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    Sam Altman fired from OpenAI / ChatGPT

    Sam Altman has been fired.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023...of-openai.html

    Here's the company statement:

    The board of directors of OpenAI, Inc., the 501(c)(3) that acts as the overall governing body for all OpenAI activities, today announced that Sam Altman will depart as CEO and leave the board of directors. Mira Murati, the companyís chief technology officer, will serve as interim CEO, effective immediately.

    A member of OpenAIís leadership team for five years, Mira has played a critical role in OpenAIís evolution into a global AI leader. She brings a unique skill set, understanding of the companyís values, operations, and business, and already leads the companyís research, product, and safety functions. Given her long tenure and close engagement with all aspects of the company, including her experience in AI governance and policy, the board believes she is uniquely qualified for the role and anticipates a seamless transition while it conducts a formal search for a permanent CEO.

    Mr. Altmanís departure follows a deliberative review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities. The board no longer has confidence in his ability to continue leading OpenAI.

    In a statement, the board of directors said: ďOpenAI was deliberately structured to advance our mission: to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all humanity. The board remains fully committed to serving this mission. We are grateful for Samís many contributions to the founding and growth of OpenAI. At the same time, we believe new leadership is necessary as we move forward. As the leader of the companyís research, product, and safety functions, Mira is exceptionally qualified to step into the role of interim CEO. We have the utmost confidence in her ability to lead OpenAI during this transition period.Ē

    OpenAIís board of directors consists of OpenAI chief scientist Ilya Sutskever, independent directors Quora CEO Adam DíAngelo, technology entrepreneur Tasha McCauley, and Georgetown Center for Security and Emerging Technologyís Helen Toner.

    As a part of this transition, Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman of the board and will remain in his role at the company, reporting to the CEO.

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    Malcom Harris seems to believe Sam Altman has always been a fraud, and just kept spending other people's money until he lucked into paydirt:

    The more you can display this sort of anti-systemic verve, the smarter you seem to look, except now we see the sort of degeneration where you no longer have to even have the self-trained technical expertise.

    Elon Musk, I haven’t even researched that much, because I don’t even think he’s that interesting. But Sam Altman dropped out of Stanford when he was a sophomore because he thought that dropping out of Stanford as a sophomore sounded good for his first tech company. No one says that this guy is a top-level programmer who has invented anything except for a Foursquare competitor that got squashed. Otherwise, he’s been doling out other people’s money and some money that they let him use for a while despite him not doing anything successfully.

    But now he is one of those guys, right? He’s one of the top 20 tech oligarchs at this point in history, which is ridiculous. Whenever his face appears in anything, he’s got this look of a guy who told the king he’s going to turn the straw into gold by tomorrow. He doesn’t know how he’s gonna do it. He’s sitting at home hitting the Rumpelstiltskin button trying to figure out how he’s gonna get Microsoft their money back.
    https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/30/te...alcolm-harris/


    Harris said this on August 30, so it's not related to the firing.

    The Microsoft reference has to do with an investment Microsoft made into Openai.

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    Who's this Mira Murati? Sounds Japanese but it's not.
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    Some Albanian chick, often reffered to as the brains behind Chatgpt. Not to be sexist
    but i don't buy that for a second.

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    One thing I'd love to understand is how ChatGPT was abruptly so leaps and bounds ahead of all other predictive generation AI at the time.

    We abruptly went from fairly primitive AI engines which could not simulate human conversation or the human thought process well, to ChatGPT which was shockingly good at both. And it wasn't just conversational. It could write code, take tests, write essays, and give solutions to real-world problems posed to it.

    I always wondered how it was so far ahead of all other projects at the time, many of which were headed by very talented people.

    Prior to ChatGPT's release, I thought we were a good 20 years away from seeing something like it.

    ChatGPT does have its flaws -- most notably lying, fabricating information, and pretending to be sure about something when it's actually not. These are human flaws, but ChatGPT is a bigger liar than most humans I've known, and it's very bad for society to have an AI tool which decides on its own to give false information.

