Dan Cates (Jungle man) was on Joey’s pod as well. He bought a piece of Beanz in a tournament some time ago. He said he assumed at the time he was a professional player. Later Beanz ask him for an 8k loan which Jungle provided. He said it took a long time to get paid back, but he eventually did pay all the money. I though for sure he only paid it back because he got the huge PPP loan, but he ended up saying he paid it back at the end of 2021 which doesn’t line up with PPP money.
Ryan was rambling nonsense almost to the level of Robbi.
I am surprised you find him credible.
All of these people involved in HCL seem to lie quite often.
Nick is doing everything he can to control the fallout that he knows is coming.
The guy is a scummy salesman, not some brilliant businessman.
He targeted the elderly and veterans for his real estate "seminars" because he knew they were the most vulnerable demographics to his sales tactics. He's all talk, no substance. Nothing he says stands up to any type of pushback - he gives the "I can't discuss that" response. He's waiting for his problems to be "fixed", as in, he's going to threaten anyone who questions his "investigation".
Ryan is clearly in damage control mode also, being coached by Nick.
As was "RaverPoker" - if you haven't listened to that guy's interview with Joey, please do so. Nick didn't prep him enough for the interview/scrutiny and the guy completely fell apart.
Hard to believe Jungleman is that naive.Originally Posted by PositiveVariance
Wasn't he credibly accused of sending a hit man after someone who owed him money from poker? Hasn't he been in the high stake community his whole adult life?
Yea... I'm going to say Jungleman probably knew the type of character Beanz was and whatever arrangement they had was beneficial to both parties.
I don't think Ryan sounded credible at all.
I do agree that Ryan was babbling a lot of nonsense for over an hour at the end of the Podcast. As far as Ryan responding to the Reddit post, I did find his answers credible. One of the previous co-owners of LATB that had “beef” with Ryan was watching the Podcast. He text Ryan during the Podcast and told him he would vouch for his story if Joey wanted him on. This is a guy that Ryan assumes he wasn’t on good terms with. I will try to find the time stamp. Hopefully Joey gets him on and he can tell the story and see if it matches what Ryan is saying.
The only real accusation is that Ryan possibly had this LudaChris guy in the game to cheat. There really isn’t any evidence of this, just a theory since they were roommates. I think we have to take Ryan’s word unless there is evidence to prove there was something going on.
The clip at the bottom tells me a lot about Ryan’s character. In this clip he was owed 10k from Armenian Mike. He didn’t demand that Mike pay up. Yes, he eventually did get the money because Garrett stepped in, but how he responded to it gives me the impression that he isn’t a cheater and is a solid guy.
I honestly don’t think he is a guy that is used to being put in a situation like this and having to defend himself. I think Nick told him it would be a good idea to go on Joey’s pod and defend himself. I don’t think Ryan was comfortable with it. This combined with him not typically being in that situation, I could definitely see where people may see him as not being credible. I think he is a guy that has never had to defend himself against these type of allegations before since in my opinion he lives a straight shooter life style. Nick on the other hand, I can not say that about lol.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 10-19-2022 at 02:27 PM.
With Garretts behavior he may have toasted any chances he has now for any high stakes poker for a long time. He's literally throwing around accusations of cheating right and left like a baby having a tantrum. Notice he doesnt mention who thinks theyve been cheated etc just "others". Not saying hes outright lying but hes already come across as a whiny bitch douchebag soyboy and now hes just as they say in the Movie Tropic Thunder "gone full retard". I certainly wouldnt want him in any high stakes game I was running with him acting like this.
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Did that include the newest stuff because there was MORE posted on Reddit very recently about Ryan at LATB including the fact Luda Chris was his roommate and some other stuff. Not sure if anybodyelse has seen the @ThePokerKaren twitter account (and somebody was dumb enough to blame Chainsaw for it actually). Theres some pretty juice stuff on there the last couple days and such and yeah its clearly somebody who knows some insider crap on LATB and HCL.
