Are college degrees overrated?

[The_PHA]

Watching Fox News right now. Apparently, 48% of the jobs college degreed people have do not require a college degree.

Steve Forbes made a brilliant quote in that college degreed people leave school with a worthless degree and are basically indentured servants to their college loans for 20+ years.

I am starting to wonder if college is an outright scam for the elitist professors who ride the fucking dole. Outside of the medical or scientific community, why the fuck is college even relevant? Marketing degree? LOL.

I took US History as a credit, and I cannot remember one fucking thing about the course. However, 5 years ago I took a tour of Gettysburg and know more about the Civil War than probably 99% of any college history degreed shitbag.

[SrslySirius]

I don't have an informed opinion on this, but my guess would be that more people are under pressure to go to college and are getting worthless degrees in things like the arts. I very much doubt that people with engineering degrees have it this bad.

Obviously the economy is a factor as well.

[offthetop]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

[4Dragons]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

Yay, caste system in effect.

[offthetop]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

Yay, caste system in effect.

My degree has nothing to do with what I'm doing in my company. I started at the bottom, some manager liked my shit, and because of my degree I have been able to be promoted. Whereas I have a colleague I started with who is just as good as me but he didn't graduate so has basically reached the ceiling in terms of job level and pay. But as someone else said earlier in the thread, a college degree is about proving time management, responsibility etc. Other stuff can be learned on the job (except of course technical jobs).

[donkdowndonedied]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

Yay, caste system in effect.

A caste system is something you are born into. You choose whether to go to school or are too dumb. Most places assume the latter in lack of other evidence. Thats life.



I agree with The_PHA. He is stating his opinion in a trolling manner, but the fact is people who are looking to get back out what they put into a degree financially, a lot are going to not be happy.

[4Dragons]

Yay, caste system in effect.

A caste system is something you are born into. You choose whether to go to school or are too dumb. Most places assume the latter in lack of other evidence. Thats life.



I agree with The_PHA. He is stating his opinion in a trolling manner, but the fact is people who are looking to get back out what they put into a degree financially, a lot are going to not be happy.

The American version would be that if you don't have a degree, you are excluded from certain opportunities that really have no bearing on your actual ability or life experience. Again, not talking about people with letters after their names, but giving the keys to the corvette to a 22 yr old with a liberal arts degree and no life experience is beyond asinine.

[SrslySirius]

Also, Fox News is notorious for fudging statistics. I would double check that figure. Did they cite a source?

[Steve-O]

Like everything in life, it depends. It depends what field you are going into. If you are going to apply at some fortune 500 company a college degree is a must, but if you plan on opening a pizza parlor then you're probably better off working at some succesful pizza shop for 2 years and learning on the job than getting a degree in business and $50k-$100k in debt.

Srsly is right, some degrees are simply worthless (my wife has a theater arts degree and was competing for jobs with people who were directors in local PAC plays) but some are required. If you're going to go to college make sure it's something that you NEED to go to college for.

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

Highschool is a way to meet people, and try to get a general idea of what your interests are.

College is helpful in many ways. The main way is that it teaches you to be an adult with your time management. Your mom and dad aren't there to wake you up and send you on a school bus. It's not always about the degree. Although some degrees are essential for certain jobs.

But the main reason for going to college is about becoming an adult, and teaching yourself how to use efficient time management. Plain and simple.

[Vwls]

I work in education and I can attest to the fact that 1) a basic degree is needed even for peon jobs, and 2) the universities are churning out millions of useless degrees - it's a business and the bottom line is profit, not making the world a smarter place.

[The_PHA]

Also, Fox News is notorious for fudging statistics. I would double check that figure. Did they cite a source?

There is no incentive for Fox to fudge a stat like that.

A good friend of mine graduated from law school and owns a restaurant with his dad. Go figure.

[SrslySirius]

Also, Fox News is notorious for fudging statistics. I would double check that figure. Did they cite a source?

