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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Wars View Post
    It's not as easy as it once was, but these trolls will soon face the realization that a 70 year old man brings in more $$$ than they did with their virtue signaling software programing 9-5's.

    You seem a fierce defender of Mickey. I would guess you're from that world or aspire to be.

    I seriously doubt the above statement, but it's not that important. There is something to be said for doing something you love and being able to support and feed yourself doing it and pulling yourself out of homelessness. I don't for a second think Micky was making $20k a month for 32 years or for 20 years or for more than some random single year. Can you make $20k a month with 17k of expenses from driving 200k miles a year? Maybe.

    Simple reason being childless people who made that money for any length of time have zero interest in slowing down now and not chasing because they now receive social security checks of $3k a month or whatever it is capped out at. Mickey said he didn't need to go work as much because he now had SS checks rolling in. They don't price motels by Motel Six standards. Successful people have a number in their heads that means I don't have to work anymore, and SS checks sure the fuck aren't in that equation.

    That would be irrelevant.

    That's not the actions of some serious successful millionaire gambler.

    I have never thought of what my social security checks might be because if it's an actual concern, I have done something terribly wrong with my life.

    I think someone willing to travel on a shoestring budget and forgo a normal life and eat where you're comped and stay where you're comped and devote their life to standing behind disgusting people watching machines all day until The Golden Mongoose or Fairy Princess or whatever stupid machine designed to light up the frontal lobes of post-menopausal women embezzling money from their secretary jobs becomes profitable can probably eke out a middle-class income doing it. I don't doubt that.

    I don't doubt Druff can cycle through a half million of play on a weekend at a possible neutral EV machine and obtain a really nice room for 200 days a year. What he does makes perfect sense for a professional millionaire poker player. Druff complains about the AC at nice strip hotels. You aren't catching him at a Motel Six.

    I don't doubt you can feed yourself and maybe even occasionally buy a few Liberty Double Eagle gold coins. But I don't believe for a second there are even 100 guys out there of the millions playing dodging variance and the cost of travel and living a quality standard of life. I don't view it as something to aspire to. If your kid grows up to be an advantage machine pro, I am guessing most would view that as a failure even if it pays the bills. I think he's an expert at something barely worth being an expert at.

    That said, I applaud the thread. It's his best post here and at least it's informative and if someone lives in Vegas or somewhere with local access to a million machines, could be a nice sideline income if you love being in a casino. I won't troll his thread. Maybe he will prove me wrong and it's lucrative beyond my wildest imagination and I will start looking for a van. I would like some future trip reports out of those who give these a go and what their results are over a large sample. Not the VCT stuff. Those people are too invested in wanting it to be real and profitable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    I know someone who owes me 6K who tells me advantage slots are a thing even though he never wins them.
    I am sure you'll be getting it back with interest any day now.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    You seem a fierce defender of Mickey. I would guess you're from that world or aspire to be.

    I seriously doubt the above statement, but it's not that important. There is something to be said for doing something you love and being able to support and feed yourself doing it and pulling yourself out of homelessness. I don't for a second think Micky was making $20k a month for 32 years or for 20 years or for more than some random single year. Can you make $20k a month with 17k of expenses from driving 200k miles a year? Maybe.

    Simple reason being childless people who made that money for any length of time have zero interest in slowing down now and not chasing because they now receive social security checks of $3k a month or whatever it is capped out at. Mickey said he didn't need to go work as much because he now had SS checks rolling in. They don't price motels by Motel Six standards. Successful people have a number in their heads that means I don't have to work anymore, and SS checks sure the fuck aren't in that equation.

    That would be irrelevant.

    That's not the actions of some serious successful millionaire gambler.

    I have never thought of what my social security checks might be because if it's an actual concern, I have done something terribly wrong with my life.

    I think someone willing to travel on a shoestring budget and forgo a normal life and eat where you're comped and stay where you're comped and devote their life to standing behind disgusting people watching machines all day until The Golden Mongoose or Fairy Princess or whatever stupid machine designed to light up the frontal lobes of post-menopausal women embezzling money from their secretary jobs becomes profitable can probably eke out a middle-class income doing it. I don't doubt that.

