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    Bally bankruptcy might change the entire salary structure of baseball as we know it

    Bally's is a confusing brand.

    In 1986, the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, which had been partially destroyed by a deadly 1980 fire, was bought by Bally Manufacturing, and renamed Bally's. It eventually became a Caesars property in 2005, but retained the Bally's name. In mid-December 2022, it was renamed to Horseshoe, but the outside sign was not changed until just last week.

    But this thread isn't about that hotel. Nor is it about Bally's Corporation, which owns 15 casinos, including the Tropicana in Las Vegas, which may in turn be renamed Bally's at some point.

    Instead, I am talking about Bally Sports, which runs regional sports network. It uses the same Bally logo that has existed since long before I was born, but it is not affiliated with Bally's Corporation, Bally Manufacturing, or any other Bally's entity. The Bally name and logo were acquired via a licensing agreement.





    Bally Sports was originally Prime Sports, and you may have seen a local "Prime Ticket" channel on your cable lineup in the 1990s. Eventually this became "Fox Sports Net" in the late '90s, and you would find your local MLB or NBA teams playing there. However, when Disney acquired 21st Century Fox in 2019, the DOJ ordered them to divest either ESPN or the Fox Sports Net channels they were about to acquire, in order to avoid antitrust issues. Disney kept ESPN and sold Fox Sports Net to a company called Sinclair Broadcast Group in May 2019, for $10.4 billion.

    In late 2020, all of the channels were renamed Bally Sports, after a licensing agreement with Bally's Corporation was struck. This wasn't just in name only. Bally's Corporation would air some of its content on the networks, and there would be an effort to integrate some of Bally's sportsbetting offerings into the network, as well. The naming rights were sold, not purchased. That is, Bally's Corporation paid Sinclair to have its name on the networks.

    Unfortunately, this is a very bad time to own a regional sports network. This is because the regional sports model is antiquated. It relies upon cable TV subscribers (which are decreasing in number every year), and also relies upon cable companies agreeing to pay an increasing amount of money per subscriber. Some cable companies and satellite providers have balked at the proliferation of all of these channels sticking their hands out for $1-$5 per subscriber, and the number of subscribers keeps plummeting. It's also very much stuck in the past. Streaming content is not allowed, so the only way to watch these sports networks is via your cable TV. You cannot stream it on your phone or tablet.

    For this reason, the ratings are rather poor for these networks, and advertisers simply don't want to pay very much. It's not like the old days when every dude watched his local sports team on TV each day. There are so many home entertainment options that watching regular season sports has become a pastime only for the diehard fan.

    At the same time, it costs a fortune to get the rights to air these games. The Dodgers acquired a whopping $8.35 billion deal for the rights to air their games for the next 25 years -- again with the antiquated cable-only model. This is the main reason they have so much money to spend on players (and why it's frustrating fans that they're being fairly frugal in 2023!)

    These regional networks lose a fortune. They simply cannot get the advertising revenue to cover the high dollar contracts with the MLB and NBA teams (for example, Spectrum pays the Dodgers approximately $2 million per aired game), and the network's other shows get virtually zero audience.

    I have opined for a long time that MLB has a huge problem which will come to roost soon enough. It's three-pronged, though all are related:

    1) The average fan is too old. When my generation croaks, they're going to have a huge problem attracting a large fanbase. (Poker will have this problem, too.)

    2) Their cable-only broadcasting strategy is stuck in the dark ages. This further shuts out the younger fans. Laughably, while there's an MLB package where you can watch games on the app, it specifically blacks out the local team!

    3) The money will from these regional sports networks will dry up, either when the contracts expire or when the networks themselves go bankrupt. This will create a huge ripple in the MLB salary structure, as most of the money paying for these players is coming from these monster TV contracts.


    Well, #3 has just happened.

    Bally Sports is broke. They missed their $140 million interest payment, and are discussing declaring bankruptcy. It is likely that the MLB teams expecting payments from Bally Sports will not be getting that money.

    This affects 14 of the 30 MLB teams: Arizona Diamondbacks, Atlanta Braves, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Kansas City Royals, Anaheim "Los Angeles" Angels, Miami Marlins, Milwaukee Brewers, Minnesota Twins, San Diego Padres, St. Louis Cardinals, Texas Rangers and Tampa Bay Rays.

    Additionally, AT&T Sportsnet, which airs games for the Colorado Rockies, Houston Astros and Pittsburgh Pirates, is also struggling and missed recent payments.

    This means that 17 of the 30 MLB teams may have no TV home in 2023, and more importantly, no revenue from those lucrative TV contracts.

