Fixed my post! Oh man, that's the good stuff! Classic Pete!
Fixed my post! Oh man, that's the good stuff! Classic Pete!
Originally Posted by SrslySirius
I'm sorry but regardless of how "easy" it was to make the mistake of sending the funds to the wrong person, this guy is clearly a moron. It's one thing if he is a major baller like c-money who really doesn't give a shit about a low 5 figure sum and was careless while shipping the funds, but that's not the case here. This guy clearly cared about this money and made a really stupid mistake that ended up costing him a lot of time and money. Kind of deserving if you ask me.
Also, I'm not condoning this Chris guy holding onto the money. It was obviously a scumbag move and he should have insta-shipped back, but going to his parents house and agreeing to cooperate in exposing his poker habits to get the money back was an extremely faggot thing to do.
IMO all parties involved here are unethical jerkoffs.
I guess that is just the way things are done in the poker world. Even after he was gonna get his money back, he rats the guy out for playing poker to the guys mom? I just can't understand a grown man doing that. But I seem to be in the vast minority here, so I'm just gonna chalk it up to that being the way poker players handle things like this. Micon did the same thing in calling Justin Smiths mom. People are owed 5, 6, sometimes 7 figures and they just simply bend over and take it. I guess if you are gonna be a thief, the poker world is the place to do it. Worse case scenario is some nerd shows up to tattle to your mom. People make it seem like I'm trying to be a badass. What is badass about collecting money someone owes you by means other than showing up at the guys moms house? Must be a poker player thing.
Yeah man, that was the move a person with literally no back bone. At that point he had proven his case and was obv going to get the money back. They (the mom and lawyer) were in no position to demand he go over the poker shit with them, it was obvious the money was his and he had the upper hand at that point. It's bad enough he had put himself in this position, but to rat this guy out to his mom is very weak. He agreed to out this guy to his fucking mom out of spite, which to me is inexcusable. The funniest thing to me about it is that he is proud of doing it.I guess that is just the way things are done in the poker world. Even after he was gonna get his money back, he rats the guy out for playing poker to the guys mom? I just can't understand a grown man doing that. But I seem to be in the vast minority here, so I'm just gonna chalk it up to that being the way poker players handle things like this. Micon did the same thing in calling Justin Smiths mom. People are owed 5, 6, sometimes 7 figures and they just simply bend over and take it. I guess if you are gonna be a thief, the poker world is the place to do it. Worse case scenario is some nerd shows up to tattle to your mom.
Pussy move.
I'm also not buying that he showed up at that house with the intent to confront "Chris", only to find his mom answer. As soon as he knew the mom was a joint account holder, she was his new target. He went there with every intention of confronting the mom. But that doesn't sound as nice as "she happened to answer the door." I just can't imagine running and telling some guys mom that he owes me money, unless I'm 10. Then to go beyond that and tell her other things completely unrelated to the matter, I just don't get it. But most people here disagree with me, and that's fine. That's how things are done in their world.Yeah man, that was the move a person with literally no back bone. At that point he had proven his case and was obv going to get the money back. They (the mom and lawyer) were in no position to demand he go over the poker shit with them, it was obvious the money was his and he had the upper hand at that point. It's bad enough he had put himself in this position, but to rat this guy out to his mom is very weak. He agreed to out this guy to his fucking mom out of spite, which to me is inexcusable. The funniest thing to me about it is that he is proud of doing it.
Pussy move.
Am I reading this correctly? The guy steals your money regardless of you sending it to him on accident. He disappears with your money , and your wrong for telling his family his poker names and how to track him? You guys are insane for acting like hes in the wrong. I'd do everything in my power to fuck this guys life up in any way possible.Yeah man, that was the move a person with literally no back bone. At that point he had proven his case and was obv going to get the money back. They (the mom and lawyer) were in no position to demand he go over the poker shit with them, it was obvious the money was his and he had the upper hand at that point. It's bad enough he had put himself in this position, but to rat this guy out to his mom is very weak. He agreed to out this guy to his fucking mom out of spite, which to me is inexcusable. The funniest thing to me about it is that he is proud of doing it.
