have been one hell of a show on the forums. Without a doubt biggest event ever at NWP, forget the toe sucking, Fminc, Justin Williams, or numerous Marty exploits. Guy is a legend whether he ever posts here again... GL Cmoney whether it be scamming or legit business ventures...

For the record Im pretty fucking normal, I run SMB IT, have two kids and a wife, Im turning 44 tomorrow and this place give me little to no joy anymore

[Daly]

Anyone who thinks that what cmoney did (away from that one dude he talked on the phone for hrs pretending to be his bro... lol) is a fucking pussy and needs to get over it. I've stayed away from the conversation because while I knew some info I wasn't in the "know"... what I do know is that his life/family was threatened over "LOL INTERNETS" and it wasn't fair for him. Yes, what he did was stupid and I stayed silent when I found out... also was a bit ticked off when he used the type of cancer he did (my mom has it and it's legit a death sentence, hence why he used it). I don't share this info with anyone in my life away from my fiancee and my bosses boss and honestly.... I'm not mad at him for doing it either, given the circumstances.

Get over it and give him + the people who took part of it a pass... if your fam/life was being threatened by some crazy dude(s) you're saying you wouldn't try anything? Fuck you.

He's not perfect by any metric (neither am I or you) and his thing hit really close to home but guess what... I'm still cool with everyone involved and I get it. Move on and stop being a bitch for the drama.

I’m in agreement with most of this. I’d probably dial back the part about being a fucking pussy a bit. People have a right to be upset but it definitely went too far.

Guy was real life threatened. Guy took drastic actions to try and stop the threat. The way it went down wasn’t a good look, but we all do dumb things when threatened.

Some folks knew up front. Close friends. I know a few of them said it was a bad idea but the plan was hatched and he couldn’t put the genie back in the bottle.

Some folks found out after. I was one of them. Thought it was a bad idea but when told about the “real life” implications of it I viewed it as the lesser of two evils.

Again people have a right to be upset and there should be a level of understanding here - but people are under no obligation to give it.

[OSA]

Cmoney helped me play in the WSOP and indirectly help me win the Omaha 8 or better tournament @ The Orleans. I beat like 100 or so old fucks in a game I was googling at the table. Besides selling water/getting head backstage in my van @ EDC in LV, this is my 2nd best story I can recount from my 10 or so trips to Vegas.


I had mailed 2 packages of edibles to Cmoney to help him deal with the pain that he might have been dealing with his treatment. I remember where I was when I mailed it and the days after thinking about if they worked for him.


I think what most people are feeling is the sense of not being whole. No amount of money can "correct" this, and that's why this cuts so deep.


As you people can see by my high quality and premium content over the years that I have posted, I am not "most people" and I would like to reserve judgement until I find out if I was included in the will.

[TheXFactor]

How much money would it take for Druff and/or Drexel to fake their deaths?

[MumblesBadly]

For the record Im pretty fucking normal, I run SMB IT, have two kids and a wife, Im turning 44 tomorrow and this place give me little to no joy anymore

I, for one, miss that you don’t post vids of you tooling around on your motorcycle. I have to make do with motovloggers posting terrific crash vids on YouTube.

[gauchojake]

Every time I look at a mole, I think of cmoney. RIP