    In the meantime, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said that MLB will take on the responsibility to broadcast these games, and perhaps will start selling streaming packages to local fans -- something prohibited before by these cable agreements.

    However, that's just a band-aid fix. MLB has long subsisted on smoke-and-mirrors money from these cable deals, where each team was getting far too much money for selling their broadcasting rights. Those days appear to be over -- and right after an offseason filled with record contracts.

    I do not believe local streaming sales will generate anywhere near the money these cable deals were.

    It's very possible that these 17 teams will be fucked going forward.

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    This is going to lead to the same result as the NFL and others. Namely a salary cap (likely soft like the NBAs) with luxury tax added in also like the NBA and creating revenue sharing. Why?? Because teams like Yankees Dodgers Cubs etc who have cashcow RSN contracts (the Yankees even owning YES itself) would create an unfair advantage as they have no risk of losing their massive tv revenue for local markets clearly. It’s the only way to avoid essentially creating a totally 2-3 tiered MLB where all the money resides in a few places with unlimited spending (now don’t get me wrong we know deep pockets doesn’t always lead to WS titles just ask NY and LA but if it’s literally only a few teams with the revenue to afford big contracts at all it will alter the landscape inexplicably for the worse).

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    This is one of the most informative posts I've ever read here. Could be major changes to MLB coming.

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    It really is interesting.

    No denying this is gonna put a dent in the bodywork of a lot of teams and not just MLB. NBA & NHL gonna feel it too.

    Cable subscriptions are a dying thing and transition was never gonna be smooth.

    I think NHL knew this was coming as they held their salary cap. MLB is the dumbest organization so rightfully they likely will be hurt the most for a while.

    Obviously this happening as legalized wagering sweeps the nation is ironic. PLOPPIES AREN'T BETTING A GAME THEY CAN NOT SEE.

    We always heard the holy grail for the sports books was “on screen” wagering. You’re watching a game and you have a menu on the side. This was really NEVER going to happen via cable.

    As it is many books offer a feed for the sports they book. Some are actually really good. BOL is crummy but it’s offered. I think MGM NHL feeds are excellent. I was sweating a game with someone and they were always way ahead of me in terms of video latency. Smart TV and there you go.

    Maybe Ballys is reaping $4 a month from whatever remaining cable customers there are. What is the value PER DAY to the book to have an ENGAGED ploppie? Far far greater than $4/mo.

    Maybe leagues and books put together their own ESPN. They can’t do any worse

    It’s really interesting to consider what the future will bring. The money and the viewers will always be there. (I say that mug obv our population is generally declining.) The model is obviously shifting and it might hurt in the interim.

    There is already a have and have not problem in American pro sports. Makes you wish for relegation instead of everyone making playoffs. Shit needed to be sorted anyway. Who has the money and who doesn’t is gonna shift. Promise you.

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    Some of you might be wondering about Live at the Bike, and whether they'll be screwed. After all, they are now "Bally's Presents Live at the Bike". Does this mean they will shut down if Bally Sports goes bankrupt?

    No.

    They are actually now owned by Bally's Corporation. This financial trouble is plaguing Bally Sports, which is a separate company leasing out the naming rights to Bally's Corporation.

    In short, Live at the Bike and their dark studio will not be affected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    This is going to lead to the same result as the NFL and others. Namely a salary cap (likely soft like the NBAs) with luxury tax added in also like the NBA and creating revenue sharing. Why?? Because teams like Yankees Dodgers Cubs etc who have cashcow RSN contracts (the Yankees even owning YES itself) would create an unfair advantage as they have no risk of losing their massive tv revenue for local markets clearly. It’s the only way to avoid essentially creating a totally 2-3 tiered MLB where all the money resides in a few places with unlimited spending (now don’t get me wrong we know deep pockets doesn’t always lead to WS titles just ask NY and LA but if it’s literally only a few teams with the revenue to afford big contracts at all it will alter the landscape inexplicably for the worse).
    Yes, this is going to create a huge haves-versus-have-nots issue in baseball -- worse than we already see today.

    The teams with big TV contracts with companies which won't default -- such as the Dodgers with Spectrum/Charter -- will continue to see their big money roll in, even as the cable channels airing them lose a fortune. The teams without these contracts -- which might be more than half of them pretty soon -- will have to subsist on MUCH smaller revenue.

    This is especially a problem because of existing long-term contracts.

    Now, it's true that the top 6 teams in salary for 2023 -- Yankees, Mets, Padres, Phillies, Dodgers, and Blue Jays -- are not affected by this. However, the Braves, Angeles, (probably) Astros, and Rangers -- the next four teams on the top team salary list -- will be affected. And the other teams, while carrying lower salaries, will be further hamstrung from competing with the big boys.

