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    Quote Originally Posted by HowQuaint View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Thread is gone from 2+2.

    What did it say?
    Be happy that when it comes to finances/cashier, Merge is super cautious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
    I suggest a new undertitle for China. "Merge apologist"

    While incompetence is a definite front running explanation for their cashout problems, I would not feel comfortable having money on that site. Given these client facing issues one can only imagine the internal issues that this software development team has created.
    I have never been an "apologist" for Merge . I am a realist and I think I have a good grasp of what is going on here from just about every angle. The bottom line is people who still want to get paid now can get paid through WU weekly up to 1k.

    The check thing is a bit frustrating but again I would rather them be careful with processing then throw a shitload of money in processors and get them seized and then we have nowhere to play. After the UIGEA even Stars and Tilts checks were taking up to 60 days in some cases if I can remember correctly although most were 30. Eventually payments were instant etc but when the DOJ built a case they snapped off a shitload of cash and they snapped off a bunch before that in "smaller" cases.

    I have been playing on Merge since 2009 and have played more hands here than anywhere and more importantly I have withdrawn more money here than any poker site combined and have never had a problem or suspected anything shady and I have dealt with a lot of people over that time frame.

    THE P2P thing sucks but I think it will be back at some point and if it isn't then it is not the end of the world. And I believe the payments should improve on the new cashier and that will possibly free up the other cashier that is the "merge" cashier. It may not though but I suspect it will. In the mean time I feel safe with keeping money on there and will cash out whatever I don't need as I go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In general, Merge has been very lax in policing botting, multi-accounting, collusion, and other stuff like that.

    This is actually better, in a way, because smaller networks tend to mess this up and make "false positive" closures of innocent accounts when they try too hard.

    Multi-accounting is not against the rules on Merge. What proof is there that Merge ignores botting? I can not even recall seeing any credible posts anywhere about botting at Merge... perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you would express this opinion?

    Also, I'd still like to speak to you about certain points in this article that I think are incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowQuaint View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In general, Merge has been very lax in policing botting, multi-accounting, collusion, and other stuff like that.

    This is actually better, in a way, because smaller networks tend to mess this up and make "false positive" closures of innocent accounts when they try too hard.

    Multi-accounting is not against the rules on Merge. What proof is there that Merge ignores botting? I can not even recall seeing any credible posts anywhere about botting at Merge... perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you would express this opinion?

    Also, I'd still like to speak to you about certain points in this article that I think are incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowQuaint View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In general, Merge has been very lax in policing botting, multi-accounting, collusion, and other stuff like that.

    This is actually better, in a way, because smaller networks tend to mess this up and make "false positive" closures of innocent accounts when they try too hard.

    Multi-accounting is not against the rules on Merge. What proof is there that Merge ignores botting? I can not even recall seeing any credible posts anywhere about botting at Merge... perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you would express this opinion?

    Also, I'd still like to speak to you about certain points in this article that I think are incorrect.

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    You haven't been around on Skype when I've looked for you.

    Anyway, when I said "multi-accounting", I really meant "shared accounting", which is grouped in the "multi-accounting" term, even though it's semantically incorrect.

    I've seen certain people ADMIT on 2+2 to sharing Merge accounts, and nothing happens to them.

    I can't point you to links of botting and collusion accusations at Merge, but I remember reading a number of them over the years on 2+2, and the general consensus was that Merge was ignoring it.

    Again, I am actually not unhappy about that fact, because small networks have had a hard time properly policing these issues, and the ones that have gotten aggressive about it have confiscated funds of innocent people, which is MUCH worse than failing to catch colluders/bots. I know this from experience when I had 46k confiscated on Cake five years ago, only getting my account reopened because I had a semi-busy forum (neverwinpoker) that I threatened to use to bring this issue to light.

    Oh, and if you would like to come on radio (I see someone suggested it), you are welcome any time.

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    Just got this email today...I thought the whole point of the cashier was bigger and better options...Now there's no P2P transferring and all I can get are fucking checks...What a fucking fail...


    Thank you for contacting us.


    Thank you for submitting all of the requested documentation. I'm pleased to inform you that it fulfilled our KYC requirements and your account is now good-to-go for withdrawals via check.

    Unfortunately we are unable to offer bank wire as a withdrawal option at this time. We are continuously looking to add additional methods to our withdrawal

    selections and we will update you as more become available.

