Auto Industry Execs: EVs aren't working

[desertrunner]

...several auto execs pulled back on EV targets.

Dealers have been warning of slowing EV demand for months.

"This is a pretty brutal space," Mercedes-Benz's CFO said this week.

With signs of growing inventory and slowing sales, auto industry executives admitted this week that their ambitious electric vehicle plans are in jeopardy, at least in the near term.

Among the surprising hand-wringing is GM's Mary Barra, historically one of the automotive industry's most bullish CEOs on the future of electric vehicles. GM has been an early-mover in the electric car market, selling the Chevrolet Bolt for seven years and making bold claims about a fully electric future for the company long before their competitors got on board.

Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz, which is having to discount its EVs by several thousand dollars just to get them in customers' hands, isn't mincing words about the state of the EV market.

"This is a pretty brutal space," CFO Harald Wilhelm said on an analyst call. "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...1f5737d6&ei=47

[sah_24]

ICE vehicles are better in every form and fashion ... without gov't subsidies and commie politicians electric vehicles would not even exist

[desertrunner]

LOL, silly liberals...

Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half- https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news...lf/ar-AA1llJPq

[cleatus]

Exxon Mobil is proud to announce they will be mining lithium in the great state of Arkansas with Governess Huckabee Sanders's endorsement and bid for a cushy post Gov career.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/new...ll-in-arkansas

Exxon Mobil had a great 3rd quarter. Delivered the best-ever third-quarter global refinery throughput at 4.2 million barrels per day and will increase production in the Permian after buying Pioneer Natural Resources. Drill, drill, drill is baby talk.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/new...r-2023-results

ICE vehicles were fairly common around the late 1920's. One hundred years to refine a good idea. Today's ICE are really good and will get better, but they still catch fire.

Prius, 1st mass hybrid in US, December 2000. Tesla S around since 2012. Can ya find it in your hearts to give EV's some time for refinement.

Maybe you'd like to limit peoples right to pursue life, liberty and happiness by banning all EVs. If not, whats the point of these threads, nothing but a circle jerk in a house of mirrors. I hate evs, me too just more, ice=god, ev=satan.

What about human power?

[sonatine]

GrenadaRoger: oh, i guess Sont invested in EV auto stock


https://t.ly/bAtue

[desertrunner]

Ha ha...Go woke, go broke.

Hertz is selling 20,000 electric vehicles to buy gasoline cars instead

Hertz, which has made a big push into electric vehicles in recent years, has decided it's time to cut back. The company will sell off a third of its electric fleet, totaling roughly 20,000 vehicles, and use the money it brings to purchase more gasoline-powered vehicles.

Electric vehicles have been hurting Hertz's financials, executives have said, because, despite costing less to maintain, they have higher damage-repair costs and, also, higher depreciation.

[Dan Druff]

I have removed the shitposting from this thread.

Please refrain from trolling threads about serious topics. As you can see, people are legitimately interested in discussing this one.

My 2015 SUV (not an EV) is having a lot of issues. There was a flaw in the engine design which has been the subject of class action lawsuits, and has been a huge headache for me. It's also cost me a bunch of $$, and somehow the repairs agreed to by the class action settlement can't be done to my car, because it isn't "failing" the tests it's supposed to fail. Whole thing is such a cluserfuck and I'm actually getting close to just selling it at way-below-market value to a dealership, as I don't want to be a dick and stick any other individual with the problem.

Anyway, bottom line is that I'm looking for a new SUV and have considered buying an EV. This isn't for a woke "green" reason, but because there are some advantages to owning an EV, and they are likely the future. The biggest downside is the charging situation. If on a road trip, it's harder to find a charger than it is a gas station. Also, charging takes like 10-15 minutes, which is a lot longer than a stop at the gas station. I can imagine being tiled over both of these things and wishing I had a gasoline vehicle again.

I am hearing that the Teslas have blown away the other EVs, though, and any non-Tesla EV basically sucks. That would explain why Mercedes is lamenting its poor sales in the EV category.

As you can see by this 2012 forum software, 2001 radio software, and 2007 chat room, I'm not typically an early adopter of new tech. I tend to get used to what I like, and also want to know that anything new and "improved" is both stable and better than what I had before. But I feel Tesla might be close to there.

One other potential issue with a Tesla is the weird steering wheel (which I know you can buy a piece to make it more like a traditional wheel) and the counterintuitive regenerative braking system. Not sure I want to get used to all of that shit after 36 years of driving.

Unlike many libs who hate Elon and don't want to give him money, I mostly like him. While I haven't agreed with everything he's done with Twitter, I think he's far better than the previous regime, and it's great to see someone trying to bring (mostly) free speech back to social media.

Anyone here own a Tesla, especially a SUV?

[Tellafriend]

i've owned 3 lexus -- sedans and suv. i've never had a single problem with one of them. not one.

[desertrunner]

Druff- No way could I do an EV for the drive to Vegas from So Cal.

[Sanlmar]

i've owned 3 lexus -- sedans and suv. i've never had a single problem with one of them. not one.

Druff likely owns a domestic SUV.

The Lexus (Toyota) will routinely last 200k with gas and oil. Excellent build quality and some status.

The Tesla batteries are likely to degrade just like Todd’s iPhone 10 did. The build quality is shit. No status (that’s curiousity you witness) Depreciation will leave you breathless.

