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    i mean we've had some really prolific liars on this site and quite a few drug addicted paranoid schizophrenics but this thread is a whole new ball game.
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    Oh shit. I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Exploitable Sluts". Though it was another thread about Sara the Slot Lady.

     
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    Mickey has been the subject of podcasts and interviews regarding advantage play.

    I came upon them by accident years ago and posted links. As is typical, there was no response by Mickey or PFA

    Advantage play was a world I was curious about as well as those who occupied that space. I suspect the Blackjack Ball triggered my hunt

    To my knowledge, he is the only community member ever interviewed for his wagering.

    Mickey’s and my world do not intersect but I give him props

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Mickey has been the subject of podcasts and interviews regarding advantage play.

    I came upon them by accident years ago and posted links. As is typical, there was no response by Mickey or PFA

    Advantage play was a world I was curious about as well as those who occupied that space. I suspect the Blackjack Ball triggered my hunt

    To my knowledge, he is the only community member ever interviewed for his wagering.

    Mickey’s and my world do not intersect but I give him props
    He pushes those slot buttons better than anyone, that is a fact.

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    How do career gamblers liked Druff or Crimm accrue any social security benefits. SS payments keep cropping up in posts - I’m tuning in late admittedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Hourly rates fluctuate depending on location, plays generated, and competition for the plays. But overall its in the $140 an hour range. That includes time looking for the plays as well as seat time spinning them off.

    Slot AP’s are not created equal. What one makes is a function of their knowledge and how hard they are willing to work. Most make less than me but there are a few that make it into low 7 figures per year.
    So to be clear you are easily clearing six figures a year playing advantage slots?
    I make it into low six figures not playing more than a couple of hours a day. Which is all I care to do these days.

    If I were willing to go 10 to 12 hours per day I would do somewhere between 250K and 300K this year (but I'm not really capable of that anymore). That's what current conditions are for me.

    Things can change for either the good or the bad. There is no guarantee that things will be good in the future. A lot of slot AP's washed out in the 2000's due to a lack of exploitable machines. But by 2015 the exploitables were coming hot and heavy. Numerous new exploitable games are being introduced as we speak. My take is the IGT/Spielo merger led to the renaissance.
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    Like Kessler, Bill Krakomberger likes to tweet about his advantage slot exploits. Here, he hits a hand pay at the airport on an exploitable called Ultimate Fire Link:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1810681116703203519
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Like Kessler, Bill Krakomberger likes to tweet about his advantage slot exploits. Here, he hits a hand pay at the airport on an exploitable called Ultimate Fire Link:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1810681116703203519



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    How do career gamblers liked Druff or Crimm accrue any social security benefits. SS payments keep cropping up in posts - I’m tuning in late admittedly.
    How does a drywall contractor accrue SS benefits? Gamblers are subject to taxes just like everyone else. Billy Baxter is famous in poker circles. He was Stu Unger's backer. His case on gambling and taxes set a precedent in 1986.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_v._United_States

    However, I dispute that payroll deductions for SS are taxes. It's a payment into a retirement system in which you will reap future benefits.
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    Here is Krakomberger at Ellis Island featuring an exploitable called Raise the Sails:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1788327762497085946
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Mickey has been the subject of podcasts and interviews regarding advantage play.

    I came upon them by accident years ago and posted links. As is typical, there was no response by Mickey or PFA

    Advantage play was a world I was curious about as well as those who occupied that space. I suspect the Blackjack Ball triggered my hunt

    To my knowledge, he is the only community member ever interviewed for his wagering.

    Mickey’s and my world do not intersect but I give him props
    I've done 4 Gambling With An Edge interviews and one on Risk of Ruin. I influenced Bob Dancer into becoming an advantage slot player. And also Richard Munchkin's son. Dancer now writes about advantage slots in some of his blogs on Las Vegas Adviser. Michael Shackleford of Wizard of Odds is also now writing about advantage slots.
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    Rich Little Piggies

    This is a pretty simple play. All you have to do is pay attention to the blue pig and how many free games are banked. It starts at 9 games and moves upwards as you make spins. I put the breakeven number at 17 but I like a win factor so I play at 20 free games or higher.

