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    Disney's special privileges in Florida -- should they be removed?

    In 1999, I dated a girl from Anaheim, which you probably know as the home of both Disneyland and the Angels. At one point, I told her, "The big problem with Anaheim is that the city is Disney's bitch. When Disney says 'jump', Anaheim asks how high?" Even though she was a huge fan of Orange County and hated LA (where I was from), she actually agreed with me on this point. Indeed, Disney had incredible control over the city of Anaheim.

    However, I never gave much thought to Disney's relationship on the other coast. Turned out it was even worse, as most of us are just learning about this past week.

    It all started with Florida Governor Desantis' "Parental Rights in Education" bill. This has been derided by the left and mainstream media as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, but that isn't accurate.

    The bill only focuses on kindergarten through third grade. It prohibits discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels, and also prohibits "non-age-appropriate" discussions of those concepts at other grade levels. It does NOT ban the word "gay" from schools, nor does it prevent the discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity from the fourth grade or later.

    A good and fair breakdown of the bill is here: https://askflagler.com/whats-really-...ducation-bill/



    Disney, which has become increasingly woke over time, was trying to stay out of this matter, despite their obviously heavy presence in Florida. However, finally their CEO was under enough pressure from woke employees (especially some very vocal ones in California), and Disney came out in public opposition to the bill.

    This, in turn, got Desantis angry. He felt that a huge, influential corporation was trying to kick him around and spread lies about his bill. Desantis decided to strike back, and said that Disney's "special status" in Florida needed to be "looked into".

    Special status? Huh?

    And that's when we learned about Disney's special status in Florida, which has existed for a long time.

    Apparently Disney was granted the rights in 1967 to operate as its own government entity in and near Disney World, allowing it to be free of any city or county laws. This also gave them the right to operate its own state-credentialed police force, run their own water and power utilities, and make their own laws within their territory. In short, Disney is the only corporation in the United States which was given the ability to act as its own incorporated city, which is pretty appalling.

    A corporation acting as its own government entity is a horrible idea. Government exists as a check against the power of corporations. Imagine if you have an issue with a Disneyland employee, and the police are called. Would you want the police to be literally controlled by Disney? This is just one of many potential probelms which can come up.

    This special status should be removed ASAP. Most people had no idea such a status existed, except perhaps for some locals from the area.

    However, I will say that it isn't a good look for Desantis using this particular moment to attempt to remove it. It has the appearance that he's punishing Disney for expressing a negative opinion of one of his bills, and indeed that's mostly what is happening here. In general, government officials should never punish individuals or corporations for crticizing them.

    At the same time, I can understand why Desantis was so pissed off. It's one thing if the mainstream media or left-wing politicians mislead people about his Parents Rights bill, but it's another if the biggest corporation in his state is also doing it. He probably thought to himself, "If they're going to play dirty and fuck with me in order to appease the wokes in their company, I'm going to play dirty right back and attempt to kill that special status they really shouldn't have in my state, but I've looked the other way until now."

    Not the greatest look for either side, to be honest, but regardless, this special status simply shouldn't exist.

     
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    anything they have in place to help Florida's economy should stay in place, but they should keep their mouth shut as a company about any laws going forward

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    On a side note, I always felt that Disneyland/Disneyworld were a bit weird, and kind of a hybrid between a cult and a dictatorship.

    Employees are referred to as "cast members", and the general company philosophy treats them not as human beings, but simply as moving parts to serve the vision of the experience the park is supposed to be.

    Everything is tightly controlled and rigid. In some ways this is good for the customer, but I always felt it would be a nightmare to work there.

    I did get a bit of visibility into what happens when an employee goes off script, so to speak.

    My last visit to Disneyland was in 2015, when Ben was 5. We were just about to go back in early 2020 when COVID hit, so we still haven't been back.

    Anyway, we went to some semi-fast-food type outlet, stood in a fairly long line, and had them do a few small modificaitons to Ben's mom's sandwich. Mine was actually standard, as was Ben's. They called our number, and I noticed Ben's mom's food was miising. They said that hers was a "custom order" and would take a few extra minutes. Okay, no problem. I sat back down, and ten minutes passed. Nothing. I went back over there and asked when it was coming. I was told they were "very busy" and it would be out shortly. I sat back down. Ten more minutes passed. Ben and I were finished eating, and Ben's mom hadn't even gotten her food yet!

