quick question about embassies in the Middle East

[shortbuspoker]

In your opinion, at what point should the Marines guarding a US embassy open fire on people storming it? I'm not aiming for this to get political, but if you were in charge at an embassy, would a group of militants or hooligans (if that be the case) be able to burn the American flag and raise an Al Qaeda flag? Do you wait until they are firing rockets like the Libyans did or do you mow them down as they top the wall?

I will go ahead and throw it out there that as a gun carrying redneck, I would have let the Marines kill every single person that came over that wall and stack them 6 high.

[son of lockman]

As a former Marine I can't understand it myself...Even if outnumbered I still would of been firing with my M-14...What's the point of having a Marine guard if not used in that situation?...

[Deal]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

[shortbuspoker]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

You're looking at this from a geo-political point of view. This was not about oil and the question isn't. This is about your personal opinion about how far things would need to go before you would retaliate with force.

Let me rephrase it this way. If our embassy in France is being overrun and Americans are being endangered,harmed, or killed how long do you let it go on before you give the military that is there to guard the diplomats authority to start killing those that are encroaching? At the end of the day, an embassy is sovereign soil to the country that occupies it and thus should be defended as such imo.

I will also give credit to the Libyan defense forces for batting the militants that attacked the embassy there. I have not seen any numbers, but I am sure that they probably had casualties if not fatalities among their troops that were fighting.

[GrenadaRoger]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

It ain't their oil, they are just on top of it...we should drill sideways and pump it out from under them...and while we are at it, thermo-nuke their desert into a lake of radioactive glass.

America, Fuck Yeah!!!

[sonatine]

The problem was actually a failure in intelligence in Libya, not security per se.

The embassy staff and a minimal security force had fallen back to what was supposedly a secret refuge location only to get ambushed there. Once the home made bombs started coming over the fence, the local security forces bounced (who can blame them).

The real news here is that this happened so soon after the Egypt/Iran intelligence summit; Ansar al-Sharia in Libya wouldnt have access to intel like the embassy safe house. Egypt and Iran certainly could...

[GAMBLE-BOT]

I agree with Sonatine as usual. There were multiple embassies attacked and I understand the main American Libyan embassy is in Tripoli.

However my understanding is that the few marines there retreated with essential staff into a safe location within the compound. They do not have a plan to defend the "walls" they have a plan to defend the actual embassy inside. It is high security and was not breached. It was not ransacked from what I understand. I also understand the ambassador was one of three killed out of the dozens of Americans because he actually drove there to diffuse the situation. He was pleading for the lives of other employees and put himself in harms way. I am also told that he was killed acdcidentally. Suffocated and that the leaders of the coordinated mob attack did NOT want him killed. It will not end up good for those guys.

I have no way to fact check these assertions. I do know that it was reported he was suffocated so maybe some of this is true.

To answer your question: The marines are there to guard the embassy staff and did so. The ones killed put themselves in imminent danger. No marine is going to allow attacks on civilians within the compound. That did not happen (i think) so your question doesn't seem to be jive with the facts of the case. There are many layers or "walls" of security but the bottom line is that no ragheads reached air conditioning and if they did the first few dozen would be dead.

Again I am not sure I am correct. My source is semi-reliable and there is confusion amongst the multiple attacks but from what I understand the ambassador was not there in that city during the initial attack and that he drove there after things had "calmed down" or appeared a little bit safe. If this story is true, he is a hero.

[WillieMcFML]

I agree with Sonatine as usual. There were multiple embassies attacked and I understand the main American Libyan embassy is in Tripoli.

However my understanding is that the few marines there retreated with essential staff into a safe location within the compound. They do not have a plan to defend the "walls" they have a plan to defend the actual embassy inside. It is high security and was not breached. It was not ransacked from what I understand. I also understand the ambassador was one of three killed out of the dozens of Americans because he actually drove there to diffuse the situation. He was pleading for the lives of other employees and put himself in harms way. I am also told that he was killed acdcidentally. Suffocated and that the leaders of the coordinated mob attack did NOT want him killed. It will not end up good for those guys.

