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    Quote Originally Posted by turdzilla View Post
    Why wasn't the Stones report made public?

    I thought the plaintiff's attorney read it.

    Why no FOIA erequest?
    Simple answer on the FOIA. It doesn’t apply to private entities only to the Government

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    There are a lot of cool, really skilled poker players who are women. I root for many all the time. Robbi is not one of them. I’m sorry, but just like her play the other night, her spouting off on Twitter on her great reading skills and play is an embarrassment. Giving the money to Garrett is an embarrassment. Threatening frivolous litigation to shut people up is absurd. The more she talks, the worse she looks to me. I’ve luckboxed my way into a few big scores over the years in horse betting and video poker but I’ve never been disillusioned enough to pretend to people whom I don’t know that I’m some kind of expert or skilled in wagering.


    I enjoy watching streamed poker. I hope I’m wrong but we may look back at this as the point when streamed poker finally jumped the shark.

    And yes Garrett takes a big hit here too.

    If they’re all smart, they privately resolve this asap and move on.

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    the pot is already big, she is bullied again by Garrett - it was simply a desperate call ("aggressive call" / brainfart call / emotional call)

    she forgot (for a moment?) if you call, your hand has to be better than the bluffers hand (if you bet or raise in poker, you have a second way of winning, everybody knows it)
    Winner of the $555 freeroll

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    Druff, why don't you ask Curtis Houston what he thinks happened?

    Curtis now resides between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, serving as executive producer of LIVE at the BIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by turdzilla View Post
    Druff, why don't you ask Curtis Houston what he thinks happened?

    Curtis now resides between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, serving as executive producer of LIVE at the BIKE
    Joey had Curtis Houston on during his Day 2 investigation. Curtis mostly talked about many different ways the games could be cheated ect. Without any evidence, like most he couldn’t say one way or another until more comes out on the situation.

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    I would like to propose two nominations for the prestigious ADY (Arrogant Douchebag of the Year) award.

    Up first:
    I am Doug Polk, International Superstar Poker Pro and Expert (ISPPE).
    She did not play the hand the way I (as an ISPPE) would have played it.
    Therefore she is either a cheater or "dumb, dumb, dumb".

    Up next:
    Garrett Adelstein for the following behavior.
    Robbi (for whatever reason) handed Garrett a rack with $130K (or whatever) in it.
    Garrett said you're short, I want $5K more.
    Robbi was forced to walk back out and get a 5K chip off the table for Garrett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turdzilla View Post
    Druff, why don't you ask Curtis Houston what he thinks happened?

    Curtis now resides between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, serving as executive producer of LIVE at the BIKE
    You just answered your own question. These two streams hate each other. Live at the Bike (and presumably, by extension, Houston Curtis) especially hates HCL because HCL is winning the battle for ratings (by a wide margin), and HCL is being run by their former employee whom they fired.

    So of course, it's to Houston Curtis' benefit to push a "she cheated" narrative.

    Furthermore, as Houston Curtis was once a card mechanic and cheat himself, he's far more likely to come down on the "she cheated" side anyway, because it's easier to picture others doing what you used to do yourself.

    I thought Houston was a very interesting interview on PFA Radio, and I'm glad I had him on. However, I don't think he's a good one to consult here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeD View Post
    There are a lot of cool, really skilled poker players who are women. I root for many all the time. Robbi is not one of them. I’m sorry, but just like her play the other night, her spouting off on Twitter on her great reading skills and play is an embarrassment. Giving the money to Garrett is an embarrassment. Threatening frivolous litigation to shut people up is absurd. The more she talks, the worse she looks to me. I’ve luckboxed my way into a few big scores over the years in horse betting and video poker but I’ve never been disillusioned enough to pretend to people whom I don’t know that I’m some kind of expert or skilled in wagering.


    I enjoy watching streamed poker. I hope I’m wrong but we may look back at this as the point when streamed poker finally jumped the shark.

    And yes Garrett takes a big hit here too.

    If they’re all smart, they privately resolve this asap and move on.

    It disappoints me how many experienced players are simply dismissing the fact that Garrett took that money from her. Even if Garrett was 100% sure she cheated, you simply don't do that. That's really awful, and it establishes a terrible precedent. The fact that a muscular, intimidating looking guy did it to a woman is even worse (and I'm not one who usually brings gender into it). Even if you are on the side that Robbi cheated, Garrett taking the money was still awful.