    I went back up there and told the same employee that it had been 20 minutes, and that we really needed the sandwich now. She finally lost her patience with me. "It hasn't been 20 minutes!", she snapped. I showed her the receipt that it had actually been almost 30 minutes since we orderd, and told her that indeed it had been about 20 since we got the first two items. "Well, what do expect? You change something around, you have to wait. We're super busy here. We've got a process. We can't just stop everything to make her sandwich. When we get a chance, we'll get it done, but you need to be patient, and stop running up here every few minutes. Now sit back down and we'll call you when it's ready!"

    I was shocked at how this woman had just talked to me, but I decided to stay quiet until we actually received the food. Another 5 minutes passed, and finally the sandwich was ready.

    At that point, I asked for a manager. The woman all of a sudden looked nervous -- much moreso than when I've asked for managers in other places after a difficult exchange with an employee. She sat silent, and I asked again, "Can I speak to the manager?"

    She quietly said, "Um, yes, I'll have one come out."

    About 5 minutes later, the manager came out. She was a middle-aged woman, dressed differently than the regular employees there. I told her what occurred. She profusely apologized, and seemed most concerned about the yelling and how I was commanded to "sit back down" and to "stop running up" to ask about my food. I was told that it was their responsibility to make custom sandwiches just as quickly as the standard ones, and the only short delay should be due to the fact that they're not pre-made. I was told that receiving the food 35 minutes after ordering was "not even remotely close" to what they should have delivered.

    I was then handed three "line passes". I asked what these were. I was told they enabled me to go to the very front of any line at the park!




    This was a Friday. During the day it wasn't that crowded, but right around the time we were eating, the park was crowding up, filling with local season passholders who were coming after work.

    By about 6pm, the park was fucking jammed and every ride/attraction had long lines. We used the three passes to jump lines which looked about 2 hours each. Very nice!


    In any case, I have to imagine that this chick at the food place got canned. More importantly, I learned that if something like this ever happens at Disneyland, you should speak up, because you'll get those line passes, which are extremely valuable, and to my knowledge can't be bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
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    anything they have in place to help Florida's economy should stay in place, but they should keep their mouth shut as a company about any laws going forward
    I'm surprised you think the special status should stay in place.

    I'm not sure why this was done in 1967, but I can't see how this is necessary 55 years later. Even though Disney has a lot of control over Anaheim, they do NOT have such status there, and everything functions just fine (except the sandwich place when you make a custom order, apparently).

    I'm guessing that some corrupt shit happened back then, where campaign donations and/or bribes were made, and this special rule was passed. Obviously it's great for Disney itself, but a horrible and un-American idea. Corporations and government should always be separate.

    This has long been my complaint about Indian casinos (there is no jurisdiction over them, and they constantly run roughshod over the rights of guests), but that's a whole different matter which is a bit more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    No

    anything they have in place to help Florida's economy should stay in place, but they should keep their mouth shut as a company about any laws going forward
    I'm surprised you think the special status should stay in place.

    I'm not sure why this was done in 1967, but I can't see how this is necessary 55 years later. Even though Disney has a lot of control over Anaheim, they do NOT have such status there, and everything functions just fine (except the sandwich place when you make a custom order, apparently).

    I'm guessing that some corrupt shit happened back then, where campaign donations and/or bribes were made, and this special rule was passed. Obviously it's great for Disney itself, but a horrible and un-American idea. Corporations and government should always be separate.

    This has long been my complaint about Indian casinos (there is no jurisdiction over them, and they constantly run roughshod over the rights of guests), but that's a whole different matter which is a bit more complicated.
    I can agree with this, it's probably beneficial to Disney more now than Florida but an agreement is an agreement.

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    Love Disneyland.

    Hate Disneyworld.