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This is my point of view:
As we all know anyone on the internet can anonymously post anything about anyone they want. These Reddit claims shouldn’t even be addressed unless either:
1) There is a name and face behind the claim/poster.
Or
2) There is sufficient evidence that the serious claim may be factual.
This is what we have:
An anonymous person claiming Ryan Feldman took a deck of cards home while he was at LATB.
So the person either needs to provide their name or show us evidence or GTFO. It’s as simple as that. Anything less than that we shouldn’t even entertain or provide them a platform.
Now that we know this person that likely posted the Reddit thread may be a disgruntled ex co-owner of LATB we definitely need to take that into consideration.
To me Ryan’s story seemed creditable when he addressed the allegations from the Reddit post. Yes, lots of rambling after that point, but that’s a separate issue. For those that do not agree that he came across as credible, can you provide any details as to why you may not believe what he had to say?
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 10-19-2022 at 04:06 PM.
A radio listener sent me a copy of a lawsuit filed against Nick Vertucci in 2014.
As you might have guessed, it was about his 2010s Real Estate seminars, which have renewed controversy since the whole Hustler Casino Live incidents came up in late September.
However, this wasn't a lawsuit from a dissatisfied seminar customer. Instead, it was from a similar company, alleging that Nick stole their materials to make his own course!
Attached to this post is a copy of the lawsuit. The plaintiff was "Armando Montelongo Seminars", and this was filed in March 2014.
I'm not sure what the result was of this lawsuit. I'm trying to find out.Defendants [Vertucci] entered into a vendor agreement with Plaintiff [Montelongo] . . . whereby Defendants would provide real estate training services on behalf of Plaintiff's companies to Plaintiff's customers using Plaintiff's teaching materials, methods, and other proprietary information owned by Plaintiff. This business relationship began in 2010, and continued until September 2013.
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On or about September 11, 2013, Defendants ceased working with Plaintiff. Defendant's vendor agreement and working relationship with Plantiff was termianted due to Defendant, Nick Vertucci's repeated inappropraite relationships with various "clients" of Plaintiff. Shortly thereafter, Defendant, Nick Vertucci, began operating a seminar business . . . in direct competition with Plaintiff's business.
I was told that there was a settlement right before trial regarding the above lawsuit, but terms were never made public.
Nick is a major scumbag. I'm surprised there are still so many name poker players acting like he did nothing wrong. Dude is a major scammer and seems to only be called out when he is fighting with someone like Berkey or Conrad. Then they empty the clip and call him a big real estate scammer. IMO they shouldn't only be using that when there is some type of disagreement. Everyone knows how shady AF Vertucci is, should not be getting passes from the poker community at this point.
And it's obvious Ryan Feldman ain't no saint either.
I had said prior to this incident, in another thread on this forum that Nick should NOT be playing on HCL since he is an owner. I personally believe that this is the primary reason Nick wanted to own a live stream. He obviously has made more money in the past year playing on stream than he has made as an owner.
Don’t quote me, but I believe Ryan has played on 3 streams at HCL. Ryan is a good player. Any DECENT player can print money in these soft games at HCL. In my opinion if Ryan was a scumbag or even remotely questionably unethical, or have the slightest bit of shadiness in him, he WOULD be playing on stream. Especially seeing that overall people don’t have an issue with Nick playing. He has the bankroll for it, even if he didn’t he could sell a piece or all of him with plenty of backers. If Nick could be up $600k, Ryan would do very well. Ryan said Pro’s are always trying to get into these games. They are VERY soft, that’s how they get Hellmuth, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan and others.
I think it’s safe to say, playing 60 to 70 times per year would be worth an EASY $500k in Expected Value to Ryan. Averaging 65 streams this is just under $7700 per stream. So by not playing, he is costing himself at least a half million per year, just to separate himself from any improprieties. Giving up 500k and people still question him.
What else could be the reason? They need someone to commentate? At the most that would cost them $500 per stream. Wouldn’t be surprised if guys like Bart do it for free in exchange to promote his poker stuff on the live stream.