Elect the rental option on your insurance as you will be waiting FOREVER for your repair by the same Chevy dealership that services your SUV Todd.

Maybe the Socialist Republic of California is doing some great tax breaks. If you have to live there you might be tempted to get some satisfaction by joining the dole

[desertrunner]

Exxon Mobil is proud to announce they will be mining lithium in the great state of Arkansas with Governess Huckabee Sanders's endorsement and bid for a cushy post Gov career.

I think XOM is making a major mistake here and going in the wrong direction.

[Sanlmar]

Exxon Mobil is proud to announce they will be mining lithium in the great state of Arkansas with Governess Huckabee Sanders's endorsement and bid for a cushy post Gov career.

Did Arkansas enact a child labor minimum age exemption for lithium mining?

[Small_Banana]

Don't listen to the haters. Tesla's are very fun cars to drive. Very fast cars. Get the Model X and you can have them put a traditional steering wheel instead of the weird one. The regenerative braking is easy to get used to, it's like driving a golf cart.

Best place to charge on the way to Vegas is EddieWorld in Yermo. Buffalo Bill's in Primm also has high speed charging stations.

[Small_Banana]

Oh, I almost forgot you are a cheap Jew. Call your insurance company to see how much it is to insure one. It is very expensive.

[sonatine]

Oh, I almost forgot you are a cheap Jew. Call your insurance company to see how much it is to insure one. It is very expensive.

he's not cheap by choice.

[Dan Druff]

Oh, I almost forgot you are a cheap Jew. Call your insurance company to see how much it is to insure one. It is very expensive.

he's not cheap by choice.

Not sure if this is a Jew joke or an incorrect allegation that I’m going busto.

[Dan Druff]

Don't listen to the haters. Tesla's are very fun cars to drive. Very fast cars. Get the Model X and you can have them put a traditional steering wheel instead of the weird one. The regenerative braking is easy to get used to, it's like driving a golf cart.

Best place to charge on the way to Vegas is EddieWorld in Yermo. Buffalo Bill's in Primm also has high speed charging stations.

I did a radio segment partially about EddieWorld but have never stopped there.

I do like driving straight to Vegas with 0 stops sometimes, so a 15 minute stop at EddieWorld might bother me.

I have a family member with a Tesla SUV they don’t use that much, so maybe I will borrow it for like a week and see what I think of it.

Sanlmar, the SUV is a BMW. I’ve run generally well with BMWs as they age, but this SUV has been a huge pain due to the known engine issue. Sadly had I waited like 7 more months and bought a 2016, the problem would’ve been solved.

[Sanlmar]

Don't listen to the haters. Tesla's are very fun cars to drive. Very fast cars. Get the Model X and you can have them put a traditional steering wheel instead of the weird one. The regenerative braking is easy to get used to, it's like driving a golf cart.

Best place to charge on the way to Vegas is EddieWorld in Yermo. Buffalo Bill's in Primm also has high speed charging stations.

I did a radio segment partially about EddieWorld but have never stopped there.

I do like driving straight to Vegas with 0 stops sometimes, so a 15 minute stop at EddieWorld might bother me.

I have a family member with a Tesla SUV they don’t use that much, so maybe I will borrow it for like a week and see what I think of it.

Sanlmar, the SUV is a BMW. I’ve run generally well with BMWs as they age, but this SUV has been a huge pain due to the known engine issue. Sadly had I waited like 7 more months and bought a 2016, the problem would’ve been solved.

Gonna be interested in your review.

The difference in luxury especially. The spartan Tesla interior and the absence of any discrete switches.

You claimed you perceived EV advantages but never mentioned what one might be.

[Dan Druff]

I did a radio segment partially about EddieWorld but have never stopped there.

I do like driving straight to Vegas with 0 stops sometimes, so a 15 minute stop at EddieWorld might bother me.

I have a family member with a Tesla SUV they don’t use that much, so maybe I will borrow it for like a week and see what I think of it.

Sanlmar, the SUV is a BMW. I’ve run generally well with BMWs as they age, but this SUV has been a huge pain due to the known engine issue. Sadly had I waited like 7 more months and bought a 2016, the problem would’ve been solved.

Gonna be interested in your review.

The difference in luxury especially. The spartan Tesla interior and the absence of any discrete switches.

You claimed you perceived EV advantages but never mentioned what one might be.

Maintenance is less hassle and less expensive. Fewer parts, no oil or spark plug changes, no timing belt replacements, and the type of engine-related bullshit like I'm going through now won't happen.

Acceleration is better. They run quieter.

Charging at home every night means you don't have the hassle of going out during the day and noticing you have to get gas first.

You also save money on gas, as the cost to charge isn't as high as it is to fill up a normal car's tank.


The downsides seem to be an industry which is still somewhat immature, lesser range, longer times to "fill up" when on the road, lesser availability of charging stations compared to gas stations, and counterintuitive differences with driving (at least with Tesla).

I have to think in 30 years people will be looking at gas vehicles the way we currently look at those big, boxy TVs of the 20th century.

The question is whether 2024 is the proper year to go the EV way, or if I should hold off until they become more of the standard, and a lot of the kinks worked out.

[splitthis]

Telly is right, Toyota is best, 300k is life.

Neighbor has Tesla. NOTHING BUT EXPENSIVE PROBLEMS.

I don’t think your personality can handle worrying about where the next charge station is.

Go with Lexus.