I have no way to fact check these assertions. I do know that it was reported he was suffocated so maybe some of this is true.

To answer your question: The marines are there to guard the embassy staff and did so. The ones killed put themselves in imminent danger. No marine is going to allow attacks on civilians within the compound. That did not happen (i think) so your question doesn't seem to be jive with the facts of the case. There are many layers or "walls" of security but the bottom line is that no ragheads reached air conditioning and if they did the first few dozen would be dead.

Again I am not sure I am correct. My source is semi-reliable and there is confusion amongst the multiple attacks but from what I understand the ambassador was not there in that city during the initial attack and that he drove there after things had "calmed down" or appeared a little bit safe. If this story is true, he is a hero.

no one gives a fuck about your "source" (fox news)

what kind of trim have you been getting lately gamble?

don't bother hitting reply without pics

[sonatine]

i heard similar things re: suffocating, etc, and hearing that he was collateral damage makes a lot of sense.

[GAMBLE-BOT]

OK so I'm wrong. Apparently the marines in the embassy died fighting. They were all shot to death. That's pretty much all you can do I die squeezing off some rounds at an angry mob.

[GAMBLE-BOT]

A Libyan doctor who treated Stevens said he died of severe asphyxiation, apparently from smoke. In a sign of the chaos of during the attack, Stevens was brought alone by Libyans to the Benghazi Medical Center with no other Americans, and no one at the facility knew who he was, the doctor, Ziad Abu Zeid, told The Associated Press.

Stevens was practically dead when he arrived close to 1 a.m. on Wednesday, but "we tried to revive him for an hour and a half but with no success," Abu Zeid said. The ambassador had bleeding in his stomach because of the asphyxiation but no other injuries, he said.

He died of smoke inhalation. That shit crazy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...-suspect-named

[DirtyB]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

Who are you talking to? Virtually all of Libya's oil goes to Europe- mostly to France and Italy.

[ftpjesus]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

I'd love for us to do that but the n-word in Chief seems to prefer us being a consumer of foreign oil instead of drilling and using our own resources. He said so while in Brazil he looked forward to being their biggest customer. Fuck we could have even had Canadian Oil and the fucking moron shit on that as well. Meanwhile he burns 1/2 billon in USD on a shitty Solar Panel company that had connections to some donors of his. I just find it ironic people havent put 2 and 2 together to figure out that higher energy prices hit us at multiple levels not just at the gas tank but in price of electricity, heating oil or NG for those that use it for heat, groceries (due to increase in fuel prices it increases end consumer prices), pretty much every fucking thing you buy. And now with that idiot Berhnake back running the printing press the USD takes a bigger fucking hit in value and takes a shit dump causing prices to rise further. Expect $4+ gas by the end of the month everywhere and probably closing in on $5 in higher locales like LA and such. How's that fucking Hope and Change going for ya?? I personally love paying $100+ a month in an apt 1/3 the size of the townhouse wife and I lived in and were paying only 20-30 more on avg. Somebody needs to send that idiot Obama a book from Basic College Freshman ECON 101 (and not a Kensian one either!!) that when you raise supply prices come down the prices go up because we are beholden to a bunch of insane countries for oil (or leftwing Socialists who share Obamas political goals like Chavez).

BTW I just love the fact the fucking Commies from China are drilling what is likely OUR OIL out of the waters 60mi from Cuba.. Yep.. I hope the fuckers at least give us a discount on the debt they bought up since they are getting our oil for free due to the tree huggers being stuck to Obamas nutsack.

[ftpjesus]

OK so I'm wrong. Apparently the marines in the embassy died fighting. They were all shot to death. That's pretty much all you can do I die squeezing off some rounds at an angry mob.

It was reported at least in Egypt the Marines weren't even allowed to have "live" ammo in their rifles. Unsure if that means rubber bullets or basically carrying around 20lb clubs essentially.. Whether this was also true in Libya has yet to be confirmed or denied. If so, then whoever gave those orders should be immediately fired, and recalled to the US, and if it came from Hillary or the White House it just more so proves the contempt for our military, or worse the spineless apologetic bullshit thats oozed from the White House. Obama spends more time campaigning and apologizing to everybody that we now come off looking like pussies. And to boot, we wont talk about how he's basically fucked over the Jews, and hung them out to dry over the Iranian Nuclear Arms issue. One commentator said whats going on right now is sadly very reminiscent of the appeasement that went on in the 20s and 30s which ultimately led to WWII. Hell the fucking Administration cant even decide who the fuck are our allies and who arent anymore apparently...