    I agree with you that she sucks at poker, and is obnoxiously arrogant about her game. I think that's what tilted Garrett so much. He felt like he was being cheated AND talked down to. I understand why this enraged him, but when you're a well known pro who is printing money from these streams, you just take it and move on. If he really suspected cheating, he should have asked Hustler to escrow the money pending an investigation.

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    Bad player got confused in a big moment, either misread her hand or made a terrible decision or both.

    No way she cheated. nothing in prior history suggests otherwise.

    Listen to her talk. C'mon...

     
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    I feel the community is being collectively stupid om this one, save for a small percentage of people.

    Contrast this with the way the community handled the AP/UB, Full Tilt, and Postle situations, where I was impressed how smart and well-reasoned most people were.

    This whole thing is an embarrassment. So many guesses and speculation being stated as fact. I'm still open to the idea that cheating took place in that hand, and am not entirely in the "she didn't cheat" camp, but the evidence I've seen is what I'd consider of the "weak circumstantial" variety.

    And some of the people on her side seem to be there for the wrong reasons. I'm seeing a lot of nonsense like, "Garrett just couldn't take being beaten by a girl", which isn't likely to be the case at all. Garrett has lost big pots to girls before on the stream, and didn't make a scene. The only place her gender comes into it is from the hallway confrontation where he asked for the money back, but as I said, that part isn't even getting enough attention.

     
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      Sanlmar: 99% on the money. An obvious point everyone has missed so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    It disappoints me how many experienced players are simply dismissing the fact that Garrett took that money from her. Even if Garrett was 100% sure she cheated, you simply don't do that. That's really awful, and it establishes a terrible precedent. The fact that a muscular, intimidating looking guy did it to a woman is even worse (and I'm not one who usually brings gender into it). Even if you are on the side that Robbi cheated, Garrett taking the money was still awful.

    I agree with you that she sucks at poker, and is obnoxiously arrogant about her game. I think that's what tilted Garrett so much. He felt like he was being cheated AND talked down to. I understand why this enraged him, but when you're a well known pro who is printing money from these streams, you just take it and move on. If he really suspected cheating, he should have asked Hustler to escrow the money pending an investigation.
    He’s not establishing any precedent - he’s jeopardizing his poker reputation and future

    He’s a cautionary tale and a teaching moment.

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    I should bring up Poker Bunny here.

    Why?

    Poker Bunny is a far more talented player than Robbi, from what I've seen. However, she and Robbi have something in common, and I don't just meant their tight, revealing outfits. They both were attempting to study advanced strategy in order to be able to compete in these games. Furthermore, they both weren't quiet ready for advanced strategy, as both lacked mastery of the basic fundamentals of NL holdem, which are an essential prerequisite before you apply advanced strategy.

    Poker Bunny was the stereotypical "fancy play syndrome" player, often using highly advanced concepts to make unorthodox plays, while not stopping to think about if they violated common sense. This is why you saw Poker Bunny spew badly at times, yet play well at other times. Poker Bunny does not act or speak like someone you would assume is intelligent, but she actually is. She put a LOT of time into studying to become a better player. However, she still lost money on these streams, and much of it was her fault. So how did that happen? As I said, she was too obsessed with applying fancy plays rather than just reasoning out fairly basic spots.

    Robbi has been getting coaching from Faraz Jaka, who is himself a player who successfully applies such advanced strategy. However, when he teaches this to someone like Robbi, she feels that she "gets it" and then wants to apply it at the table. Even worse, she 's especially prone to wanting to outplay men whom she thinks are attempting to push her around because she's a girl. This leads to a lot of stupid play, in addition to the fact that she just doesn't understand NL Holdem that well yet.

    Anyway, I think that's what happened here. She thought Garrett was pushing her around on a draw-heavy board, saw that she had the Jc in her hand, figured he couldn't have Jc8c or QcJc for that reason, and decided there was a good enough chance she was ahead to both raise him and then call a shove. Dumb play, but not cheating. I still have not seen a single other hand from any of her other 3 appearances which indicate she knew she was ahead or behind. Even on the Jd8d hand where she tanked a long time on the river with jack high (and even used a time chip) -- the one where she was seen "vibrating" -- note that she called the turn when drawing dead. That isn't the play of a cheater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    It disappoints me how many experienced players are simply dismissing the fact that Garrett took that money from her. Even if Garrett was 100% sure she cheated, you simply don't do that. That's really awful, and it establishes a terrible precedent. The fact that a muscular, intimidating looking guy did it to a woman is even worse (and I'm not one who usually brings gender into it). Even if you are on the side that Robbi cheated, Garrett taking the money was still awful.

