Originally Posted by
desertrunner
Add- I think everyone should have a Roth IRA. You can contribute up to 7k a year and have to hold atleast 5 years, but then at age 59.5, you can start collecting dividends or payment TAX FREE. Its the last real tax shelter you have against the Dems.
The cognitive dissonance here is a sight to behold. Where to begin?
First off, for many college educated career oriented folks they make too much money to be allowed to contribute to a Roth IRA. So your premise is asinine Personally, while I find it annoying I consider it a proverbial “good problem”.
Second, for people who are actually considered high net worth or high income there are still plenty of “tax shelters” available to them both in terms of reducing annual taxes but especially for those that have a projected taxable estate. Being self-employed allows for several tax write offs as well as much higher employee retirement plan contribution limits. Think $66,000 instead of $7,000. There are also things like Donor-Advised-Funds and Family Foundations; the latter of which you can pay family members salaries from tax deductible donations/contributions. Grantor-Retained-Annuity-Trusts are still legal (for now) and are fantastic ways to pass assets outside of an estate tax free. So are closely held businesses that receive a lack of liquidity discount. 529s allow for a special five year lump sum contribution of the annual gift exclusion whereby a couple can contribute $170,000 to a grandchild’s 529 account thereby skipping two generations of potential estate taxes. And congress passed a law allowing for excess money to be contributed to the beneficiaries Roth IRA you’re so fond of down the road as well.
I could go on but let me stop there and address my third point to highlight where the cognitive dissonance lies.
You see people that are worried about democrats, liberals, congress, whomever taking away tax shelters make too much money to contribute to a Roth IRA in the first place. And for people such as yourself they’ve actually been given more tax breaks such as doubling the standard deduction amount.
There are plenty of reasons to legit worry about tax breaks going away as the estate tax exemption is set to sunset soon and things like GRATs and closely held business discounts going away have been on the table.
I think this thread should be retitled “investing for poors” and the Elon Tusk thread should remain as is.