[Crowe Diddly]

GTFO of the middle east. It's not your oil. Quit playing Druff and trying to control everything.

I'd love for us to do that but the n-word in Chief seems to prefer us being a consumer of foreign oil instead of drilling and using our own resources. He said so while in Brazil he looked forward to being their biggest customer. Fuck we could have even had Canadian Oil and the fucking moron shit on that as well. Meanwhile he burns 1/2 billon in USD on a shitty Solar Panel company that had connections to some donors of his. I just find it ironic people havent put 2 and 2 together to figure out that higher energy prices hit us at multiple levels not just at the gas tank but in price of electricity, heating oil or NG for those that use it for heat, groceries (due to increase in fuel prices it increases end consumer prices), pretty much every fucking thing you buy. And now with that idiot Berhnake back running the printing press the USD takes a bigger fucking hit in value and takes a shit dump causing prices to rise further. Expect $4+ gas by the end of the month everywhere and probably closing in on $5 in higher locales like LA and such. How's that fucking Hope and Change going for ya?? I personally love paying $100+ a month in an apt 1/3 the size of the townhouse wife and I lived in and were paying only 20-30 more on avg. Somebody needs to send that idiot Obama a book from Basic College Freshman ECON 101 (and not a Kensian one either!!) that when you raise supply prices come down the prices go up because we are beholden to a bunch of insane countries for oil (or leftwing Socialists who share Obamas political goals like Chavez).

BTW I just love the fact the fucking Commies from China are drilling what is likely OUR OIL out of the waters 60mi from Cuba.. Yep.. I hope the fuckers at least give us a discount on the debt they bought up since they are getting our oil for free due to the tree huggers being stuck to Obamas nutsack.

Do you even bother to look this shit up before you spout off on it, or do you just work by imagination? Were you somehow not aware that oil imports have steadily gown down since the "HNIC" took office? First 4 results I got when I googled it, your results may vary:
www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm
https://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/14571...lling-ramps-up
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar...-2003-20120311
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=32&t=6

Cliff notes:
* 2008 foreign oil was 57% of our total use.
* 2011 foreign oil was 45% of our total use.

[ftpjesus]

I'd love for us to do that but the n-word in Chief seems to prefer us being a consumer of foreign oil instead of drilling and using our own resources. He said so while in Brazil he looked forward to being their biggest customer. Fuck we could have even had Canadian Oil and the fucking moron shit on that as well. Meanwhile he burns 1/2 billon in USD on a shitty Solar Panel company that had connections to some donors of his. I just find it ironic people havent put 2 and 2 together to figure out that higher energy prices hit us at multiple levels not just at the gas tank but in price of electricity, heating oil or NG for those that use it for heat, groceries (due to increase in fuel prices it increases end consumer prices), pretty much every fucking thing you buy. And now with that idiot Berhnake back running the printing press the USD takes a bigger fucking hit in value and takes a shit dump causing prices to rise further. Expect $4+ gas by the end of the month everywhere and probably closing in on $5 in higher locales like LA and such. How's that fucking Hope and Change going for ya?? I personally love paying $100+ a month in an apt 1/3 the size of the townhouse wife and I lived in and were paying only 20-30 more on avg. Somebody needs to send that idiot Obama a book from Basic College Freshman ECON 101 (and not a Kensian one either!!) that when you raise supply prices come down the prices go up because we are beholden to a bunch of insane countries for oil (or leftwing Socialists who share Obamas political goals like Chavez).

BTW I just love the fact the fucking Commies from China are drilling what is likely OUR OIL out of the waters 60mi from Cuba.. Yep.. I hope the fuckers at least give us a discount on the debt they bought up since they are getting our oil for free due to the tree huggers being stuck to Obamas nutsack.

