View Poll Results: Should desertrunner be allowed BACK on PFA?

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  • Yes, and his account should have zero restrictions

    23 54.76%
  • Yes, but restrict him to relatively few posts per day

    6 14.29%
  • No, keep him banned!

    10 23.81%
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    Druff has a splendid record with managing the abject lunatics he attracts (and recruits, in this case).

    None of these decisions have ever had any real life impact for him, and proves what a great poker room manager he would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Druff has a splendid record with managing the abject lunatics he attracts (and recruits, in this case).

    None of these decisions have ever had any real life impact for him, and proves what a great poker room manager he would be.
    This was the first issue with anyone I knew personally.

    The others were mostly carryovers from NWP/DD, and I tried to give them as many chances as possible.

    This is inevitable when you have a forum known to have more lax rules than others in the community. This is an unfortunate side effect of running a forum like this, as it's more likely to attract crazies. Everyone else running these forums just has strict rules and banhammers those who step out of line. That's never what PFA ever was or will be.

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    The sooner you unban him, the sooner we can get this abortion started.

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    Voted no.

    Definitely in the top 7 of worst all time posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Voted no.

    Definitely in the top 7 of worst all time posters.

    i mean hes not really a poster. hes basically an elderly retarded child without a helmet, who thinks flinging his shit around the room is the funniest thing anyone has ever done.

    seconds after druff unbans him, hes going to start calling people pedophiles and groomers (again) and get dogpiled over being an absolutely catastrophic life loser (again) and then druff is going to flip out and ban people for making his friend sad (again).

    and then hes going to be like why is everyone so mean to me i run this place at a loss and i had to go to the ER because i went blind with rage because of it and then he will capitulate and tell desertrunner to stop calling people pedos and groomers and he wont and in another year he can start another elon style thread designed to mathematically split any outcome he doesnt want so he can rinse wash repeat.

    so, again,

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Voted no.

    Definitely in the top 7 of worst all time posters.


    Would be a good list. Encourage you to give it a go.

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    re: this vote, what controls are in place to prevent vote stuffing by dupe accounts?



    (i see conspiracies everywhere these days)




    and oh yeah, i vote yes.
    (long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
    Voted no.

    Definitely in the top 7 of worst all time posters.


    Would be a good list. Encourage you to give it a go.
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    Whoops did not mean to post but have fat fingers. Since I am posting, bring him back if the laughs outweigh the annoyance??

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    I suggest we let Drexel back if he apologizes to Larry Laffer. Kick in our man from Oslo as a bonus

    Then we can address desertrunner

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    If I do unban him, I am going to be operating with a much shorter leash this time.

    We've already been there, done that.

    If things can be different, great. If they can't, I can reban him and return to the status quo. This is low risk, because I know desertrunner and know that he's not going to flip out and harass in real life, unlike some others I have banned after giving them additional chances here. We already went through this in 2021. I banned him, we agreed to disagree about the situation, and we moved on and talked about other things.

    If he does come back, I do hope that people don't just pointlessly troll him in order to enflame the situation again. If he posts objectionable things, by all means speak up, but I'd like to ask that you don't just troll him for the sake of trolling, or otherwise this will turn into a fiasco all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    If I do unban him, I am going to be operating with a much shorter leash this time.

    We've already been there, done that.

    If things can be different, great. If they can't, I can reban him and return to the status quo. This is low risk, because I know desertrunner and know that he's not going to flip out and harass in real life, unlike some others I have banned after giving them additional chances here. We already went through this in 2021. I banned him, we agreed to disagree about the situation, and we moved on and talked about other things.

    If he does come back, I do hope that people don't just pointlessly troll him in order to enflame the situation again. If he posts objectionable things, by all means speak up, but I'd like to ask that you don't just troll him for the sake of trolling, or otherwise this will turn into a fiasco all over again.

    80% of this site is pointless trolling tho....



    in any case you deserve to do things that make you happy, regardless of polls.
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    Regarding the poll:

    It will not ultimately decide my action, but it will inform my decision, as I have mixed feelings about what to do here.

    This is similar to how I encourage people to tell me what segments they do and don't like on radio. As I always say on radio, I don't promise that I will program the show according to your personal likes and dislikes, but it will contribute to my assessment of what is working and what isn't.

    If there is overwhelming support for bringing him BACK, I probably will. If there is overwhelming opposition, I probably won't. If it's somewhere in the middle, I'll make the decision based upon both commentary in this thread, my personal assessment, and the vote totals.

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    If he does come back, these will be the terms -- similar to the ones I stated in April 2021. He did not keep to these, so I banned him. However, if he's brought back, the terms will be along the same lines as back then.

    1) No more than one new thread per day

    2) No calling members pedos or groomers

    3) No accusing people of attacking you due to them being "liberal". If you wish to answer their criticism and rebut what they say, that's fine, but no "You're just attacking me because you're a liberal" posts.

    4) No bumping any old threads unless something really relevant and important has happened

    5) No posting of memes

    6) Don't attack every single person who criticizes you, or otherwise it becomes a situation where most of PFA becomes you fighting with all of the regulars here.


    If I decide to bring him back, and he agrees to these 6 terms, then his account will be reactivated. But I haven't decided yet.

