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    On the original stream (find link in simpdog's post on page 1), go to 2:29:30

    Ryusuke has trip 8s with a K kicker, Rip has trip 8s with a 5 kicker. After checked around on the turn, Ryusuke bets $4k, Rip calls $4k. Robbi has 92 for middle pair, no kicker. Board is A9886. Flop was rainbow. This is a 1000% fold. There is almost no chance she can beat BOTH players here. Instead, she also calls $4k.

    Now, yes, this was after the aforementioned controversial hand (and she had just won a ton of money), but it's hard to believe a cheater (or even a good player who isn't cheating) would make this call. You don't need to see the cards to realize you're fucked here.

    My point is that this hand is one which seems to demonstrate she just doesn't understand basic holdem concepts well, and in fact makes it more likely she DIDN'T cheat. Note that overcalling is a common mistake by novices, as they very much underrate how strong their hand has to be when there's a bet/call ahead of them on the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post


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    When the hand was over did the floor immediately take the deck off the felt to examine for marking or RFID problems?

    Does anyone know how liberal the law is for criminal theft?

    It appears she was threatened, the standard is probably more personal than you think.

    A large man would not feel threatened a little old lady might.

    She also may have been higher than a kite during the game.

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    Why does a person like Garrett appear 50 times of more on HCL?

    I trust itís not the only game in town. What benefits does the show provide him?

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    Are we sure this is the guy we want to trust to investigate this. Seems like a mistake.

    https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/orange/pro...518/complaints

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Why does a person like Garrett appear 50 times of more on HCL?

    I trust it’s not the only game in town. What benefits does the show provide him?
    Incredible benefit San. Playing nose bleed stakes in the softest lineups possible. Garrett is the only true pro in these games a lot of the time. Andy was in Taiwan for a lot of the last year but he is really the only other pro who gets a regular invite. Ryan Feldman will openly admit that pros are not getting in these games for the most part. He spoke about it on his interview on the Nick Vertucci podcast. He is up millions of dollars in the last few years on LATB & Hustler.

    The show doesn’t need to do anything extra for him. Plus the show can now do huge numbers without him. When Hustler first started getting Garrett was very important. But now Hustler’s brand is so strong that it really isn’t as mutually beneficial a relationship anymore. They are really doing Garrett a favor by setting him up in these lineups.

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    There is a lot in here but Robbiís lawyer husband comes on about 1:38:40. He comes in hot. You should always go with your first read. I thought initially there was almost no chance of cheating and I will admit the witch hunt yesterday had be doubting that a bit. But I am back to where I started.

    This doesnít look good for Garrett. Also just an awful spot for Ryan & Nick. They donít just own HLC, they are good friends with Garrett. If she didnít cheat, Garrett really put them in an awful situation.

    Anyways Iím sure there is a lot more in this stream.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Why does a person like Garrett appear 50 times of more on HCL?

    I trust it’s not the only game in town. What benefits does the show provide him?
    Incredible benefit San. Playing nose bleed stakes in the softest lineups possible. Garrett is the only true pro in these games a lot of the time. Andy was in Taiwan for a lot of the last year but he is really the only other pro who gets a regular invite. Ryan Feldman will openly admit that pros are not getting in these games for the most part. He spoke about it on his interview on the Nick Vertucci podcast. He is up millions of dollars in the last few years on LATB & Hustler.

    The show doesn’t need to do anything extra for him. Plus the show can now do huge numbers without him. When Hustler first started getting Garrett was very important. But now Hustler’s brand is so strong that it really isn’t as mutually beneficial a relationship anymore. They are really doing Garrett a favor by setting him up in these lineups.
    Great answer. I learned something

    So Garrett has risked a very profitable and a bit unusual regular invite over relatively short money.

    He may become the anti hero but in these woke times that’s not a good bet either. As a causal I’m obv less interested in seeing him than Robbi going forward.

    Someone indicated he took some time off to attend to mental health. He can play that card I suppose but he seems a simple guy to me. Good at poker but not a life genius. I don’t watch this stuff - my take is prolly consistent with the public which is all that matters to the show. Garrett f’d himself up here.

    The more this thing ages the more your initial analysis rings true with me.
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    I think Robbi has a very infantile rudimentary sense of what poker is. Like what you get when youíre young or from the movies. That ďitís not about the cards itís about reading your opponentĒ. Well it is a lot about your cards, especially when you call all in and are going to showdown.

    She also takes things personally & reacts emotionally. Like ďGarrett is picking on me because heís constantly 3 betting meĒ. Well he is kinda, but itís not personal. He knows the high stakes scene & that she is new to it. So of course heís going to isolate her & try to make her feel uncomfortable.

    This hand basically shows how uncomfortable and irrational Garrett can make someone who really doesnít know what they are doing. This whole ďLetís play heads upĒ nonsense is also from being immature or having a skewed movie-esque way of looking at poker.