    I don't doubt Druff can cycle through a half million of play on a weekend at a possible neutral EV machine and obtain a really nice room for 200 days a year. What he does makes perfect sense for a professional millionaire poker player. Druff complains about the AC at nice strip hotels. You aren't catching him at a Motel Six.

    I don't doubt you can feed yourself and maybe even occasionally buy a few Liberty Double Eagle gold coins. But I don't believe for a second there are even 100 guys out there of the millions playing dodging variance and the cost of travel and living a quality standard of life. I don't view it as something to aspire to. If your kid grows up to be an advantage machine pro, I am guessing most would view that as a failure even if it pays the bills. I think he's an expert at something barely worth being an expert at.

    That said, I applaud the thread. It's his best post here and at least it's informative and if someone lives in Vegas or somewhere with local access to a million machines, could be a nice sideline income if you love being in a casino. I won't troll his thread. Maybe he will prove me wrong and it's lucrative beyond my wildest imagination and I will start looking for a van. I would like some future trip reports out of those who give these a go and what their results are over a large sample. Not the VCT stuff. Those people are too invested in wanting it to be real and profitable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    I know someone who owes me 6K who tells me advantage slots are a thing even though he never wins them.
    I am sure you'll be getting it back with interest any day now.
    I'll first cover the lies in your post.

    I never said I've made 20K per month for 32 years. You fabricated that.

    I don't drive 200K miles per year.

    LOL at 17K month in expenses. Where did you get that one. My expenses generally run about 15% of the earn.

    I never said I slowed down because of SS. Just another one of your lies. My SS doesn't factor into anything. The big factors for slowing down are my age and wealth. For someone that purports to be a gambler you sure don't know much about bankroll. Mine has grown exponentially over the years. So what do you do with your bankroll when you slow down on the gambling? Well, it's a pretty nice retirement account. That was the objective to start with. To create wealth for my old age. That's exactly what I've done. If I never receive another dime in income I won't run out of money for the rest of my life. Nothing you can conjure up in your imagination can change that.

    I'm not operating on a shoestring budget (another of your lies).

    Fuck a van. I looked at that shit upwards, downwards, sideways, everywhichway. Fuck a van or even Class B. Class A is a black hole you throw money down. You like living in a van in hot weather? I don't. You like sleeping at truck stops? I don't. You like going without showers? I don't. Hotels have the showers, cable, wi-fi, fridges, micros, etc. I like the comforts. None of that cramped up shit. And I don't stay at Motel 6.

    I have to laugh out loud at your skepticism and wanting people to give you trip reports. Like you are some kind of important person. You aren't. You're irrelevant to what I do.

    Oh, yes. Dodging variance? You don't have the knowledge to know it but variance is your friend.

    In one paragraph you say machine AP is nothing to aspire to. In the next paragraph you say you might buy a van and do it yourself.

    This is a poker site. I won't be showing people how to hit the road driving 50K miles a year. I will be showing how to combine the poker room with the rest of the casino to make a bigger profit

    As for you not trolling this thread? You already did with your above post. It's full of lies and insults.

    PS: Slot AP's are not created equal. BCR. you don't have the ability to reach my level of expertise.
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    BUFFALO ASCENSION

    Buffalo Ascension is a game where the reels expand as you are spinning. At reset the reels are just four high. But the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th reels will open up to 5 high, 6 high, and 7 high.

    When a reel reaches the top you are awarded either Free Spins, a Stampede Jackpot or a Super Stampede Jackpot. Most of the time it will be the Free Spins/Stampede Jackpots. The Super Stampede is the longest frequency hit but pays the most money.

    The overall payback of the game runs from high 80's to low 90's depending on location. But the short term payback is predicated on how high the 2nd, 3rd and 4th reels are.

    The game is based on ways to hit a pay, not lines. At reset there are 1024 ways (4X4X4X4X4 = 1024). The max number of ways is 4X7X7X7X4 = 5488).

    Stop the video below at 0:10. The guy is starting out with the reels at 4,4,6,6,4. That's 2304 ways.



    At 1:18 the 3rd reel moves up to 7. Now there are 2688 ways.

    At 1:35 it moves up to 3360 ways. Remember this number. It's where the advantage begins. You don't want to play if the ways are below 3360.