    I wouldn't be surprised if another labor stoppage occurs over this, as teams suddenly tighten their belts, and salaries immediately plummet.

    Remember the "irresponsible" $250m/10 year contract handed out to A-Rod in 2000? That would be $443m today with inflation, but wouldn't be a shocking contract to a player of A-Rod's caliber today. Recall there was a contraction of salaries as the 2000s wore on, before they rocketed back up again because of this TV money.

    Get ready for another day of salary reckoning, but far worse this time.

    This is going to be ugly, but the day was going to come eventually regardless. Even if Bally Sports (and AT&T Sportsnet?) didn't go belly up, the next contracts signed were going to be far less lucrative.

    It's amazing that these regional sports networks didn't see this coming. For example, even for a big market team like the Dodgers, how could Time Warner Cable really have believed that they could sell $2 million worth of ads PER REGULAR SEASON GAME for the next 25 years, as they were seeing general interest in cable TV rapidly declining? Now do the same exercise on a smaller (but still very large) scale for lesser teams than the Dodgers.

    Idiots. This was free money for MLB teams, and reality is finally setting in.

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    As always, fangraphs had a great write-up about this a bit ago, if you want more details of this.

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/diamond-...-revenue-boat/

     
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    Great article, Gut. Thx. Druff should read.

    While there’s definitely potential for short-term losses, and it’s always possible that sports broadcast rights are a long-term bubble, there’s not much indication of that being the case right now. The league added $115 million annually to their bottom line in deals with NBC and Apple in exchange for the exclusive rights to 100 games just last year. There’s clearly still an appetite for sports rights, and with Google recently scooping up NFL Sunday Ticket, another streaming goliath is now angling for games.
    I completely overlooked the pandemic.

    Rights are still bringing home the bacon. It’s just gonna be different, as was my hunch. The villain was financial engineering.

    Think Caesars Druff (There is a book about it now The Caesars Palace Coup: How a Billionaire Brawl Over the Famous Casino Exposed the Power and Greed of Wall Street). Shitty Caesars still turns a profit post bankruptcy and shenanigans. I digress

    Author indicates the leagues may take a stake. I imagined the leagues creating their own ESPN in my post.

    It’s all gonna be different going forward, for sure.

    The new rules and the playoff structure will kill baseball more quickly than demographics and finance. Almost meaningless summer games. A long exhibition. Too bad.

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    More regional sports network woes: https://news.yahoo.com/warner-bros-d...202310001.html


    The future of sports broadcasting will be streaming and on-demand or subscription viewing. It will not be networks which get $X per cable subscriber. Unfortunately, I don't believe the new format will be as lucrative for MLB as the old one, as the bean counters will want at least close to breakeven value out of it, and they're not gonna get it broadcasting Tuesday night Pirates games.

    If MLB wants to save itself for the long term, it needs to get into the 2020s, and develop side-by-side cable pay channels and pay-to-stream (even if by subscription) games regardless of market of the viewer. Then they need to promote it to the younger generation, and find a way to make the long games appealing to a generation with short attention spans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    More regional sports network woes: https://news.yahoo.com/warner-bros-d...202310001.html


    The future of sports broadcasting will be streaming and on-demand or subscription viewing. It will not be networks which get $X per cable subscriber. Unfortunately, I don't believe the new format will be as lucrative for MLB as the old one, as the bean counters will want at least close to breakeven value out of it, and they're not gonna get it broadcasting Tuesday night Pirates games.

    If MLB wants to save itself for the long term, it needs to get into the 2020s, and develop side-by-side cable pay channels and pay-to-stream (even if by subscription) games regardless of market of the viewer. Then they need to promote it to the younger generation, and find a way to make the long games appealing to a generation with short attention spans.
    I think its simple to reach the younger generation, at least the ones who might be interested. Like you mentioned, MLB just has to understand we live in an ADHD society, and baseball at its core is the WORST sport for that. Like that article mentions, if RSN's start dropping it might be a good thing long-term for MLB, get rid of annoying territorial blackouts and whatnot. Besides getting kids into baseball, that real target audience is 18-49, AKA people that don't have anywhere near the time to even watch HALF of a teams 162 games. I think I watched maybe 25 Twins games last year (all through pirated streams, of course).