    We are always here to help you. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions in relation to this matter. Your reference ID for this email is xxxxxxxxxx; please quote this number in any further communication on this subject.

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    Hey Dan Druff-

    thanks for giving me zero credit in bringing these issues and concerns around Merge to your attention....

    i posted many times months and months ago about the shady dealings happening on Merge even specifically mentioning several key issues such as Feltstars and their strange staking model, lack of game security or concern for protecting their player base, and even the issue of poaching. funny how you dismissed my claims several times and yet now that shit has hit the fan on Merge you want to act like you have the facts. thanks for not giving a SHIT about these issues MONTHS AGO when i posted in several threads and even started my own Merge thread.

    im so glad i quit grinding on Merge!
    EDIT:
    here is my original thread about Merge that i started back in MARCH:
    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-Merge-Network

    well done guys!
    Last edited by ktx49; 11-11-2012 at 05:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis View Post
    Just got this email today...I thought the whole point of the cashier was bigger and better options...Now there's no P2P transferring and all I can get are fucking checks...What a fucking fail...


    Thank you for contacting us.


    Thank you for submitting all of the requested documentation. I'm pleased to inform you that it fulfilled our KYC requirements and your account is now good-to-go for withdrawals via check.

    Unfortunately we are unable to offer bank wire as a withdrawal option at this time. We are continuously looking to add additional methods to our withdrawal

    selections and we will update you as more become available.

    We are always here to help you. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions in relation to this matter. Your reference ID for this email is xxxxxxxxxx; please quote this number in any further communication on this subject.
    which site?

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    The Merge Network in my opinion will be out of business in early 2013 face the facts

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    not sure if this has been mentioned here, didn't read the whole thread.... but i have a buddy that has been waiting 5 days for a small (less than $300) moneybookers cashout from bcp. I thought moneybookers cashouts were supposed to come super fast. Why would it take this long for such a small cashout if they aren't cash poor?

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    Why did merge take pot limit stud games and half pot limit badugi and other mix gameS? This is why I hate them now.

    Also their sportsbook software fucking sucks the most

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxima191 View Post
    The Merge Network in my opinion will be out of business in early 2013 face the facts
    Id be willing to bet a decent amount this is NOT going to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SetofKs View Post
    not sure if this has been mentioned here, didn't read the whole thread.... but i have a buddy that has been waiting 5 days for a small (less than $300) moneybookers cashout from bcp. I thought moneybookers cashouts were supposed to come super fast. Why would it take this long for such a small cashout if they aren't cash poor?
    they have been 10-14 days for a while. Other methods like Neteller and a few others are faster as fast as 3 days.

    I am pretty sure they have a cap on how much MB they can withdraw per month and all of the US players selling to Euros slowed this down bigtime. It should improve. Carbon has the new cashier up . 9k wire max for US and I believe you can do up to 2 at a time
    Last edited by chinamaniac; 11-14-2012 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxima191 View Post
    The Merge Network in my opinion will be out of business in early 2013 face the facts
    Quote Originally Posted by chinamaniac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by maxima191 View Post
    The Merge Network in my opinion will be out of business in early 2013 face the facts
    Id be willing to bet a decent amount this is NOT going to be the case.
    I want in on this action. I'll take 3x whatever action you give china

    Quote Originally Posted by chinamaniac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SetofKs View Post
    not sure if this has been mentioned here, didn't read the whole thread.... but i have a buddy that has been waiting 5 days for a small (less than $300) moneybookers cashout from bcp. I thought moneybookers cashouts were supposed to come super fast. Why would it take this long for such a small cashout if they aren't cash poor?
    they have been 10-14 days for a while. Other methods like Neteller and a few others are faster as fast as 3 days.

    I am pretty sure they have a cap on how much MB they can withdraw per month and all of the US players selling to Euros slowed this down bigtime. It should improve. Carbon has the new cashier up . 9k wire max for US and I believe you can do up to 2 at a time

    This is exactly what is happening. Try the other half dozen methods... Instadebit, Click2Pay, WebMoney, Neteller, etc . The channels aren't clogged and they are faster.