Pussy move.
I agree hes a dumbass for sending it to him in the first place, and offering a $100 for his time is a joke. I mean at least throw the guy $500 to get a large sum back.
Nobody disagrees about the guy spilling everything about his poker habits. Obviously that was unnecessary and spiteful.
EDIT: I guess ShadyJ disagrees.
Edit for some reason I thought I saw 6 figures for low 5 figures its not as big of deal as I thought.Am I reading this correctly? The guy steals your money regardless of you sending it to him on accident. He disappears with your money, and your wrong for telling his family his poker names and how to track him? You guys are insane for acting like hes in the wrong. I'd do everything in my power to fuck this guys life up in any way possible.
I agree hes a dumbass for sending it to him in the first place, and offering a $100 for his time is a joke. I mean at least throw the guy $500 to get a large sum back.
I definitely disagree. Its funny Anal is implying he should hurt the guy, but man tell his parents his screen name is just below the belt....lol
I am not condoning the actions of this asshole Chris, but if you think running to his mommy and ratting him out about his poker habits when you are clearly going to get your money back is ethical behavior then there is a big difference between the way you and I think in problem solving situations. Honestly if I were this guy I would have realized it was MY ACTIONS to begin with that put me in this spot, and the last thing I would ever consider doing is RATTING this guy out to his mother when I have already accomplished what I set out to do.Am I reading this correctly? The guy steals your money regardless of you sending it to him on accident. He disappears with your money 6 figures, and your wrong for telling his family his poker names and how to track him? You guys are insane for acting like hes in the wrong. I'd do everything in my power to fuck this guys life up in any way possible.
I agree hes a dumbass for sending it to him in the first place, and offering a $100 for his time is a joke. I mean at least throw the guy $500 to get a large sum back.
You want to fuck with this guy I'm all for it, but running to his parents and ratting him out like a faggot would not be on my list of acceptable means of fucking with him.
But hey, that's just me.
Not to mention the parents probably told him were going to pay you your money back will you help us by showing us how to see what our kid is doing. Like he would say no I dont want my money back that bad.
I guess unless youve been scammed in some way you dont realize how it feels and how bad you wanna fuck that person up. I wanted to hunt a guy down or $450. Its not even the money as much as it is the principle. Not that this guy set out to scam anyone he just was a piece of shit.
This was all done at the same time. Its not like he got the money back then looked up his parents to tell on him. theres no way you can honestly say you wouldnt have given the parents any info they wanted about the guy who stole your money to get your money back.I am not condoning the actions of this asshole Chris, but if you think running to his mommy and ratting him out about his poker habits when you are clearly going to get your money back is ethical behavior then there is a big difference between the way you and I think in problem solving situations. Honestly if I were this guy I would have realized it was MY ACTIONS to begin with that put me in this spot, and the last thing I would ever consider doing is RATTING this guy out to his mother when I have already accomplished what I set out to do.
You want to fuck with this guy I'm all for it, but running to his parents and ratting him out like a faggot would not be on my list of acceptable means of fucking with him.
But hey, that's just me.
Why are you implying I am saying hurt the guy? This whole thing started when Srsly said that his only two option were to tell the guys mom or get rolled. All I said was he had other options. If you think that means he go Goodfellas on the guy, that's in your own mind. All I said was he has more than Srsy's vaginal options.I definitely disagree. Its funny Anal is implying he should hurt the guy, but man tell his parents his screen name is just below the belt....lol
I think you are missing something here... It was clear at that point that his mother and lawyer wanted to end this situation right then and there once they realized he and his claims were legit. He didn't need to rat him out to get his money back, he did that out of spite. He could have just as easily said "I am sorry, but I am not comfortable being a rat. His poker habits are none of my business and frankly that is an issue between you and your son". But he didn't, in fact he was happy to rat this guy out to his mom. To me that is unacceptable.
Because I don't have all the details. But I wouldn't take the SrslySirius approach of telling mommy or getting rolled. According to you, those were his only options.