    I agree with you that she sucks at poker, and is obnoxiously arrogant about her game. I think that's what tilted Garrett so much. He felt like he was being cheated AND talked down to. I understand why this enraged him, but when you're a well known pro who is printing money from these streams, you just take it and move on. If he really suspected cheating, he should have asked Hustler to escrow the money pending an investigation.
    He’s not establishing any precedent - he’s jeopardizing his poker reputation and future

    He’s a cautionary tale and a teaching moment.
    Oh, I know he isn't. And yes, he's very much harming his own rep with his actions, I agree.

    However, I just don't like how a large part of the community is accepting that it's okay to demand your money back in the hallway if you think you got cheated. There should be mass outrage about this part, and then a separate discussion should be taking place whether or not there really was cheating at all.

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    There is nothing wrong for him take the money she offer the money to him I AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE MONEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    He’s not establishing any precedent - he’s jeopardizing his poker reputation and future

    He’s a cautionary tale and a teaching moment.
    Oh, I know he isn't. And yes, he's very much harming his own rep with his actions, I agree.

    However, I just don't like how a large part of the community is accepting that it's okay to demand your money back in the hallway if you think you got cheated. There should be mass outrage about this part, and then a separate discussion should be taking place whether or not there really was cheating at all.

    This is the problem I have

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    "rectangular bulge" in her leggings which wasn't there before. The anon theorizes that she was worried the jacket would be

    The rectangular bulge looks a lot like the battery compartment for those clip on mics https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samson-...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I feel the community is being collectively stupid om this one, save for a small percentage of people.

    Contrast this with the way the community handled the AP/UB, Full Tilt, and Postle situations, where I was impressed how smart and well-reasoned most people were.

    This whole thing is an embarrassment. So many guesses and speculation being stated as fact. I'm still open to the idea that cheating took place in that hand, and am not entirely in the "she didn't cheat" camp, but the evidence I've seen is what I'd consider of the "weak circumstantial" variety.

    And some of the people on her side seem to be there for the wrong reasons. I'm seeing a lot of nonsense like, "Garrett just couldn't take being beaten by a girl", which isn't likely to be the case at all. Garrett has lost big pots to girls before on the stream, and didn't make a scene. The only place her gender comes into it is from the hallway confrontation where he asked for the money back, but as I said, that part isn't even getting enough attention.

    I was agreeing with you until Doug and you showed us here about this "bulge" in her pants. Something was put in there in the middle of this stream and that to me is suspicious. Plus if you watch her on earlier streams she takes little time to make her decisions. On the latest stream she took a ridiculous amount of time. That makes me believe she was waiting for a vibration or some indication somewhere that she had the best hand or not.

    I'm leaning more towards she cheated.

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    Glamorous poker player blames SEXISM of 'bullying' rival for bizarre behavior that's seen her accused of cheating her way to $269,000 win at Vegas tournament using vibrating ring

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ting-ring.html

    I've never heard of these bitches before.

    They are NOT professional poker players and they have no business playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars. They shouldn't be playing in $50 tourneys. Whoever is backing them deserves to lose all his money.

    Robbi Jade Lew probably makes her money from her OnlyFans page and by fucking really old men.

    Garrett Adelstein was a contestant on the tv show Survivor. Spoiler alert...He didn't last long which is exactly what his girlfriend always says. He has a future in dating old wealthy men.





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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turdzilla View Post
    Druff, why don't you ask Curtis Houston what he thinks happened?

    Curtis now resides between Los Angeles and Las Vegas, serving as executive producer of LIVE at the BIKE
    Joey had Curtis Houston on during his Day 2 investigation. Curtis mostly talked about many different ways the games could be cheated ect. Without any evidence, like most he couldn’t say one way or another until more comes out on the situation.
    Thanks

    Conspiracy with 2 -3 other players?
    Hacked Shuffle Master?
    Embedded reader?
    Alien intervention?
    Santarina?
    Nobody would run it twice.

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    Forget the woman (I THINK), Ryan Feldman is the boss and he allows the scammers to operate and cheaters follow him

     
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