    BTW, you don't have to do the math at the machine. The number of ways is shown on the bet pad down below the game.

    At 1:50 it moves up to 3920 ways.

    At 2:55 the guy switches down to the $10 bet level, just 2880 ways there. Bad move on his part. But at 4:13 he moves back to the $30 bet. Watch what happens next.

    At 6:04 he catches the Super Stampede. Now it's a matter of seeing how many buffaloes appear in the screen. The more buffs the more you get paid. He scored a 1000 for 1 payoff.

    Catching a full screen of buffaloes pays 2500 for 1. I've done it once.

    You'll find this game in most every casino these days. You'll also find vultures sitting around waiting on the ploppies to get up while leaving a good number. The game is highly lucrative or the vultures wouldn't be there.

     
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    Advantage slots are variable state games. The house has the overall edge in the long run but in the short term the games offer advantages to players.

    Take a game where the overall long term payback is 90%. It's variable state. So half the time the game returns 70% and the other half the time it returns 110%. That averages to 90% overall payback.

    My strategy is to play only when the game is in the 110% mode. I will never make a spin that has an expectation of only 70%.

    These games play like computer games so there are things that can be deciphered. They can be analyzed and strategized.
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    In the pic you can see that a Super Stampede is above both the 2nd and 3rd reels. This occasionally happens so watch for it.
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    Qualifier for playing Buffalo Ascension. There are two conditions.

    1. The 3rd reel (Super Stamped) must be at the top, 7th level. If that condition is met then there is a 2nd condition.

    2. There must be at least 3360 ways or more or forget it.

     
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    This is a fail thread, and while Mickey is on the same side of the political landscape as me, at least indirectly, this is about the worst thread in many years. Exploitable Slots just seems like a VHS porn tape I would rent in college between girlfriends. You know the two dyed jet black hair women on the cover, you get where I am going with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    This is a fail thread, and while Mickey is on the same side of the political landscape as me, at least indirectly, this is about the worst thread in many years. Exploitable Slots just seems like a VHS porn tape I would rent in college between girlfriends. You know the two dyed jet black hair women on the cover, you get where I am going with this.
    Agree, dear Mickey needs to reframe this entire debacle instead of just ripping off posts from other casino men and linking Allen Kessler tweets.

    I suggest pivoting to a top 10 list of sorts with video reviews, from the neck up to protect his dignity.

    Would love seeing the Mickster grinding his slot.playnon video.

    Or just start recapping some grave hunting practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    This is a fail thread, and while Mickey is on the same side of the political landscape as me, at least indirectly, this is about the worst thread in many years. Exploitable Slots just seems like a VHS porn tape I would rent in college between girlfriends. You know the two dyed jet black hair women on the cover, you get where I am going with this.
    Agree, dear Mickey needs to reframe this entire debacle instead of just ripping off posts from other casino men and linking Allen Kessler tweets.

    I suggest pivoting to a top 10 list of sorts with video reviews, from the neck up to protect his dignity.

    Would love seeing the Mickster grinding his slot.playnon video.

    Or just start recapping some grave hunting practices.
    You are as ignorant as the day is long. And you have no aptitude for it. The videos make it easy for me to teach the plays. And they are convenient. They're already up on youtube. Do you really think I would go out and make videos for YOU? GTFO.

    How's the troll grinding going?
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    [QUOTE=tgull;1125659]This is a fail thread, and while Mickey is on the same side of the political landscape as me, at least indirectly, this is about the worst thread in many years. Exploitable Slots just seems like a VHS porn tape I would rent in college between girlfriends. You know the two dyed jet black hair women on the cover, you get where I am going with this.[/QU

    I've been hearing from non-believers like you for thirty years. It don't make you a bad person. Some people just can't grasp it.

    But I don't just get the "you are full of bullshit" from your side. I also get flack from AP's that don't like me teaching the plays. I'm already getting flack from some in the AP community for starting this thread. They would just as soon you stay as ignorant as you are about it. They don't want the competition for the plays.