    What I would incorporate into MLB dot tv that is not already there:

    - Full on-demand/dvr type choices for the persons favorite team to be able to watch when convenient. Also add speed edits of the games, cut out all dead time.
    - Partner with/incorporate your own fantasy aspects into viewing. Kind of ambitious but say you have your fantasy league through them, your roster is known on the app, if you're watching a game live and there is a highlight that just happened for one of your players a split-screen can show it. Something in that realm
    - Legal Gamblez in-game on the app?
    - In a similar way, but for states without legal wagering, incorporate some sort of "video game/collecting digital cards" into viewing. Basically take video game strategy for getting people to login on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    More regional sports network woes: https://news.yahoo.com/warner-bros-d...202310001.html


    The future of sports broadcasting will be streaming and on-demand or subscription viewing. It will not be networks which get $X per cable subscriber. Unfortunately, I don't believe the new format will be as lucrative for MLB as the old one, as the bean counters will want at least close to breakeven value out of it, and they're not gonna get it broadcasting Tuesday night Pirates games.

    If MLB wants to save itself for the long term, it needs to get into the 2020s, and develop side-by-side cable pay channels and pay-to-stream (even if by subscription) games regardless of market of the viewer. Then they need to promote it to the younger generation, and find a way to make the long games appealing to a generation with short attention spans.

    I think it’s almost too late for MLB.

    They basically lost an entire generation already. It’s big in the NE, SoCal, southern states like Georgia, and Chicago and St Louis. Not sure if kids like it there.

    Literally not a single star in the sport. Biggest star is Ohtani and he’s big in Japan. No endorsement money at all because they have no stars. No social media presence. 10 of the top 20 players are ESL. If I were to stop 25 guys who are 25 years old on the street and ask them to name 5 MLB players, I’d guess 3 could. Mike Trout could sit and eat in any restaurant in town and no one would recognize him under 50. Lonzo Ball couldn’t, and he’s not even a real star.

    The stupid local cable deals to keep the money flowing was a temporary fix that will no longer be an option. Their fans are dying off and solidly into fixed income territory. It has everything going against it from no streaming-no stars-incredibly slow-blackout the only team anyone cares to watch

    Even the young people I know who are fans would not keep cable for it, they don’t even watch as fans, just highlights, and many teams are locked into 20 year deals with blackouts. I would gladly pay $300/year for every Tribe game streamed and with replay options. My dad would. All my buddies would. You’d lose the $3 a month from everyone but the diehards would love to scrap cable, and MLB is the one sport that prevents it because of their horrible cable deals.

    Would do the same for NBA with no blackouts. Would pay $500 for all CFB games on demand with no ACC/BIG10/SEC network bullshit. Now I have two tvs on and my computer open for some ESPN+ game I have money on. Just give me one damn app with it all.

    Would pay $300 for NFL as sport sucks, but let the books stream any game I wager on and let them pay the NFL.

    Gambling is baseballs only hope. I’d go watch any teams game live, but I don’t watch a single game I don’t have $ on outside Tribe. I watched like 25 Dodgers game last year because I had the -1.5 when they were killing everyone. If not for gambling, I wouldn’t know who plays for who.

    All I want is individual sports packages with everything on demand and let the cable companies die forever. Make it super cheap for MLB package with a student ID or other incentives to cultivate younger crowd. Stream it to dorm rooms for basically free. Approach it like a new sport trying to break into the market, because MLB basically needs to treat getting younger fans like they’re the premier league. English fans have horrible viewing options in the UK where I could watch every premier league game for pennies here until the sport grew here now.

    You’re going to see an end to these huge cable deals with everything outside NFL and NCAA football. Everything else has ratings that are plummeting. Even the NBA, which seems healthy, is way down. It’s being buoyed by an influx of Euro and ROW fans.

    Baseball needs like a year long work stoppage or whatever it takes to get its finances under control. Or contract to about 10 teams. I love it, but it’s amazing to me how irrelevant it is to anyone not nearly as old as me. It survives entirely on the cable deals and that’s going belly up as they overpaid.

    Even then I don’t know if it can get kids as it’s ADD like gut said.

    I’ve gotten back into tennis lately. The Aussie got me betting it, and I realized I missed watching it. Golf outside the majors is hard if you aren’t betting it. I hate the what channel is is on shit constantly.

    I don’t turn on TV except for sports. Just give me fairly high-priced packages that have everything and replays and I’ll pay it. I’d pay $100 year for tennis/golf package if everything going was on it with replay and I didn’t have to search for it. You’re getting probably .50 a month out of me for Golf Channel now.

    Give me all major Euro League football leagues for $125. Right now you’re getting 4.99 a month on peacock for premier league when the season is going and then I cancel it.


    People are either sports freaks or not. I’d pay more to have it all on one streaming app with replay and no blackouts. Cable is going to be dead anyway soon. I would have an extra $2500 a year to divvy up among sports if you let me ditch cable completely and pay only for Wifi.

