*** OFFICIAL *** Poker Fraud Alert Radio thread for 07/22/2022 -- $50 FREEROLL -- 8:25pm PDT Start Time

[Dan Druff]

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We have a $50 freeroll tonight -- "Fuck Paypal Again"!


Freeroll info
Tournament Location: NoFraud Online Poker Room
Tournament Date/Time: 07/22/22 at 8:40pm PDT
Tournament Type: NL Holdem
Tournament Buyin: FREE - it doesn't even cost you any play chips!
Tournament Prizes: 1st: $25, 2nd: $15, 3rd: $10. I will send this to you by Zelle, Cash App, bank transfer, bitcoin cash, or "other" methods. PM me after you win to claim your prize!

The following generous donations were received for this freeroll:
Eric Bensamochan $50

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Agenda for today:

- Druff makes abrupt return to Vegas to meet with radio co-hosts

- Panic in Vegas: Rocks thrown through MGM Grand window touches off stampede, trampling, especially at WSOP down the street
-- Interview with Jason Lipiner, who was among the injured during the panic

- WSOP Week 8 topics:
-- Norwegian Espen Jorstad wins Main after opponent does two epic tanks on final hands
-- Scotter Clark, who was both a player and a hired character actor for WSOP, subject to odd ban/trespass due to previously allowed toy guns
-- Possible interview with Scotter Clark
-- Now that it's all over, what was Druff's impression of the first year of the Bally's/Paris WSOP?

- Mason Malmuth has odd complaint about Chris "Fox" Wallace's new book, and a funny story about Mason & Druff from April 2022 also gets revealed

- Interview with Rich Lehman of Pop's Poker in Virginia about what is happening to poker in that state

- Gutted? Adele taking a second shot at a 2022 Caesars residency in the fall

- "Professional poker player" mom buys fentanyl, leaves it sitting out in her Orleans room, kid dies after taking it after she doesn't bring him to hospital

- Three Las Vegas casinos to permanently close

- Armored truck burglary in Frazier Park, CA nets possible $100 million score

-- Coronavirus news:
- None this week

- Please suggest other good topics if you don't see them here!

- We take your phone calls at (775) FRAUD-55 or (775) 372-8355

[Dan Druff]

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[Belly Buster]

Slow news week. Only 6 runners this time ...

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[BCR]

Listened to your interview about poker in VA.

I heard you wonder how people bet on historical horse races. This was a pretty big charitable scam for decades before casinos were widespread in areas with no legal gambling.

Virginia sounds like they have some slot machine that correlates with historical horse racing. I have no idea how that exactly works.

Back in the 80s and 90s in the Midwest, pre-casinos, you could only have gambling in most states if you were attached to a charitable organization. We had illegal gambling halls everywhere, but for the upstanding people, that’s the only place they could gamble legally.

Outside bingo, what was most prevalent was church festivals in the summer providing blackjack tents that were jammed. They were unbeatable games of course. All ties lost. Dealers hit soft 17s. You couldn’t double.

They paid double on blackjack, but that was the only element better. Not nearly enough to offset losing every push. Those festivals ran usually Thursday-Sunday. The limits were like $5-$20.

The other gambling outlet was events that were called Night at the Races. At that time, they’d have a movie of a horse race set up on a reel and projector and people would pick a number. This was low tech, so there weren’t odds or anything. It was basically you could buy tickets for $5 each and there would be a set payout if your horse won for every ticket you had. Like I’ve got 5 $5 tickets on the 4 horse and if it wins it would pay $25 for each ticket or whatever. Like all charitable gaming, it was completely unbeatable entertainment for people who just wanted a night out. You had no idea who was the favorite or anything else as the movie reel was from some race ten years earlier. These were usually one night events for the fire department, or FOP, or a school band parents night or little league.

I’m sure If Virginia has slots hooked up to old races, its likely way more high tech, but the same concept where you’re betting on some race that occurred years ago.

The funniest part of charitable gaming back then is that it was always run by the criminal element. All vending companies were owned by gangsters.

So it was some mobster who owned vending machines, was a bookie, sold bingo supplies and the little pull off tickets where 3 cherries would pay $20 that they sold all night at bingo and charitable events, and also rented craps and blackjack tables for bachelor parties and events like that.

Some Catholic Church didn’t have people who knew how to deal 40 tables of blackjack. So what you had was these vending companies would pay St. Whatever a flat fee of $20k or whatever for a 4 night festival, and they’d get to run the gambling tents against rubes for 4 nights with horrible rules. These ran every weekend all summer. For the churches, it was a risk free $20 k or whatever price they negotiated.

For the vending companies, kind of like being the banker at some Indian casino in Indio back in 1990, except with a bigger house edge.

They’d run the bingo that ran seven nights a week somewhere. They’d also pay a flat fee to whatever organization, and run those Night at the Races events that were based on historical racing.

So charitable gaming was basically the church, firemen, FOP, and little league parents taking a flat fee payoff from some mobster for the right to roll their parishioners with some huge house edge gambling games and make them feel like they’re going to heaven or supporting the community when they dropped $500. I had friends moms who would get utilities shut off because they’d play bingo six nights a week. The Catholic Church created more problem gamblers than anything else back then.

Dudes made millions and would occasionally kill each other for control of that charitable gaming racket. One vending company might have five festivals going on within an hour of each other at the various Catholic churches. The house edge would make Caesars blush and feel it was predatory.

[Sandwich]

The Virginia charity poker segment was very interesting. As a Virginia resident and poker enthusiast, I’d love to see poker flourish here, especially at a local level before the big casinos come in. I had very little idea beyond random headlines of what’s been going on in the “charitable gaming” space over the last couple of years.
I get that these poker halls were trying to follow the letter of the sometimes ridiculously-worded statute and regulations, and I applaud the creativity. I wonder if your guest could help clarify how these “Live Action Tournaments” worked?

Here is what I’ve been able to gather…
You get a (free?) membership card to the poker club and pay $105 to enter a game. ($5 fee and $100 in chips?). You can then buy more chips (up to 300 for a 1-2 game, up to 500 for a 1-3 game, and up to 1000 for a 2-5 game). You clock in at your table and are eligible to win a whopping maximum of $25 in credits towards chicken fingers, pepsi max and future $5 buyins if you are one of the top 20% of players that play the longest that day. But other than that, it plays like a cash game(?). Meanwhile you can always top off your stack at any time to guard against busting out. But if you do bust out you can pay another $105 and enter “game #2” (and so on and so on).

So there are no escalating blinds? The only “tournament” element to this is that they keep track of your time at the table and reward you for being in the top 20% of all players in time played. Otherwise, the chips you win cash-game style are yours to cash out at the cage after your session? (if true, this was the biggest misunderstanding I had and I really regret not visiting one of these places when they were open!)

With 2.5% of profits going to the charities and no more than 50% of the gross receipts going to expenses, how did these places generate revenue beyond food, soda and the $5 per player entry fee per game?

Was rake taken each hand? (how much?)

Did players tip the dealers from their “tournament chips” after winning a pot?

I’m all for legal local poker in Virginia. Sure beats driving to Harrah’s Cherokee or MGM National Harbor.

[FRANKRIZZO]

Slow news week. Only 6 runners this time ...

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Smallest field I have seen since I was a member of this site. Helped that it was not notified until last second.