If Ryan wanted to he could get a piece of whomever he wanted in the game. If they denied don’t invite them back. He stated at Hustler he has never taken a dime from anyone to get in a game or any cash from someone after a game. Between not playing and giving up a potential 500k, plus not “charging for a seat”, he would be giving up at least 1 million per year, all of this for his reputation to show he is an honest guy. What else do people want?
He could easy average $1,000 per player to “charge” for people to play. Pros would easily pay $5k to play in a super high stakes game. Easily 10k or more for the twitch/Youtubers game with Mr. Beast ect.
Anyway, I would bet behind the scenes, the fact that Nick is playing on stream is an issue between the 2.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 10-19-2022 at 05:55 PM.
"18 years in law enforcement" - Nick Vertucci
This is part of his sales pitch to gain trust. He was a reserve cop which means just driving around and eating donuts. He's a cop so no way this real estate venture is a scam. He's a cop so security at HCL is top notch.
https://twitter.com/JJ4DPoker/status/1582638549576216576
I am not familiar with this JJ De La Garza guy, but apparently he is/was a Live at the Bike commentator. I will say that some people in the replies to this tweet were saying that they've seen JJ "do bad things" and that he would "do anything to make an extra buck". I don't know if these are just trolls or enemies of his, but suffice to say there's a few people in that thread who seem to feel like you can't trust anything JJ says.
Will be interesting to read, regardless.
The reserve cops in Phx pretty much are directing traffic downtown during Suns and Dbacks games for the most part. Whats funny is now they have guys who are patched as Police Aides who actually have more authority for the most part (they handle non criminal stuff like writing accident reports and such for minor incidents).
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I would love to know what Level of reserve Nick was.The reserve cops in Phx pretty much are directing traffic downtown during Suns and Dbacks games for the most part. Whats funny is now they have guys who are patched as Police Aides who actually have more authority for the most part (they handle non criminal stuff like writing accident reports and such for minor incidents).
The reason I would like to know this is because In California there are 3 different levels of Reserve Police officers. Levels 1,2, and 3. All 3 levels look Exactly like any other uniformed officer. Badge, gun, and the entire works. The public can’t tell the difference between a level 3 reserve and a 20 year full time veteran.
So why do I bring this up?
This is something that absolutely shocks people when I tell them this. Like any other states, officers have to go through months long training. However, a Level 3 reserve only has to take a 144 hour course. Yes, 18 days and you are on the street with a badge and a gun. As a level 3 you must work with a level 1 officer. Level 1 is a more reasonable 730 hours of training. Generally you are assigned to large crowd events, enforcing general laws. Drunks fighting, ect. Usually not a lot of code 3 blowing red lights at 80 mph stuff.
Yeah, so I would love to know if Nick was a Level 3 reserve for the LA Sheriffs Dept, just to get a badge and gun. I could totally see Nick working the County fair on horseback controlling the drunks and fights lol.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 10-19-2022 at 10:17 PM.
I believe he was a reserve in Chicago.
As a result of this hand
1. Garrett has disappeared from poker.
2. NVs life as a con artist being exposed.
Who took the worst of it?
Ancillary - providing necessary support to the primary activities or operation of an organization, institution, industry, or system.
"the development of ancillary services to support its products"
also subordinate. Obviously written by Robbies husband, I still have no idea what it means. Heard it on the broadcast. Could it refer to the guys doing the stream?
Somehow this got missed somewhere along the way with the HCL issue. Id saw it at the time and didnt think much of it but now has me wondering if this is related or not to this whole fiasco. Probably not but the timing is odd that he just up and quit playing on HCL and possibly quit playing poker as well although Im wondering if hes just going to play as a rec occasionally or something..
https://twitter.com/JRPlaysPoker/status/1578682273909526529
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https://twitter.com/JRPlaysPoker/status/1578682277822726146
https://twitter.com/JRPlaysPoker/status/1578682279232434177
https://twitter.com/JRPlaysPoker/status/1578682280561680384
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