    I'm not even talking about programmed political/social biases.

    For example, as I stated earlier in the thread, ChatGPT cited two poker books I supposedly wrote. Not only didn't I write them, but the books themselves never existed, nor did any book with a similar title exist. It just made them up, and confidently claimed I wrote them. This is exactly what a pathological liar would do -- make up outright lies just for the sake of lying, with no utilitarian purpose. Scary stuff, to be honest.

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    and the reason why this is threadworthy is because no one is talking about why. there have been some official communications about sams lack of candor with the board or something.

    and whats starting to take shape, is that sam was basically the victim of a coup by a bunch of decel effective altruists who wanted everything to be 'safe' but genuinely had no idea what that would look like or how to obtain it.


    meanwhile sam was creating an american capitalist juggernaut.


    so they fucking did themselves a coup and probably torched about $80bn and americas best chance at maintaining technical authority in the AI sphere.


    a lot of heavy hitters in the investment circles are already keeping an eye out for sam's next move because if its anything like getting saudi VC and purchasing every A100 made, NVDA and MSFT are going to pancake and take down the rest of the tech sector like the top floors of the WTC towers.

     
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    heard the israeli was the snake in the grass

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    so i guess the investors have made their opinions on this known because...


    https://www.reuters.com/technology/o...ge-2023-11-18/
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    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    News alert: Never heard of him and nobody cares.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    News alert: Never heard of him and nobody cares.
    Oh plenty of people care Jayjami just because you havent heard of him doesnt mean hes irrelevant. Nobody knew who the hell Henry Ford was when he was starting to build this thing called a horseless carriage either. The War for AI is nothing to joke or sneeze at. If the Chinese CCP and their corporate cronies get the upper hand the world could be fucked for a century+ legiitimately.
    (only saving grace is potentially long term projections indicate Chinas population could crater to 3rd or 4th worldwide by 2100 as it could drop to 500M range while the US likely could surpass it with legal and yes illegal immigration continuning to expand we may see easily 400M in USA by 2040 if not sooner and India shows zero signs of a population collapse.)

     
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    Merged this with the topic I started Friday in the ChatGPT thread, and moved those posts into this one, which by default now makes it my thread, because that's how vBulletin does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    News alert: Never heard of him and nobody cares.
    At least as transformative as the internet was. Likely far more.

    We dodged the bullet career-wise but your kids lives will be transformed unless they are in the trades.

    If you gamble the stock market this segment has big time momo, fomo and homo’s

    If you are into the end of times, AI’s deflationary impact and it’s effect on our debt problem is a good follow.

    Be a good sport will you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    News alert: Never heard of him and nobody cares.
    He's like a typical used car salesman but since he's Jewish this a huge scandal and he's automatically the victim. If he was white it'd be chalked up to equity.

    You want to talk about a scandalous firing see Tucker Carlson. That Grossberg chick got him canned and banked $10 mil and never even met him irl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    News alert: Never heard of him and nobody cares.
    Oh plenty of people care Jayjami just because you havent heard of him doesnt mean hes irrelevant. Nobody knew who the hell Henry Ford was when he was starting to build this thing called a horseless carriage either. The War for AI is nothing to joke or sneeze at. If the Chinese CCP and their corporate cronies get the upper hand the world could be fucked for a century+ legiitimately.
    (only saving grace is potentially long term projections indicate Chinas population could crater to 3rd or 4th worldwide by 2100 as it could drop to 500M range while the US likely could surpass it with legal and yes illegal immigration continuning to expand we may see easily 400M in USA by 2040 if not sooner and India shows zero signs of a population collapse.)
    News flash: human beings have been fucking up the world since they came out of the trees. Itís not going to end well for us.

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    He played the uno reverse card.

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    altman to microsoft.


    msft market cap up 110bn before 8am.
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    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Supposedly a few hundred employees signed this, if it's not fake.

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    yeah i heard the same.

    the EA movement is really showing its ass out here.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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