    Also, the new cashier that Carbon/PDC/Aced are(will be) on just got its first publicly posted feedback on withdrawal time(CC deposits are way up on new cashier btw):

    Originally Posted by vladxxxro View Post
    Requested Skrill withdrawal on Friday
    They said 3-5 days
    Received it on monday after 2 days: 5400$

    Great surprise, congratulations! The new system is worth it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinamaniac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
    I suggest a new undertitle for China. "Merge apologist"

    While incompetence is a definite front running explanation for their cashout problems, I would not feel comfortable having money on that site. Given these client facing issues one can only imagine the internal issues that this software development team has created.
    I have never been an "apologist" for Merge . I am a realist and I think I have a good grasp of what is going on here from just about every angle. The bottom line is people who still want to get paid now can get paid through WU weekly up to 1k. .

    I play on carbon and I can't find the option to withdraw through WU anywhere. Could you please tell me where I can find it or how it can be done? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 888 View Post

    I play on carbon and I can't find the option to withdraw through WU anywhere. Could you please tell me where I can find it or how it can be done? Thanks.

    There is no WU withdrawal option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 888 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chinamaniac View Post

    I have never been an "apologist" for Merge . I am a realist and I think I have a good grasp of what is going on here from just about every angle. The bottom line is people who still want to get paid now can get paid through WU weekly up to 1k. .

    I play on carbon and I can't find the option to withdraw through WU anywhere. Could you please tell me where I can find it or how it can be done? Thanks.
    There is no WU withdraw on Carbon now because there is a new cashier

    Where I play currently on Merge they have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktx49 View Post
    Hey Dan Druff-

    thanks for giving me zero credit in bringing these issues and concerns around Merge to your attention....

    i posted many times months and months ago about the shady dealings happening on Merge even specifically mentioning several key issues such as Feltstars and their strange staking model, lack of game security or concern for protecting their player base, and even the issue of poaching. funny how you dismissed my claims several times and yet now that shit has hit the fan on Merge you want to act like you have the facts. thanks for not giving a SHIT about these issues MONTHS AGO when i posted in several threads and even started my own Merge thread.

    im so glad i quit grinding on Merge!
    EDIT:
    here is my original thread about Merge that i started back in MARCH:
    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-Merge-Network

    well done guys!
    Bump, shrug, sigh

    pretty sure its already obvious to most peeps, but you guys should take a careful look at this entire thread(and the rest of the forum) and examine who/what is being posted after *EVERY SINGLE* negative comment or post relating to Merge Network....

    just seems odd to me, this thread feels like some Official Merge thread with a support rep who obv has to reply to every single question and complaint.
    Last edited by ktx49; 11-20-2012 at 09:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktx49 View Post

    Bump, shrug, sigh

    pretty sure its already obvious to most peeps, but you guys should take a careful look at this entire thread(and the rest of the forum) and examine who/what is being posted after *EVERY SINGLE* negative comment or post relating to Merge Network....

    just seems odd to me, this thread feels like some Official Merge thread with a support rep who obv has to reply to every single question and complaint.
    Druff only responds when he can defend. Silence means his face turned red and he closed his laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktx49 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ktx49 View Post
    Hey Dan Druff-

    thanks for giving me zero credit in bringing these issues and concerns around Merge to your attention....

    i posted many times months and months ago about the shady dealings happening on Merge even specifically mentioning several key issues such as Feltstars and their strange staking model, lack of game security or concern for protecting their player base, and even the issue of poaching. funny how you dismissed my claims several times and yet now that shit has hit the fan on Merge you want to act like you have the facts. thanks for not giving a SHIT about these issues MONTHS AGO when i posted in several threads and even started my own Merge thread.

    im so glad i quit grinding on Merge!
    EDIT:
    here is my original thread about Merge that i started back in MARCH:
    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...-Merge-Network

    well done guys!
    Bump, shrug, sigh

    pretty sure its already obvious to most peeps, but you guys should take a careful look at this entire thread(and the rest of the forum) and examine who/what is being posted after *EVERY SINGLE* negative comment or post relating to Merge Network....

    just seems odd to me, this thread feels like some Official Merge thread with a support rep who obv has to reply to every single question and complaint.
    I don't understand what your posts had to do with my report on Merge.

    Your posts seemed to be a lot of really awful stuff about Merge that wasn't substantiated with any evidence. They also did not have anything to do with the infighting between the skins, did they?

    You must have misread my report here, because I was NOT saying that Merge is an awful, corrupt place to play.

    This report was basically saying that they appear to be in okay shape, but are probably fucking over their smaller skins (not the players, but the skins themselves).

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