Do you even bother to look this shit up before you spout off on it, or do you just work by memory? Were you somehow not aware that oil imports have steadily gown down since the "HNIC" took office? First 4 results I got when I googled it, your results may vary:
www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm
https://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/14571...lling-ramps-up
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar...-2003-20120311
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=32&t=6

Cliff notes:2008 foreign oil was 57% of our total use.
2011 foreign oil was 45% of our total use.

Lets see EIA Part of the Administration.. and NPR and the LA TIMES are nothing but Left wing Puppets come on.. I prefer to keep my eyes open and not just be a narrowminded lemming propaganda kool-aid drinker.. T Boone Pickens who actually is out of the oil business takes issue with your numbers. August 2012 56% of oil was imported meaning basically ZERO change to our import status of OIL. http://www.pickensplan.com/oilimports/ If you note also on the front page it states we hit 58% in May of this year as well so NO our imports have not gone down contrary to what the puppet media and Obama Admin claim

[shortbuspoker]

I see varying points from different people. I will stay with my original thought of shooting them as they breach the wall rather than retreating to the "safe house" in the middle of the compound. If you not going to protect the wall then why build the wall?

[ftpjesus]

I see varying points from different people. I will stay with my original thought of shooting them as they breach the wall rather than retreating to the "safe house" in the middle of the compound. If you not going to protect the wall then why build the wall?

Would be nice but apparently the Administration prefers to neuter our military slowly. The denying them live ammo in Egypt isnt a rumor its fact, one can only wonder if the Marine's were left to go running for ammo to try and defend themselves and others after it was already too late.

[DirtyB]

I see varying points from different people. I will stay with my original thought of shooting them as they breach the wall rather than retreating to the "safe house" in the middle of the compound. If you not going to protect the wall then why build the wall?

The exterior wall makes it more difficult to move a large number of people into the compound quicky- buying time for people to get to the secure area.

[DirtyB]

I'd love for us to do that but the n-word in Chief seems to prefer us being a consumer of foreign oil instead of drilling and using our own resources. He said so while in Brazil he looked forward to being their biggest customer. Fuck we could have even had Canadian Oil and the fucking moron shit on that as well. Meanwhile he burns 1/2 billon in USD on a shitty Solar Panel company that had connections to some donors of his. I just find it ironic people havent put 2 and 2 together to figure out that higher energy prices hit us at multiple levels not just at the gas tank but in price of electricity, heating oil or NG for those that use it for heat, groceries (due to increase in fuel prices it increases end consumer prices), pretty much every fucking thing you buy. And now with that idiot Berhnake back running the printing press the USD takes a bigger fucking hit in value and takes a shit dump causing prices to rise further. Expect $4+ gas by the end of the month everywhere and probably closing in on $5 in higher locales like LA and such. How's that fucking Hope and Change going for ya?? I personally love paying $100+ a month in an apt 1/3 the size of the townhouse wife and I lived in and were paying only 20-30 more on avg. Somebody needs to send that idiot Obama a book from Basic College Freshman ECON 101 (and not a Kensian one either!!) that when you raise supply prices come down the prices go up because we are beholden to a bunch of insane countries for oil (or leftwing Socialists who share Obamas political goals like Chavez).

BTW I just love the fact the fucking Commies from China are drilling what is likely OUR OIL out of the waters 60mi from Cuba.. Yep.. I hope the fuckers at least give us a discount on the debt they bought up since they are getting our oil for free due to the tree huggers being stuck to Obamas nutsack.

Do you even bother to look this shit up before you spout off on it, or do you just work by imagination? Were you somehow not aware that oil imports have steadily gown down since the "HNIC" took office? First 4 results I got when I googled it, your results may vary:
www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/foreign_oil_dependence.cfm
https://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/14571...lling-ramps-up
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar...-2003-20120311
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=32&t=6

Cliff notes:
* 2008 foreign oil was 57% of our total use.
* 2011 foreign oil was 45% of our total use.

I read your post and thought about replying "Your facts will have no effect on a retard of this caliber."

His next post proved that.