There is no incentive for Fox to fudge a stat like that.

A good friend of mine graduated from law school and owns a restaurant with his dad. Go figure.

Their fuckups aren't always intentional. Sometimes they're just incompetent. Like when their polls add up to 120%.

[The_PHA]

There is no incentive for Fox to fudge a stat like that.

A good friend of mine graduated from law school and owns a restaurant with his dad. Go figure.

Their fuckups aren't always intentional. Sometimes they're just incompetent. Like when their polls add up to 120%.

Yeah, whatever. Their ratings crush CNN, MSNBC and CNBC combined. You can add up that math if you want.

Just because someone posted a screen shot of 1 out 10,000,000 screen shots that was wrong does not mean the other 9,999,999 were wrong. It just means some obsessed faggot popped a boner when FOX made a mistake and posted it on youtube.

Nobody obsesses about CNN because nobody watches it. People obsess about Fox News because a lot of people watch it.

Back on track.

[Bootsy Collins]

I earned a pretty substantial scholarship and was lucky enough to not to need student loans. I graduated with 2k in debt which I paid off that year. In my profession I constantly need to learn new stuff and be up to date. Learning never stops.

[The_PHA]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

This just tilts me. Most of these big US companies were built with guys without college degrees.

We can start with Bill Gates. I went to KFC last night for take out and I doubt the Colonel had a degree either. I was in Florida last year and every fucking street seemed to have a Publix. I doubt that dude had a degree either and if he did it contributed nothing to his company.

I have a cousin who is waiting tables 3 years after getting a degree and is swimming in debt. Graduated with a Marketing degree and it swimming in debt with college loans. Funny, you can default on a house loan, but you default on a college loan you can end up in jail.

[PLOL]

Let's hope so.

I was in Florida last year and every fucking street seemed to have a Publix.

Publix is God here

[4Dragons]

I work for a big US company and you need a college degree to apply for jobs above the admin level, so in that regard, for sure they are relevant

This just tilts me. Most of these big US companies were built with guys without college degrees.

We can start with Bill Gates. I went to KFC last night for take out and I doubt the Colonel had a degree either. I was in Florida last year and every fucking street seemed to have a Publix. I doubt that dude had a degree either and if he did it contributed nothing to his company.

I have a cousin who is waiting tables 3 years after getting a degree and is swimming in debt. Graduated with a Marketing degree and it swimming in debt with college loans. Funny, you can default on a house loan, but you default on a college loan you can end up in jail.

Funny story my grandfather told me years ago. He went into a shop where he went to often and met the owner one day. He asked this successful man where he went to college? He laughed and replied by pointing to people in his shop 'You see him, he went to college. That one over there went to Harvard. All these people around me went to college, so why do i need college?'

[The_PHA]

Also, I am not ridiculing a college education. For things like sciences, engineering, etc... it makes sense.

But a majority of degrees such as English, History, Marketing, etc....they are fucking total bullshit. I get the fact there are stories where one person had a degree and was therefore promoted over some guy who was more qualified that just had a HS diploma.

But there are literally hundreds of thousands of students that will graduate college this year with a generic degree with $100,000 in loan debt with no job. And in a couple years they will basically be emotionally devastated by the crushing debt that the degree was supposed to be helping them.

[DannyDeadWood]

Also, I am not ridiculing a college education. For things like sciences, engineering, etc... it makes sense.

But a majority of degrees such as English, History, Marketing, etc....they are fucking total bullshit. I get the fact there are stories where one person had a degree and was therefore promoted over some guy who was more qualified that just had a HS diploma.

But there are literally hundreds of thousands of students that will graduate college this year with a generic degree with $100,000 in loan debt with no job. And in a couple years they will basically be emotionally devastated by the crushing debt that the degree was supposed to be helping them.

Here inlies the problem, Degrees with no value. Why in the world would anyone go to a top 100 college spend 100K+ for a degree with no practical real world application? It has turned into a joke,