    Now I don’t know if Disneyland has changed it’s fast pass system….but Disney Worlds is terrible, it’s a huge bribe to get you to stay at a Disney property….fortunately My wife has health issues from standing in line so we got a medical fast pass which lets you fast pass any ride in the park. Cuts standing in line quite a bit but some rides still have super long waits eg aerosmith rocking rollercoaster…oof. To be honest anyone can get one since they legally cannot ask you about your health issue, DAS pass FTW.

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    DeSantis is already a hero to many for his covid handling and now Disney is just making him look even better. I don't think Desantis threatening their status reflects badly on him. He is rightfully standing up for the people of Florida while Disney is sticking their corporate nose where it doesn't belong.

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    Disney sought to escape California and relocated 2000 jobs to Florida last year. They incurred a huge relocation expense but it was well worth it as you can imagine.

    DeSantis is prolly just trying to get those ex-Californian minds right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In 1999, I dated a girl from Anaheim, which you probably know as the home of both Disneyland and the Angels. At one point, I told her, "The big problem with Anaheim is that the city is Disney's bitch. When Disney says 'jump', Anaheim asks how high?" Even though she was a huge fan of Orange County and hated LA (where I was from), she actually agreed with me on this point. Indeed, Disney had incredible control over the city of Anaheim.

    However, I never gave much thought to Disney's relationship on the other coast. Turned out it was even worse, as most of us are just learning about this past week.

    It all started with Florida Governor Desantis' "Parental Rights in Education" bill. This has been derided by the left and mainstream media as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, but that isn't accurate.

    The bill only focuses on kindergarten through third grade. It prohibits discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels, and also prohibits "non-age-appropriate" discussions of those concepts at other grade levels. It does NOT ban the word "gay" from schools, nor does it prevent the discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity from the fourth grade or later.

    A good and fair breakdown of the bill is here: https://askflagler.com/whats-really-...ducation-bill/



    Disney, which has become increasingly woke over time, was trying to stay out of this matter, despite their obviously heavy presence in Florida. However, finally their CEO was under enough pressure from woke employees (especially some very vocal ones in California), and Disney came out in public opposition to the bill.

    This, in turn, got Desantis angry. He felt that a huge, influential corporation was trying to kick him around and spread lies about his bill. Desantis decided to strike back, and said that Disney's "special status" in Florida needed to be "looked into".

    Special status? Huh?

    And that's when we learned about Disney's special status in Florida, which has existed for a long time.

    Apparently Disney was granted the rights in 1967 to operate as its own government entity in and near Disney World, allowing it to be free of any city or county laws. This also gave them the right to operate its own state-credentialed police force, run their own water and power utilities, and make their own laws within their territory. In short, Disney is the only corporation in the United States which was given the ability to act as its own incorporated city, which is pretty appalling.

    A corporation acting as its own government entity is a horrible idea. Government exists as a check against the power of corporations. Imagine if you have an issue with a Disneyland employee, and the police are called. Would you want the police to be literally controlled by Disney? This is just one of many potential probelms which can come up.

    This special status should be removed ASAP. Most people had no idea such a status existed, except perhaps for some locals from the area.

    However, I will say that it isn't a good look for Desantis using this particular moment to attempt to remove it. It has the appearance that he's punishing Disney for expressing a negative opinion of one of his bills, and indeed that's mostly what is happening here. In general, government officials should never punish individuals or corporations for crticizing them.

    At the same time, I can understand why Desantis was so pissed off. It's one thing if the mainstream media or left-wing politicians mislead people about his Parents Rights bill, but it's another if the biggest corporation in his state is also doing it. He probably thought to himself, "If they're going to play dirty and fuck with me in order to appease the wokes in their company, I'm going to play dirty right back and attempt to kill that special status they really shouldn't have in my state, but I've looked the other way until now."