    She didnít even realize the gravity of what she was because accused of. Or even what giving him that money back could symbolize. She knows poker lingo, but has no clue how to formulate it coherently. A lot of these big game pros need to try and empathize & put themselves in the shoes of a total novice.

    I think what also happened here is it is hard to believe that someone playing stakes this high could be so below average on even the basic concepts of poker. Well welcome to 2022.

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    Serious question:

    It has now come out that Rip (Jacob) was staking Robbi in that game. I've heard anywhere from 50% to buying her into the game with a 50% interest in her profits.

    I'm pretty sure that Rip was sitting 2 seats to Garrett's right, and Robbi was sitting across the table.

    Would you consider it to be cheating if Rip gave a signal (like a wink, nod or cowboy hat tip) to Robbi to indicate to her that she should call the all-in shove? I'm not even suggesting that Rip knew what Garrett's specific hand was, though that is certainly possible too.

    Given the financial and possible personal link between Rip and Robbi, I can easily see a scenario where Rip gave Robbi the "wink wink" saying its ok to call. But is this cheating?

    Also strange is Robbi agreeing to pay back Garrett without checking with her backer Rip. No way I would ever agree to repay, let alone do so without consulting the person sitting right there who owns a percentage of the funds.

    Here's a similar hand between Rip and Xuan Liu on HCL just a week ago, with Rip making a similarly strange call and with Robbi sitting right next to him

    1 hour 48 mark

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    The threatened litigation by a competent lawyer may make this story bigger than Postlegate.

    If Hustler didn't sequester the cards from the hand I wonder if they are guilty of destroying evidence.

    It boils down to a $250,00 theft if there was cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turdzilla View Post
    The threatened litigation by a competent lawyer may make this story bigger than Postlegate.

    If Hustler didn't sequester the cards from the hand I wonder if they are guilty of destroying evidence.

    It boils down to a $250,00 theft if there was cheating.

    California Code, Penal Code - PEN ß 337v

    It is unlawful for any person at a gambling establishment to use, or to possess with the intent to use, any device to assist in any of the following:

    (a) In projecting the outcome of the gambling game.

    (b) In keeping track of the cards played.

    (c) In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the gambling game.

    (d) In analyzing the strategy for playing or wagering to be used in the gambling game, except as permitted by the California Gambling Control Commission or a tribal gaming agency.


    *****I don’t see any exception for poker/game not against the house. Maybe a lawyer can clarify. If the investigation is going to be as thorough as Vertucci says, then the consequences could be enormous. It would seem a competent attorney is not going to have his wife go on a livestream with a device on her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeD View Post
    Serious question:
    It has now come out that Rip (Jacob) was staking Robbi in that game. I've heard anywhere from 50% to buying her into the game with a 50% interest in her profits.

    I'm pretty sure that Rip was sitting 2 seats to Garrett's right, and Robbi was sitting across the table.

    Would you consider it to be cheating if Rip gave a signal (like a wink, nod or cowboy hat tip) to Robbi to indicate to her that she should call the all-in shove? I'm not even suggesting that Rip knew what Garrett's specific hand was, though that is certainly possible too.

    Given the financial and possible personal link between Rip and Robbi, I can easily see a scenario where Rip gave Robbi the "wink wink" saying its ok to call. But is this cheating?
    Joe I think it would be “cheating”. But far less severe than using a device. The device is like Tiger Woods level cheating and RIP winking would be like getting a happy ending massage type cheating. It would also make a big difference if he saw Garrett’s hand and signaled her or if he just felt she should call. But either way far less severe than a device.

    I will say I’m very surprised Feldman gave the last seat to RIP. This was definitely the 8th and final seat and it was coveted. Hard to second guess Feldman, but I’m surprised he granted Robbi basically a +1 invite into this game. I would of liked to see someone more deserving in that seat. I’m not second guessing either, that’s how I felt when I saw the lineup released.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Lots of activity tonight. I couldn't do the show because a cold I had on Saturday (which delayed my archiving of the last radio show) somehow strengthened again today, after being almost gone yesterday. Not sure how that happened, but whatever. I have a persistent cough and am fairly low energy right now, so I can't do the show at the moment. Hopefully I can tonight (Saturday).

    Robbi's husband, Charles Lew, came onto Chicago Joey's show and spoke for awhile. The guy was actually fairly likable, and raised some good points. However, he repeated several times that it's too late for apologies, and strongly implied that he's going to be suing Garrett, and perhaps also Hustler Casino Live. He stopped short of implying that he would do a Mike Postle style lawsuit against people on social media who made allegations. It especially seems like he wants a pound of flesh from Garrett.

