Maybe because Hustler was not the victim of the theft, it wasn't taken from the cage.Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Theoretically, only Robbi would know if he was not given permission to take them.
Maybe because Hustler was not the victim of the theft, it wasn't taken from the cage.
Theoretically, only Robbi would know if he was not given permission to take them.
This just came to my attention yesterday. One thing I'm fantastic at is shuffling chips. Kind of weird because I’ve never been handy and had botched carpel tunnel surgery on both hands. I think anyone who shuffles chips knows roughly at least the size of the stack you are shuffling. Enough to know if you just randomly added two chips. Honestly, at most times you know the precise amount of chips you are shuffling. If you have an odd number that also sticks out.
If this video is not edited in some weird way Andy 100% stole these chips from Mike X. Clearly he has done the move before. It’s not unusual to shuffle the highest denom chips because they have the least amount of wear. Mike X was not a good mark. He buys in for even numbers and stacks his chips perfectly. It would be normal for him to know exactly how many chocolates he would have. He doesn’t buyin for huge numbers.
Andy surely has done this in private and non streamed games. I really really feel this was 100% no accident. I put it in this thread because it’s just more shadiness that’s coming out of this stream. This is pretty cut and dry to me. Anyone does this to my stack and I see the footage…no way I’m giving them a pass. This is super disappointing. Nothing is going to come of it. But I know he did it.
BTW anyone who wants to say “Andy is super rich” and why would he do this for 10K. Well, remember the absolute debacle that ensued when he loaned that chick on LATB 16K. Money’s money. Never know someone’s financial situation. Also, rich people can be cleptos too. Look at Winona Ryder.
Last edited by JeffDime; 12-17-2022 at 10:32 AM.
Thanks for posting JD.
Initially when I first watched it, I thought it for sure looked like it was intentional. However, I watched the actual taking of the chips from the very beginning in super SLOW speed (.25). From the very start of the video if you watch Andy’s eyes, they are straight ahead. Once he has a Stack of his chips in his hand he placed them down on the table and then proceeds to “cut the stack in half” (eyes are still straight ahead). He cuts the stack in half with his left hand, as he goes to slide his two stacks together to form one stack again, his left pinky finger slides over the top of Mikes two 5k chips. I think this is very important, as he realized his “chip shuffle” wasn’t done correctly (so he thought) as his pinky shouldn’t have slid across any chips during the combining of the 2 half stacks. At this point is the first time he looks anywhere near the direction of Mike’s chips. He looks down where his finger touched the two 5k chips, knowing something was wrong in the process and he sees the two 5k chips and then stacks his pile on top of the 2 chips believing he was sloppy and didn’t push the chips together correctly.
It does look like he “thinks” for a split second about the two 5k chips. This can benefit both accidental arguments as well as intentional arguments.
After watching in slow motion it looks to me to be an accident. However, if this is something Andy has practiced at home and has gotten very, very good at, it’s possible it could be something intentional.
I think the video before this one starts, would also tell us a lot. I would like to see where Andy’s eyes were at prior to the start of this video to see if he looked in the direction of Mike’s chips.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-17-2022 at 03:48 PM.
@PV I got alot of respect for you so I’m going to give this another look. I will say you shuffle from the base upwards. So if you lose chips while shuffling it will be obvious and come off the top. I can say for sure that Andy at a minimum should have inquired about those 2 chocolate chips, given the proximity to Mike X’s stack. If Mike X doesn’t bring this up, very likely those chips are never returned.
So Andy was wrong to a certain extent regardless of intent. But I’ll take another look. It looks so unnatural to me. It really does look like a move. This is getting completely buried because Mike X is a great guy and giving Andy the benefit of the doubt. But I would love to know what Mike really thinks when he sees the footage. But that’s never going to happen. But you can bet your ass he won’t be leaving chocolates in that area anymore.
I never liked those arguments where someone says "he is rich, he wouldn't do that" or "the casino has the edge and they would never cheat" because then that would be the best reason to cheat and steal because nobody would expect it.
I believe this was accidental. Unlikely he tries to snag the only 2 $5000 chips that Mike X has. If he had a loose pile of them in front, then it would make sense to snag a couple. Easy to remember when you only got 2, you might miscount if you got a bunch of them.
As soon as Mike realized he may be missing two 5k chips he’s looking around for a bit. At that point in time Andy should have spoken up, and said “I was shuffling my 5k’s right here, it’s possible I may have grabbed yours by mistake”.
Andy basically let Mike keep looking for the missing chips. He should have told him right there what happen, then told floor to go to the camera to sort it out.
Andy has always come across as a solid person to me, but since these guys are on camera, it’s hard to say what is real with their personality/character and what is not.
With taking someone’s chips, it’s basically a “free roll”, there are basically no consequences if caught. If caught, “Oh I’m sorry - it was an accident”. This situation is the perfect example, can’t say 100% one way or the other.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-17-2022 at 05:58 PM.
We’re talking two chips not just one. Both chips are clearly much closer to Mike’s stack than Andy’s stack. They are procured by Andy in some kind of strange movement, that seems to be done in a very suave manner. There’s no doubt that he must of felt these extra two chips coming into his hand. He knew he was adding to his shuffle. He didn’t say “Hey Mike these chips belong to your or me?”.
It doesn’t pass the smell test to me. I think he was confident enough in the manner in which he procured the chips that he had plausible deniability if Mike noticed. Right now I’m thinking he’s essentially freerolling Mike into both realizing the chips are missing and speaking up about it. That’s where I’m at now. I got to be honest…it’s all just too convenient for Andy for me.