    Not the greatest look for either side, to be honest, but regardless, this special status simply shouldn't exist.
    On the very subject of the corporate safety entity there’s been some serious shade being thrown by the Fire/EMS side there regarding unsafe staffing issues and Disney has repeatedly fought back against it. Even though Orange County FL Fire/rescue is backup they feel like they’re having to constantly respond to Disney properties and yet they get almost nothing in return for the money spent covering those responses

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    Disney should be removed period. Walt Disney was a 33rd degree mason and the CIA helped him get the land to build the park through shell companies so they could get it dirt cheap. This is the vehicle that our masters use to brainwash our kids . They built the trust up with the country, remember after the superbowl Phil Simms saying he was going to Disney World, all hyped on up camera for everyone to feel like that was the thing to do?
    Disney owns ABC . Guess who owns Disney ? Black Rock and Vanguard. The #1 and #2 companies in the NYSE.

    If you start researching , one thing that will help is symbolism. They love it and most people see it and never think of what it means. or they assume one meaning when it has 2. here is a quick explanation of how and why the land was bought


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    The clown mayor of NYC has done Floridians a favor by buying billboards down here advising people upset with the bill to move to NY.😂😂

    Can’t make this stuff up. Of course those of us in Florida who support our incredible Governor and the bill welcome the exodus of far left liberals who don’t agree with how Florida is run. Hell I’m sure a collection could be taken up for them to leave. It appears NY has no problems and tax money to waste on this.

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/nyc-m...-to-move-north

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    In 1999, I dated a girl from Anaheim, which you probably know as the home of both Disneyland and the Angels. At one point, I told her, "The big problem with Anaheim is that the city is Disney's bitch. When Disney says 'jump', Anaheim asks how high?" Even though she was a huge fan of Orange County and hated LA (where I was from), she actually agreed with me on this point. Indeed, Disney had incredible control over the city of Anaheim.

    However, I never gave much thought to Disney's relationship on the other coast. Turned out it was even worse, as most of us are just learning about this past week.

    It all started with Florida Governor Desantis' "Parental Rights in Education" bill. This has been derided by the left and mainstream media as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, but that isn't accurate.

    The bill only focuses on kindergarten through third grade. It prohibits discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity at those grade levels, and also prohibits "non-age-appropriate" discussions of those concepts at other grade levels. It does NOT ban the word "gay" from schools, nor does it prevent the discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity from the fourth grade or later.

    A good and fair breakdown of the bill is here: https://askflagler.com/whats-really-...ducation-bill/



    Disney, which has become increasingly woke over time, was trying to stay out of this matter, despite their obviously heavy presence in Florida. However, finally their CEO was under enough pressure from woke employees (especially some very vocal ones in California), and Disney came out in public opposition to the bill.

    This, in turn, got Desantis angry. He felt that a huge, influential corporation was trying to kick him around and spread lies about his bill. Desantis decided to strike back, and said that Disney's "special status" in Florida needed to be "looked into".

    Special status? Huh?

    And that's when we learned about Disney's special status in Florida, which has existed for a long time.

    Apparently Disney was granted the rights in 1967 to operate as its own government entity in and near Disney World, allowing it to be free of any city or county laws. This also gave them the right to operate its own state-credentialed police force, run their own water and power utilities, and make their own laws within their territory. In short, Disney is the only corporation in the United States which was given the ability to act as its own incorporated city, which is pretty appalling.

    A corporation acting as its own government entity is a horrible idea. Government exists as a check against the power of corporations. Imagine if you have an issue with a Disneyland employee, and the police are called. Would you want the police to be literally controlled by Disney? This is just one of many potential probelms which can come up.

    This special status should be removed ASAP. Most people had no idea such a status existed, except perhaps for some locals from the area.

    However, I will say that it isn't a good look for Desantis using this particular moment to attempt to remove it. It has the appearance that he's punishing Disney for expressing a negative opinion of one of his bills, and indeed that's mostly what is happening here. In general, government officials should never punish individuals or corporations for crticizing them.

    At the same time, I can understand why Desantis was so pissed off. It's one thing if the mainstream media or left-wing politicians mislead people about his Parents Rights bill, but it's another if the biggest corporation in his state is also doing it. He probably thought to himself, "If they're going to play dirty and fuck with me in order to appease the wokes in their company, I'm going to play dirty right back and attempt to kill that special status they really shouldn't have in my state, but I've looked the other way until now."