    Charles Lew is a "boutique attorney" specializing in crypto. I have not researched him, but others I know have, and they tell me he's worth a lot of money. So he definitely has the resources to launch a lawsuit against Garrett and/or HCL, but this also might just be blowing smoke in order to get Garrett to return the $135k and retract his statements.

    Charles also seems to be taking major issue with people calling his wife "dumb", and he repeated this several times when on Joey's show. He seems particularly miffed at Doug Polk for both referring to Robbi as dumb AND for spreading the rumor that she's having an affair with her friend Rip/Jacob, who also was in the game, and whom she later confirmed is "staking her 50%". Charles said that he is not aware of any affair, and "am not a willing participant in any open relationship". But that's a weird way to phrase it, right? Couldn't he simply say that he's certain that Robbi and Rip are just friends?

    He claimed that he got the bill for the Fendi sunglasses she was wearing (meaning they're not cheating sunglasses), that her ring is a piece of jewelry he bought her (and therefore is not some kind of signaling device), and that her pants were far too tight to conceal any kind of device to vibrate when she has the best hand.

    He repeatedly stated that Robbi was "sequestered" by Ryan Feldman, and told to go into the hallway with Garrett, at which point Garrett allegedly told her that "millions of people will be seeing this", in order to scare her into giving the money back.

    Charles was also angry that Nick Vertucci said that something big/interesting would be coming out today, and he said that implied something would be released showing Robbi's guilt. I said the same thing when I heard it -- that anything "big" coming out would have to be negative against her, as there's no way something big could come out so fast which would prove she WASN'T cheating. He claimed he threatened Hustler that there will be legal consequences if they make such a "big news" statement again, unless "there really is big news".

    Right afterwards, HCL co-owner came onto Joey's show right after Charles, and said he spoke to him "4 times" today. He said he originally tried to get Charles to mediate between him and Robbi, who supposedly was texting him "aggressively". Nick claimed he and Charles had good conversations, and was surprised to hear Charles make these legal threats against HCL. He also took Charles to task for complaining that HCL didn't ask Robbi to give up her stuff for them to examine. Nick said that HCL didn't do this because they didn't want to look accusatory, and claimed that Charles agreed with that decision earlier today. Good points on Nick's part. He also said he's not going to respond to Robbi's texts anymore.

    I still want to know if HCL took that deck and examined it. If not, why? Huge omission in the investigation if they don't do that.
    This confirms my earlier suspicion that One of them Ryan or Nick, essentially bullied Robbi regarding the money and giving it back to Garrett. This is now turning into a good cop (Nick) Bad cop (Ryan) situation it would seem and it wont end well because now what if Nick feels like Ryan did something he shouldnt have in dealing with this. Where does it leave the HCL/High Stakes Poker production company. This is the kinda of crap that can kill a partnership and lets not forget Ryan already got the short end of the stick with The Bike. This might seriously tarnish his image if hes involved in something that breaks HCL as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Why does a person like Garrett appear 50 times of more on HCL?

    I trust itís not the only game in town. What benefits does the show provide him?
    Hmm lets put the pieces together... No Live at the Bike still runs often directly in competiton with HCL. Ryan Feldman used to be involved with LATB. Given the situation that occurred and it now appears Feldman was the one who potentially started the shakedown of Robbi and its likely Ryan has a friendship with Garrett directly from their time at LATB ya might be able to see where this is going.. .Some guys like Andy Stacks play on both shows still so it could be a case of they play where they feel the action is at or if its a game theyd rather play on a given night but its also possible theres some deals being made involving HCL such as no rake or rebates etc to get folks to play. Who knows but my guess is this is tied to some loyalty issues..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowRoll View Post
    Are we sure this is the guy we want to trust to investigate this. Seems like a mistake.

    https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/orange/pro...518/complaints
    Beat me to it. Yeah Nicks past is a wee bit fucking shady to say the least and Ill leave it at that.. Just google Nick Vertucci scammer or similiar and well yeah it shows alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Rip/Jacob admitted that he has a buddy "Luis who works for HCL", whom he spoke to about the matter after it occurred.

    So now this confirms that Rip (who staked Robbi) has a buddy for works for Hustler Casino Live! Uh oh!

    Of course, he says this very matter of factly like it doesn't matter. That would actually indicate innocence. If Rip really had a guy on the inside helping him, would he openly state he has a buddy working on the show, while on a highly viewed show like Joey's? Probably not.

    BTW, he claimed that there is no romantic/sexual relationship between him and Robbi, and that he has a wife with a newborn baby.
    Apologize for any redundancy in my earlier posts. Druff posted so much so fast last night it basically filled up page 4 of the thread and I missed all this shit. This makes sense now why RIP was in the game. I had surmised the only way he would get in would be if Robbi was able to get Feldman to do it. I just couldnít get how he could get such a coveted seat even if Robbi asked. Now with this other connection it makes more sense. Great posts Druff.

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