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    Lol


    Tell me you know absolutely nothing about the way the sports betting industry works without telling me you know nothing about how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftpjesus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    China is a good sportsbettor and they've been banning him from a ton of books.

    This is kind of bullshit when you think about it, because they are basically only accepting losers or people who barely break even. These giant books shouldn't be doing such a thing. It's more understandable when the neighborhood bookie can't afford to have you keep beating him. Large, regulated books should not be allowed to ban winners. I can understand not taking huge action from known winners, but to ban them or cut them down to almost zero limits, that's a load of crap.

    China is trying to circumvent this. I have no problem with that. As Sanlmar said, he's not cheating. He's placing sportsbets legitimately and just getting around the dumb bans they keep putting on him for not being a fish.
    Allow me to play devils advocate here Druff which was my point in this whole thing and try not to claim hypocrisy generally but at the same time point out the fact those ok with this are in fact a little hypocritical. I¬’m going to ask a few questions.

    1. As somebody who supports a company¬’s right to make decisions on who they do or don¬’t do business with (say a baker who opposes gay marriage). Should not a business have the right to refuse to do business with somebody they believe is bad for business and their bottom line.
    It¬’s no different then casinos (outside of NJ obviously who can¬’t do to regulations) back off card counters legally and refuse action

    2. While I¬’m not suggesting China would do so at all by using other peoples accounts to bet it does somewhat seem a bit unethical and similarly to the card counter who wears a disguise to re enter a casino he was backed off of to continue play. Additionally it creates a massive tax mess as legit online books such as DK, MGM, etc are going to potentially file W2-Gs with incorrect social security numbers and people could end up with tax bills for amounts they shouldn¬’t owe not to mention China would be essentially committing tax evasion and arguably identity fraud (even with the other parties knowledge and permission) it¬’s no different then some illegal alien using somebody¬’s SSN here to work which we all knows happens.

    Just some food for thought was my point and the real life potential issues he¬’s creating not to mention some people indeed wouldn¬’t view it any different then somebody having multiple accounts on a poker site to play while not using them at the same time still amounts to a TOS violation at minimum but could still run legally afoul of regulators.


    Holy fucking shit.

    Did you hurt yourself jumping to these concussions?

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    Do you have a link to the podcast where you discuss your gambling journey? I would love to listen to it.

    I found your post very interesting. I know a thing or two about homer bets pal, my strategy is to bet the Rays every single game.

    I will be glad to buy a copy of your book when it came out.

    I have personally never been interested in player props, but it does seem the elite sports bettors on this site focus on them.

    I would rate Dan Druff as the best sides and total player

    Do you watch the games you bet on?

    It was very interesting to me when you posted about being a gambler and getting a mortgage etc not something I have spent much time thinking about but that seems like a challenge for most gamblers. I guess many try to buy in cash?

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    Here ya go Nickey

    Chinamaniac's Turn It and Burn It - 03/04/2013

    http://pokerfraudalert.com/radio/rad...4-20-01-02.mp3

     
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    Your welcome. China loved a band called the Grateful Dead. He was a big Phish guy too. I’d lay -210 I’m right.

    You should see me on trivia night at the old watering hole, pal. Some kind of autism happening fr

    6 minute lead in was a very Dead thing. It’s a long story

    If you provide a basic book report I will gift you with a link to what most authorities consider to be Druff’s single best interview of his PFA era. If you only knew Druff in his prime. Druff knows precisely which one I’m thinking of. I’d lay -550 on that.

    It will speak directly to your love of business shenanigans.

     
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    Looking forward to China's next "The Zone Blitz" podcast...

     
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    Look pal Iím listening while watching the panthers game. Rays won no sweat

    Itís interesting to hear the beginning ďAsk DruffĒ poker advice forum

    I do not see Druff talk about playing poker much. Does he play for a living still? I am undertaking the impression yes

    Itís also interesting to hear talk about watching Druffs cash games online

    When I was in college we watched Isildur

     
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    Tellafriend: what will you lay me pal.


    I just realized Druff’s greatest interview will be under appreciated by my young friend Nickey. The events and frankly poker itself were all before his time.

    Isildur marked the final throes of the poker boom. Imagine peaking at 19 like Blom.

    Nickey has an old man’s appreciation for shady politics and business so I trust he will put in the work.

    This is China’s moment though. Due time Tellafriend

     
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      NickyPipes: I was also very happy about the Panthers pal, what a run. Expected it last year not this

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    Tellafriend: payment processors

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickyPipes View Post

    Do you watch the games you bet on?
    Waste of time and energy for the most part. I watch sports I like when I have time, and if I have bets on them I sweat them. I will make bets on games I attend just for fun.

    If your a math guy which I am when it comes to sports the work is done before the game. Watching it will not change any outcome

     
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      NickyPipes: I’m not a math guy pal, I can’t even do basic math.

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    Obviously this thread is retarded.

    Lots of reputable people on twitter that crush sports looking for outs they can throw in their auto bettors.

    This has nothing to do with multi-accounting; it's about beating the bookie-in-the-boxes which are typically some of the most horrible people you can deal with in gambling.

    Mickey mouse shoemakers dressing up as bookies, pretending they are the smartest people in the room.

    Anyone beating them should be protected, saluted, praised and cherished.

    Fuck a bookie.

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    Very interesting podcast. Youíre naturally talented on the radio and itís an interesting story. I have listened to over 2 hours so far.

    I imagine you like doing it if you are writing a book, but if you told your story on video and uploaded them to YouTube divided into shorter sections like chapters, i think it could become popular. Iím not sure if your goal is for a lot of people to hear your story or just the fun of doing it though. I am just saying pal, I am interested in this sort of content and happen across all kinds of random accounts like this on YouTube and itís interesting to see.

    Itís been a while since Iíve heard anybody talk about poker like that. With some real passion, discussing details that I donít hear discussed anymore. Perhaps Iím not looking, I donít even know where to look. The main poker stories I hear nowadays are Dan Druff causing controversy on twitter by sharing his opinions. Those are usually interesting stories donít get me wrong here

    Anyways it almost made me want to fire up some online poker. Grind some MTTs. I used to also play the $26+2 on full tilt religiously when I was in college.

    Itís just very interesting to hear the perspective of somebody who gambles for a living. Druff is quiet as a mouse about his currently gambling profession. Is the guy grinding poker? I donít understand if heís a poker player anymore or not

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    To answer Nicky Pipes, yes I still play poker a lot.

    The sportsbetting is just for fun.

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    You have earned another free game Pipes.

    I have been shamelessly ball-gargling Druff’s interview for a decade. I will listen to it this evening over a scotch and feel the warmth of the fraud wash over me on another chilly New England night. I haven’t listened in years. I deserve a treat.

    I vote you, Pipes, more than anyone here to follow in Chad’s footsteps. Elie married a Playboy model cause he was the original Chad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Payment processors.

    Dan Druff does a Radio Show once a week. Usually Tuesdays at 6:30pst. Usually... That's another story.

    Last night he did one and I saw Chad Elie in the "chat room". The real Chad Elie? Who knows.

    The best radio show Druff ever did in my opinion was his interview with the real Chad Elie - PokerStars Full Tilt processor for a time.

    2 hours of Chad Elie's life story

    Epic shit - especially cause it happened for real.

    Gave me an education into the smarmy world of payment processing. Since then I have read almost everything I can on the subject just cause it is so damn entertaining with the millions made, lost & stolen. Rags-to-riches-to-rags stuff.

    Here it is:
    http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...lie-11-23-2012

    I have never looked at that Deposit button the same way since.

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