I cleaned up the original post, so it doesn't have a ton of vertical spaces, as well as inserted the images.
Please try to do this when copy and pasting from other sites, or if you can't, just post a link to the original article. (I know you put a link, but don't bother copy and pasting unless the copy-paste looks good here.)
I just read the whole story and the entire thread commenting on it.
I am actually very surprised that Anal Hershiser and vegas1369 are chiding the victim here for being a "rat" or "running to Mommy".
Neither are true in this situation.
Being a rat implies that you ran and told on someone about a matter that wasn't your business, simply because you didn't like the person. For example, if Chris Lee was rude to me at a poker table, and then I heard his parents weren't supposed to know he was playing poker, and I called them to tell him he was still playing, that would be a shitty move, and would make me a rat.
"Running to Mommy" implies bringing someone's parents into a situation where they otherwise have nothing to do with it. For example, if Anal Hershiser relentlessly trolled me here, and I tracked down his mother and gave her a link to PFA to see what he was doing, that would be running to Mommy.
But neither of these situations were true.
Chris Lee stole well over $10,000 from this guy. It doesn't matter that the victim accidentally sent the funds through his own incompetence. That would be like me leaving an accidentally envelope of $10,000 at your house, coming right back over to get it back, and then you refusing to answer the door or acknowledge that this happened. That is stealing. It might be harder to prove or prosecute than traditional stealing/scamming, but it is DEFINITELY stealing. You can't just dismiss this as a case of "finders-keepers". Chris Lee is definitely a scumbag thief (if this story is true, which it likely is), and deserves anything negative that comes from attempts to collect the money back.
I actually believe that the victim did come to confront Chris himself. Even if he didn't, he was still justified to do it. Not only was the mother a joint account-holder, but Chris still lived with his parents and was apparently still supported by them (as are many college students). Chris was not an independent adult, and the victim was not harassing otherwise uninvolved parents. As you could tell from the story, Chris promised his family not to play poker anymore (indicating they still had power over his life), and he lived with them. You know the whole thing of, "As long as you're living under my roof, you live under my rules" regarding parents and their over-18 children? Same thing goes here. So if the victim went to talk to the parties "responsible" for Chris -- even if he was a legal adult -- there's nothing wrong with that.
Now, once the victim got the commitment from the parents for the refund, should he have showed them all about Chris' poker play?
Of course.
The parents were the cooperative ones. They were the ones who did the right thing and assumed the 5-figure debt of their scumbag son. They didn't have to do this. They did it because they were good and honorable people.
Chris was the piece of shit. He was a thief. He intentionally blocked communication with the victim after receiving money that wasn't his, and lied to third parties about the situation. Chris clearly was sending the message, "Ha ha, your money landed in my lap. Guess what, asshole? I'm keeping it, and there's nothing you can do!"
So which party should the victim have been loyal to? The good people who committed to pay off the debt of their son, or the piece of shit thief who cheated him in the first place?
I am of the belief that there is no code of ethics when dealing with thieves and scammers. If someone intentionally steals from you, pretty much anything you can do to get them back is ethical (within reason, of course).
If you can get them fired from their job, great.
If you can ruin friendships of theirs, great.
If you can destroy their reputation. great.
I don't condone extreme physical violence or murder of scammers, but as far as disrupting their lives, they deserve it and then some.
To say, "The victim should have told the parents, 'I'm sorry, but his poker play is not my business and I can't discuss this with you'" is laughable. What code of honor/ethics is being displayed here? That even when someone steals from you and blatantly shuts you out from communication, you still keep his secrets?
You know what would qualify as "being a pussy"?
Refusing to answer his parents' questions about the poker play, because you don't want to get him in trouble.
By definition, being a pussy means being afraid to take action to hurt someone in return who has harmed you.
This guy not only wasn't afraid to take action, but he did all he could to fuck this guy over once he was at the guy's house.
Good for him.
Also I moved the Lindgren-related posts to this thread, where it was already being discussed:
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...rprising/page6
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