    It might not be your cup of tea but there are some on this site that will put the information to good use.
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    [QUOTE=mickeycrimm;1125667]
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    This is a fail thread, and while Mickey is on the same side of the political landscape as me, at least indirectly, this is about the worst thread in many years. Exploitable Slots just seems like a VHS porn tape I would rent in college between girlfriends. You know the two dyed jet black hair women on the cover, you get where I am going with this.[/QU

    I've been hearing from non-believers like you for thirty years. It don't make you a bad person. Some people just can't grasp it.

    But I don't just get the "you are full of bullshit" from your side. I also get flack from AP's that don't like me teaching the plays. I'm already getting flack from some in the AP community for starting this thread. They would just as soon you stay as ignorant as you are about it. They don't want the competition for the plays.

    It might not be your cup of tea but there are some on this site that will put the information to good use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Advantage slots are variable state games. The house has the overall edge in the long run but in the short term the games offer advantages to players.

    Take a game where the overall long term payback is 90%. It's variable state. So half the time the game returns 70% and the other half the time it returns 110%. That averages to 90% overall payback.

    My strategy is to play only when the game is in the 110% mode. I will never make a spin that has an expectation of only 70%.

    These games play like computer games so there are things that can be deciphered. They can be analyzed and strategized.
    Serious question how much do you roughly make per hour playing slots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Advantage slots are variable state games. The house has the overall edge in the long run but in the short term the games offer advantages to players.

    Take a game where the overall long term payback is 90%. It's variable state. So half the time the game returns 70% and the other half the time it returns 110%. That averages to 90% overall payback.

    My strategy is to play only when the game is in the 110% mode. I will never make a spin that has an expectation of only 70%.

    These games play like computer games so there are things that can be deciphered. They can be analyzed and strategized.
    Serious question how much do you roughly make per hour playing slots?
    Hourly rates fluctuate depending on location, plays generated, and competition for the plays. But overall its in the $140 an hour range. That includes time looking for the plays as well as seat time spinning them off.

    Slot AP’s are not created equal. What one makes is a function of their knowledge and how hard they are willing to work. Most make less than me but there are a few that make it into low 7 figures per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post

    Don't take this the wrong way, but I believe you are abusing heroin.
    Is ignorance bliss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post

    Serious question how much do you roughly make per hour playing slots?
    Hourly rates fluctuate depending on location, plays generated, and competition for the plays. But overall its in the $140 an hour range. That includes time looking for the plays as well as seat time spinning them off.

    Slot APís are not created equal. What one makes is a function of their knowledge and how hard they are willing to work. Most make less than me but there are a few that make it into low 7 figures per year.
    FOLKS WE HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF US, THE WINNINGEST SLOT PLAYER EVER. YES RIGHT HERE BEFORE US. HE PRESSES THE BUTTONS BETTER THAN ANY OF US. YOU SEE ITS A SYSTEM, HE WAITS, WATCHES AND PRESSES THE BUTTON AND THERE IT IS.THEY CALL HIM THE SLOT MASTER. HE WEARS A SCARF TOO. TRUE STORY.

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    AP play at the Mirage. They're giving away the progressive money which by law they are required to do. You can bet the Vegas slot AP's are there. But I don't think there is much expectation there.

    Bill Krakomberger, besides being a professional sports bettor, is also an advantage slot player:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
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    Serious question how much do you roughly make per hour playing slots?
    Hourly rates fluctuate depending on location, plays generated, and competition for the plays. But overall its in the $140 an hour range. That includes time looking for the plays as well as seat time spinning them off.

    Slot AP’s are not created equal. What one makes is a function of their knowledge and how hard they are willing to work. Most make less than me but there are a few that make it into low 7 figures per year.
    I don't make nearly this rate, but still beats most jobs for hourly. That's the problem with homesteading (staying close to home), but I don't wanna travel for this...so I "pay" the price.

    My market is so-so, and I know there are better locales around the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BetCheckBet View Post

    Serious question how much do you roughly make per hour playing slots?
    Hourly rates fluctuate depending on location, plays generated, and competition for the plays. But overall its in the $140 an hour range. That includes time looking for the plays as well as seat time spinning them off.

    Slot APís are not created equal. What one makes is a function of their knowledge and how hard they are willing to work. Most make less than me but there are a few that make it into low 7 figures per year.
    So to be clear you are easily clearing six figures a year playing advantage slots?
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