    Once you start the play you continue until one of four things happen:

    1. You trigger the blue pig alone
    2. You trigger the blue pig and yellow pig
    3. You trigger the blue pig and red pig.
    4. You trigger all three pigs.

    So you are going to play until that blue pig triggers and resets. The best scenario is you triggger all 3 pigs. Second best is trigerring bluepig/yellowpig.

    The trigger you don't want to see is triggering the blue pig alone. It pays money but not much. But 75% of the time you will trigger that blue pig alone. On those plays you will win a little or lose a little. The other 25% of the time you will trigger either bluepig/yellowpig or all three pigs. These are the payday triggers.

    In the video below our hero jumps on a Piggie at 21. It runs him up to 30 and cost him $2700 but he racked up $4600 in the bonus round.

    The bluepig/yellowpig triggers at 16:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post

    So to be clear you are easily clearing six figures a year playing advantage slots?
    I make it into low six figures not playing more than a couple of hours a day. Which is all I care to do these days.

    If I were willing to go 10 to 12 hours per day I would do somewhere between 250K and 300K this year (but I'm not really capable of that anymore). That's what current conditions are for me.

    Things can change for either the good or the bad. There is no guarantee that things will be good in the future. A lot of slot AP's washed out in the 2000's due to a lack of exploitable machines. But by 2015 the exploitables were coming hot and heavy. Numerous new exploitable games are being introduced as we speak. My take is the IGT/Spielo merger led to the renaissance.
    Curious what buy in level for slots you are playing (1 dollar vs 50 dollar slots)and how big of a bankroll you need for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria View Post
    Oh shit. I misread the thread title. I thought it said "Exploitable Sluts". Though it was another thread about Sara the Slot Lady.
    "There will be so many exploitable sluts you will not know to do with yourselves." Beavis and Butthead Do America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    How do career gamblers liked Druff or Crimm accrue any social security benefits. SS payments keep cropping up in posts - I’m tuning in late admittedly.
    First, Crimm is not affected. He has no income other than Social Security. There are two ways. One, you can report it as gambling income, but you have to itemize your deductions to claim gambling losses. The other way is to file a Schedule C as a “professional gambler”. The first way is not subject to SS taxes. The second is, and you have to pay 12.4% up to $168,600. You have to “run the numbers” to see which is more advantageous. If you can claim legit expenses on your Schedule C, you can get that number down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    I make it into low six figures not playing more than a couple of hours a day. Which is all I care to do these days.

    If I were willing to go 10 to 12 hours per day I would do somewhere between 250K and 300K this year (but I'm not really capable of that anymore). That's what current conditions are for me.

    Things can change for either the good or the bad. There is no guarantee that things will be good in the future. A lot of slot AP's washed out in the 2000's due to a lack of exploitable machines. But by 2015 the exploitables were coming hot and heavy. Numerous new exploitable games are being introduced as we speak. My take is the IGT/Spielo merger led to the renaissance.
    Curious what buy in level for slots you are playing (1 dollar vs 50 dollar slots)and how big of a bankroll you need for this?
    Most of the plays in the casinos I haunt are $10 bets and lower.

    500 units is generally enough to keep you out of trouble. I rarely go into a casino with more than 10K. However, some plays require much more. Like that $30 Piggie I just posted. Those are rare plays but you need about 15K (500 units)at the machine to be safe. But with a $3 Piggie you would need only $1500.

    Slot AP is low risk high reward. I work the biggest edges in the business with no downside. Losing days are rare.

     
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    Has there been ever, a worst thread on this forum? This is fucking awful Druff. I get it you are getting up in age, but for FFS get a moderator around here. This thing is just terrible.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Has there been ever, a worst thread on this forum? This is fucking awful Druff. I get it you are getting up in age, but for FFS get a moderator around here. This thing is just terrible.

    imagine running a fraud busting poker forum but letting someone chased off your fringe gambling forum show up and tell your main forum base how to snatch cheese from human rat-traps.


    just appalling stuff honestly.

     
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