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    Oh, it all comes back now. The guy was obsessed with pedophilia as much as he was flashlights. The flashlights were just a spectrum obsession but pedophilia was not gonna be tolerated.

    I’m done with this desertrunner thing. This site is your hobby and you should do what you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Oh, it all comes back now. The guy was obsessed with pedophilia as much as he was flashlights. The flashlights were just a spectrum obsession but pedophilia was not gonna be tolerated.

    I’m done with this desertrunner thing. This site is your hobby and you should do what you like.
    To be fair, Walter was trolling him very persistently, and doing a lot of shitposting himself. Calling Walter a pedo (with no basis to accuse him of such) was just his way of clapping back. I kept telling desertrunner to quit the pedo stuff, and I also asked Walter to tone down hassling him in every thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    If he does come back, these will be the terms -- similar to the ones I stated in April 2021. He did not keep to these, so I banned him. However, if he's brought back, the terms will be along the same lines as back then.

    1) No more than one new thread per day

    2) No calling members pedos or groomers

    3) No accusing people of attacking you due to them being "liberal". If you wish to answer their criticism and rebut what they say, that's fine, but no "You're just attacking me because you're a liberal" posts.

    4) No bumping any old threads unless something really relevant and important has happened

    5) No posting of memes

    6) Don't attack every single person who criticizes you, or otherwise it becomes a situation where most of PFA becomes you fighting with all of the regulars here.


    If I decide to bring him back, and he agrees to these 6 terms, then his account will be reactivated. But I haven't decided yet.
    No man with an ounce of self respect could be spoken to like this and actually agree to comply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    If he does come back, these will be the terms -- similar to the ones I stated in April 2021. He did not keep to these, so I banned him. However, if he's brought back, the terms will be along the same lines as back then.

    1) No more than one new thread per day

    2) No calling members pedos or groomers

    3) No accusing people of attacking you due to them being "liberal". If you wish to answer their criticism and rebut what they say, that's fine, but no "You're just attacking me because you're a liberal" posts.

    4) No bumping any old threads unless something really relevant and important has happened

    5) No posting of memes

    6) Don't attack every single person who criticizes you, or otherwise it becomes a situation where most of PFA becomes you fighting with all of the regulars here.


    If I decide to bring him back, and he agrees to these 6 terms, then his account will be reactivated. But I haven't decided yet.
    No man with an ounce of self respect could be spoken to like this and actually agree to comply.
    This only came about after the above were all repeated issues. I didn't just pull these out of my ass, as you well know.

    This was kind of a middle ground to where he could continue to post here, while not engaging in behavior which was irritating a lot of the forum. A lot of this was done with innocent intentions at first (such as the meme posting and thread bumping), but it happened so often that it became annoying to the userbase.

    If you recall, there was no issue with him for awhile, and in fact he had a popular thread involving the flashlights. It was when he overdid a lot of the above when we had problems, and some of it was from not understanding PFA culture, whereas some of this stuff is commonplace on social media sites like Facebook.

    Anyway I will announce my decision soon.

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    Yes bring back Desert Runner!

    I bet at least 50% of the old members are gone now.
    Druff please verify.

    The Radio show is the main reason I am here.

    Keep up the great work Druff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    It is funny that 75% of the respondents want him unbanned (with 58% voting to have no restrictions), yet I am getting snide remarks in this thread, regarding considering this.

    The main reason desertrunner was noticed was because he was posting an insane number of times, including creating numerous threads. Some people assumed at the time (and still think) that this was an intentional act of ruining the forum. It wasn't. He really thought that he was bringing good material here. The truth was that some of the stuff he was posting (such as links to news articles) was interesting, but it was just too much. For example, you guys have seen that I will post links to news stories and then give my own take, but I am careful to select what I think the forum will enjoy, and I don't overdo it. desertrunner didn't have that filter, partially due to lack of familiarity here.

    Then he was being repeatedly insulted by both legitimate critics and trolls, and the whole thing went off the rails.

    I won't defend all of his behavior. I was very annoyed when he wouldn't listen to my requests to stop overposting, and to stop certain other behavior which was just worsening the situation. That's why I banned him, despite our personal friendship. Everyone needs to respect the forum and its operation, even friends. However, it still wasn't malicious -- it was just a lack of self-control at the time.

    I felt that it might be time to give him another try because:

    1) Most of the people he fought with most vigorously are gone anyway

    2) There are a few right-wing troll types active on the forum, and nobody is particularly troubled by them (and I'm not talking about dwai, who has become beloved by most people here)

    3) He has expressed a desire to come back

    4) He has told me that he will take care this time to not cause problems

    5) On Vegascasinotalk, he did not engage in the type of behavior he did on PFA, and therefore I haven't received a single complaint about him

    6) This won't turn into another Sixtoedpete because I know him personally, and he's not like that at all. After 12 years, I think I can say I know the guy pretty well.


    Right now I'm strongly leaning YES.
    Fraud...check
    loser with loser friend...check
    fat and ugly hypocrite...check
    weakest link in the evolutionary chain....check
    knows a lot about poker....check

    This sad little forum has never been sadder. Everyone has bailed, long ago.

    If you're going to bring back a mouth breathing
    helmet wearing bus rider you might as well
    throw the cards in the air and allow Marty to inject some life. He might very well refuse to pahticipate

    But you are afraid of that and much more.

    Carry on
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