These chips are simply not in a common area. They are in Mike’s stack. Even if they could be considered to be in the common area between the stacks, Andy has to inquire with Mike.
Last edited by JeffDime; 12-17-2022 at 06:10 PM.
Someone in replies said he did it with another player.
I was watching a YouTube vlogger who travels the world and he says people's behavior changes when they see him holding a camera. They are much nicer knowing the camera is recording. So maybe what we see of these guys on the poker streams is not a real reflection of their true personalities.
So there is no punishment, but if this was a civil trial I would find it is “More likely than not” that Andy did this purposely. You don’t take chips that far from your stack. You would 100% notice adding two chips to your shuffle. He has been conspicuously absent from the stream, even for last week big games.
I believe he posted that he played the WPT so he was not in Taiwan. His mannerisms seem very nervous to me. Bottom line is those chips were not in the common area. He had no business touching them, let alone taking them. The second his hand he felt those two chips in his shuffle, the normal reaction would be to apologize to Mike X & sort it out. Asking for the cameras means zip & pip. He knew he was going to get the benefit of the doubt. This shit doesn’t happen. The chip shuffling is not a method of vacuuming up chips.
I would find Andy liable and sentence him to 0K in compensatory damages b/c Mike X got the chocolates back. Punitive damages he would have to wax that Ferrari the Jenny Savage Chick bought for her boyfriend & forgive her 16K debt. That should straighten him out going forward.
Mike X has moved his chocolates by the way. Last night sitting next to Torelli. My guy Mike ain’t letting no one fuck with his chocolates anymore.
Talked about these two topics on the show this week.
https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...r-I-Mean-Ma-am!
0:52:26 mark: Hustler Casino Live investigation
5:07:28 mark: Andy Stacks chip grab
Garrett is trying to win back the support of the poker community. He has no intention of paying that money back to Robbi. I think he should.
https://twitter.com/GmanPoker/status/1613347326256447489
Played with Robbi tonight. Talked to her and she was aware of PFA, but hadn't read or listened to it.
I might be assisting her with a situation with an online site she claims ripped her off. Stay tuned.
seems odd that her metaverse lawyer husband, who was so anxious to pursue legal action against garrett, isn't taking care of this for her...
good luck getting a story from her that is based in reality.
may god have mercy on your soul.
Garrett really boxed himself in by donating the 135 K to charity. I don’t know if he pledged it over time or actually gave the whole amount. Even if you are extremely rich, 135K is a lot to donate. I guess he did it to diffuse the pressure on him to return the money. To be fair, I think that it worked to a certain extent. If he had not given the money to charity I think there would be much more pressure on him to return it. I don’t think that it should be that way, but it has seemed to work somewhat.
Garrett is smart enough to know that this is going to have to be dealt with eventually. Even if he is 100% still that he was cheated, he really needs to return this money. When Hustler came out with their findings they made it clear Garrett was welcomed back and said nothing about Robbi. Partly siding with him probably for a multitude of reasons (including loyalty/friendship), but also they know that he can’t just sit and play with this money still not be returned. In turn how can Robbi (who was not totally exonerated) play in game being owed this money from it? Garrett has to fix this and the sooner the better.
I’m sure Garrett wishes he could change many things if he went back in time. The charity thing was an unforced error for sure.
Andy’s absence on the show continues since the whole Mike X situation. I think more people know how unlikely that whole chip shuffling incident could of been an accident than are willing to publicly admit. This long absence seems very suspiciously aligned with the incident.
By “more people” I mean anyone who has ever shuffled chips in their life.
Andy absolutely tried to steal those chips it seemed so obvious when I watched it and I barely play any live poker, I couldn't believe how many people were defending him saying it was an accident as Andy is about as professional as they come at the poker table so he def knew what he was doing his lying & excuses made him sound like a sociopath
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Someone in the YouTube comments said he got caught stealing from Art Papazyan on a different stream. And then there was that time the dealer gave Andy $500 of Robbi's money. Berkey caught it and tweeted it out.Andy absolutely tried to steal those chips it seemed so obvious when I watched it and I barely play any live poker, I couldn't believe how many people were defending him saying it was an accident as Andy is about as professional as they come at the poker table so he def knew what he was doing his lying & excuses made him sound like a sociopath
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https://twitter.com/DallasPoker214/status/1614750573345095682
These were the texts Robbi sent.
So it looks like she's going forward with suing Garrett. Not sure what her legal standing will be here, but it will be interesting.
I think Robbi knows that tugging on Garrett’s heart strings (Congratulating him and his wife on their child) may be the only real chance she has to collect.
I absolutely think Garrett should pay Robbi, however I do not think he will, since in HIS eyes he will be surrendering.
From a legal standpoint, I can’t think of a legitimate argument Robbi would have. I’m sure she will claim she was “Coerced” into paying him. One big problem for Robbi is that she has repeated the Story many times about what was said when “Garrett pulled her to the side”. She didn’t seem forced. From what I recall (most likely after she spoke to attorney husband) the words “Dark Hallway” were then added to the description.
To be honest, I think Garrett’s pride means more to him than his reputation. I could see Garrett spending 200k to save $135k. I think it’s possible he spends every dollar needed to litigate it to death. Ultimately, if he spends more than $135k in legal fees, but doesn’t have to pay Robbi anything, in HIS eyes, he “won”. He can then say, see guys, “I was right”.
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