    Not the greatest look for either side, to be honest, but regardless, this special status simply shouldn't exist.
    I think this article is a bit to Partisan, it's not as right v left as the article suggests.
    Fortunately Tucker did an amazing piece on this, amazing!
    It took me forever to find this, I've seen others complain about not being able to find it.
    As much as I hate posting anything that could be construed as pro Desantis.
    This is actually important, it's about your kids.
    I guess exclusively on Rumble.
    https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20...to-respond.htm

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    OMG, you guys are now Pro Putin/Russia/Trump and anti-Disney?
    Someone explain to me how the right aren't just a bunch of sheep, at this point.
    Whatever Tucker says goes.

    He pulls that "I'm just asking questions", then proceeds to brainwash all of you.
    the entire war is being staged, right? Why doesn't he ever ask questions the other way?

    Druff you are the saddest of them all, because you know better, & you will never be accepted by them.
    I said it 5-6 years ago, when are you starting the "Jews for Fascism" club?


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    Fortunately Tucker did an amazing piece on this, amazing!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    when are you starting the "Jews for Fascism" club?
    I think there is one already. It’s called Israel. I still like going to Disneyland btw. Maybe sometime I’ll post the story about how I got busted for smoking hash in the Haunted House when I was 16. Or grad nite on mushrooms. So many memories.
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    when are you starting the "Jews for Fascism" club?
    I think there is one already. It’s called Israel. I still like going to Disneyland, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyG_415 View Post
    when are you starting the "Jews for Fascism" club?
    I think there is one already. It’s called Israel. I still like going to Disneyland btw. Maybe sometime I’ll post the story about how I got busted for smoking hash in the Haunted House when I was 16. Or grad nite on mushrooms. So many memories.
    When I was in my 20s, I had a subscription to the local newspaper, mainly to learn about lol scandals involving the follies of corrupt local government. However, there was a young columnist who I got to enjoy, as he usually wrote about ridiculous situations he encountered in life (or were of his own doing). One of his columns involved him going to the then-new Hustler Casino and playing $3/$6 limit holdem with a motorcycle helmet on. They actually allowed this. When someone asked him, "What kind of bike to your ride?", his answer was, "I don't."

    He wrote a funny one about literally getting trapped at Disneyland during the Main Street Electric Lights Parade. Apparently they made it impassable during the parade to get to the exit, but he wasn't interested in the parade and just wanted to leave. Security there informed him that under no circumstances were they letting him through, and just to "relax and enjoy the parade" for the next 20 minutes. He kept pressing, and they told him he was not allowed to get by it and leave. Probably a violation of law there, but that's what they were telling him. Eventually he snuck by them and got out anyway. The guy was like 30 years old and was appalled that he was being forcefully kept at Disneyland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
    DeSantis is already a hero to many for his covid handling and now Disney is just making him look even better. I don't think Desantis threatening their status reflects badly on him. He is rightfully standing up for the people of Florida while Disney is sticking their corporate nose where it doesn't belong.

    Our leaders are selected not elected and it's pretty clear Desantis is being groomed for a 2024 run.
    There's like a 50% chance Disney is intentionally teeing it up high so Desantis can let it fly, if you know what I mean.

    Dude you have to trust me, Desantis will be America's worst nightmare.
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    What if it's woke Biden v Desantis? We're screwed.

    As a matter of fact, let's all agree to never discuss Desantis from this day forward.
    Discuss Who?

    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Entropy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
    DeSantis is already a hero to many for his covid handling and now Disney is just making him look even better. I don't think Desantis threatening their status reflects badly on him. He is rightfully standing up for the people of Florida while Disney is sticking their corporate nose where it doesn't belong.

    Our leaders are selected not elected and it's pretty clear Desantis is being groomed for a 2024 run.
    There's like a 50% chance Disney is intentionally teeing it up high so Desantis can let it fly, if you know what I mean.

    Dude you have to trust me, Desantis will be America's worst nightmare.
    Never forget.
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    What if it's woke Biden v Desantis? We're screwed.

    As a matter of fact, let's all agree to never discuss Desantis from this day forward.
    Discuss Who?

    Exactly.
    the last time you responded to anything I said you said eat a dick and that you were muting Gordman and me. What's the issue with DeSantis?

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