    Sportscenter was on everyone’s TV when I was in college. Would be surprised if it’s on in a single room now. YouTube highlights for a few.

    MLB better partner with whatever video game these kids are playing and give out clues or rewards or something after innings and hope some small % happen to watch the sportsball for a few moments and get hooked. All sports are in trouble, but MLB is easily the closest to extinction. I wouldn’t begin to know how to grab them. It’s a game your dad gets you into back before every kid was attached to a device 24/7. Now half of kids have no dads and something better to do. That’s all sports, but baseball is particularly challenging.

     
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    Gut & BCR are sympatico and you can add me.

    Just want to add kids don’t really watch ANY sport as we once did. NFL and NBA included. Years ago I learned it was red zone. The kids know their shit but it’s Red Zone.

    I don’t really know anyone who watches NBA except gamblers but kids share basketball clips with me. They are very much aware of stats and storylines via Social media.

    Sports are a vehicle for wagering at this point. BCR or Gut reminded me not all states are legalized. That does put a hitch in a national product that includes integrated odds/wagering and fantasy.

    The regular seasons especially NBA and MLB have no real point as sport. The games are meaningless. NBA is egregious in that you can’t count on the star to play on a particular night. If your sport is full on load management you need to look in the mirror. It’s an admission games don’t matter much now. Kobe, Bird and MJ never sat

    I wouldn’t watch MLB if I wasn’t betting. It’s less the pace than the lack of any meaning to any game. They fucked that league up but good.

    NHL is motherfucking crack. Love it. I’d watch it without money on it. The pace and intensity is singular.

    Tennis is growing. Wagering on tennis is growing too.

    Golf is video clips just like NFL and NBA.

    Nothing lasts forever.

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    The Padres broadcasts were taken over by MLB a few weeks ago.

    Now the Diamondbacks have had the same occur.

    Here's an ESPN article explaining it: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...sports-diamond

    Basically you can now watch the teams on local cable on different channels (check guide for listings), and also there are no more regional blackouts on the MLB app.

    And while Diamond (Bally Sports) has already paid most of their 2023 obligations, and MLB has promised to cover the rest, there is no such guarantee for 2024.

    The following teams are potentially in trouble, revenue-wise, for 2024: Detroit Tigers, Miami Marlins, Cleveland Guardians, Kansas City Royals, St. Louis Cardinals, Minnesota Twins, Cincinnati Reds, Los Angeles Angels, Atlanta Braves, Texas Rangers, Tampa Bay Rays and Milwaukee Brewers, San Diego Padres, Arizona Diamondbacks.

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    Rob Manfred is an idiot ... lols

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    Quote Originally Posted by sah_24 View Post
    Rob Manfred is an idiot ... lols
    Media and its delivery is changing. The world is changing. Baseball is a canary in the coal mine. They benefitted the most because of the relatively vast number of games (programs) compared to other sports.

    If Manfred was a genius he could have been proactive. Shocker… cable is dying. Who knew?

    I am reminded of the striking actors and writers. It’s a little bit of the same “delivery of content” transition issue and it’s resulting effects

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    Sanlmar bets 5 times a week on Dodgers.

    His legal wagering site should provide him Dodgers streaming, free of charge.

    Can some Euro confirm if that's how it's done across the pond for football? They were living in the future for legalized gambling (and the slew of shitty ads it brings) so perhaps they are 10 years ahead on this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Sanlmar bets 5 times a week on Dodgers.

    His legal wagering site should provide him Dodgers streaming, free of charge.

    Can some Euro confirm if that's how it's done across the pond for football? They were living in the future for legalized gambling (and the slew of shitty ads it brings) so perhaps they are 10 years ahead on this too.
    I swear I deleted the start of a text that said this…. you are correct imo

    Sportsbooks will stream free of charge. They already do to a great extent. I just hate the delay. I did not pay for NHL last year. Never felt I needed to buy another package. The experience was fine.

    The leagues clearly have no issue with this presently. Both parties benefit.

    Sportsbooks will purchase or share the broadcast rights

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    Comcast has pulled Bally Sports channels as of May 1, due to failing to reach a new contract: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ed-air-comcast


    This affects broadcasts of the Minnesota Twins, St. Louis Cardinals, Atlanta Braves, Detroit Tigers, Miami Marlins, Cleveland Guardians, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds, Anaheim "Los Angeles" Angels, Texas Rangers, Tampa Bay Rays and Milwaukee Brewers.

    Diamond Sports Group, who owns these channels, is presently in bankruptcy. They entered a 6-month agreement which expired May 1, 2024.

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